Originally posted by RobtardSo if someone tells you to think a certain way, you just do it? Do you speak bachi?
Are you referring to George Lucas? Because I'm fairly certain the creator of a character's word counts as "law" for that character.
And GL can laugh in my face all he wants, I have my own mind and I think as I like. Forgive me if that is a bad way to be. Better that than being a programmable droid.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
👆Right over your head? You DO know I wasn't telling you to leave, dont you? Pretty ballsy for someone to tell someone to leave a thread......
Wait a minute........
Keep personal attacks personal. What my post meant is that for that "THANK YOU COME AGAIN" to work, I had to have stated in a previous post that I was leaving. Which I didn't.
It's like you posting a counter to me or AC and anyone of us saying:
"Thanks, don't let the door hit you on your way out."
And yes RJ, I do have balls.
Originally posted by ScytheRoll with it, man. And don't even get me started on personal attacks.
Keep personal attacks personal. What my post meant is that for that "THANK YOU COME AGAIN" to work, I had to have stated in a previous post that I was leaving. Which I didn't.It's like you posting a counter to me or AC and anyone of us saying:
"Thanks, don't let the door hit you on your way out."
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
His word aint law, man. So he created the movies, he didn't create me and would have no impact on how I view them.
His word is law regarding what is and isn't true about his characters and his world, thus, what's connected to them. He has set and defined clear boundaries, however you view what he gives you? That's your call, but it's not up to you to change or modify that.
He has said the two are separate, people closely associated with him have said it's the one, true, standalone canon. They're right, you're, therefore, wrong to disagree.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If that's how you view it, fine.See how that works?
I see that you are continually, in the face of fact, insisting everything is opinion because you won't admit to being wrong about everything. The loosest topic is the part about whether or not he deserves to be mentioned here, which is conclusive and you are ignoring it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You think I am taking my stance just to spite you? Dude.......get over yourself.
Clearly you're trying to be difficult because you know I'm right. Insisting everything is opinion despite me breaking it down and you agreeing to all of it as fact, save for one element.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This section of KMC is fine, at least it was before you showed up.
It's not very specialist or organised is it? Comic Vs; Comics. Star Wars Vs: Star Wars. Games Vs: Games. Movie Vs: Anything you want.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
don't forget your milk money.
I think we've already established I never forget to take what's mine.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI am wrong for having the capability of forming my own views on this? Should I bow down and lick his shoes?
His word is law regarding what is and isn't true about his characters and his world, thus, what's connected to them. He has set and defined clear boundaries, however you view what he gives you? That's your call, but it's not up to you to change or modify that.
He has said the two are separate, people closely associated with him have said it's the one, true, standalone canon. They're right, you're, therefore, wrong to disagree.You just do NOT get it.
I see that you are continually, in the face of fact, insisting everything is opinion because you won't admit to being wrong about everything. The loosest topic is the part about whether or not he deserves to be mentioned here, which is conclusive and you are ignoring it.Everything IS opinion, man. We are human beings who are capable of forming our own opinions and viewpoints about anything we desire.
Clearly you're trying to be difficult because you know I'm right. Insisting everything is opinion despite me breaking it down and you agreeing to all of it as fact, save for one element.And what element would that be, Mr. Watson?
It's not very specialist or organised is it? Comic Vs; comics. Star Wars Vs: Star Wars. Games Vs: Games. Movie Vs: Anything you want.Mhm.....point?
I think we've already established I never forget to take what's mine.If you say so?-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am wrong for having the capability of forming my own views on this? Should I bow down and lick his shoes?You just do NOT get it.
So now, out of frustration, you descent further into ridiculousness.
You are acting as if everything is open for discussion just because. it's not. It's like when Jodie Foster refused to play Clarice Starling in Hannibal because she disagreed that the character would develop that way. Thomas Harris basically said "Well...she would, you're wrong. I made her, I wrote her, I created her. She develops how I say she develops.". It's the same with Lucas, you don't have to like it, but it's not your place to disagree.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Everything IS opinion, man. We are human beings who are capable of forming our own opinions and viewpoints about anything we desire.
Ignoring factual foundation laid by a creator of something, whose word goes, isn't some kind of bold independence. It's ignorance.
So, everything is opinion because we are capable of forming out own opinions, no matter what? You feel you can decide water is a solid? You can't, it's fact. You don't have to like it, you can wish with all of your heart that it was a solid, but it's not. You can wish with all of your heart that your word of Lucas' character is equal to his, but it's not.
Forming our own opinions only works when the subject is subjective. It's not George Lucas' opinion that there is no connection between the E.U. and his world, that they are separate, it's fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And what element would that be, Mr. Watson?
You feel it's subjective as to whether or not N.J.O. Luke belongs here. I think that's pretty obvious, as I stated in my breakdown of specific Vs forums and their purposes.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm.....point?
I break it down in the simplest way possible and you still don't get my point? The point is, this forum is a shambles with its rules if that's the way it goes.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTo me, everything is always open for discussion. There are always questions to be asked.
So now, out of frustration, you descent further into ridiculousness.You are acting as if everything is open for discussion just because. it's not. It's like when Jodie Foster refused to play Clarice Starling in Hannibal because she disagreed that the character would develop that way. Thomas Harris basically said "Well...she would, you're wrong. I made her, I wrote her, I created her. She develops how I say she develops.". It's the same with Lucas, you don't have to like it, but it's not your place to disagree.
Ignoring factual foundation laid by a creator of something, whose word goes, isn't some kind of bold independence. It's ignorance.When did I say my word was equal to his? It's his saga, he can do what he wants with it, just as I can watch it and interpret it and elaborate on it any way I want.So, everything is opinion because we are capable of forming out own opinions, no matter what? You feel you can decide water is a solid? You can't, it's fact. You don't have to like it, you can wish with all of your heart that it was a solid, but it's not. You can wish with all of your heart that your word of Lucas' character is equal to his, but it's not.
Forming our own opinions only works when the subject is subjective. It's not George Lucas' opinion that there is no connection between the E.U. and his world, that they are separate, it's fact.
You feel it's subjective as to whether or not N.J.O. Luke belongs here. I think that's pretty obvious, as I stated in my breakdown of specific Vs forums and their purposes.I think it is up to the thread starter to state conditions, even change them when the thread hits a wall.
I break it down in the simplest way possible and you still don't get my point? The point is, this forum is a shambles with its rules if that's the way it goes.If this section is in shambles, why do you come here? Ever ask yourself that?-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
To me, everything is always open for discussion. There are always questions to be asked.
There's a difference between asking questions and flat out disagreeing with someone's factual word over their own creation.
If I write a story, you do not get any say in whether a certain character development is wrong, would have happened or wouldn't have happened. All you, as the consumer and fan/reader/critic have the right to is an opinion on what is factually there, not the ability to change it or ignore what is there as you see fit.
Lucas has specified the two are not connected, you have said you feel they are. So if his word is fact over his universe/characters, where do you stand? Do you go against that claim?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
When did I say my word was equal to his? It's his saga, he can do what he wants with it, just as I can watch it and interpret it and elaborate on it any way I want.
You can't elaborate on his characters and claim it to be credible. The E.U. is "elaborating" on his characters, that's all it is, a fan-based elaboration. It is not canon nor is it connected to the original, canon universe. You sitting there saying it is, is wrong. You saying "They're the same (The Lukes)", is wrong.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think it is up to the thread starter to state conditions, even change them when the thread hits a wall.
So if someone wanted to start a thread on The Beatles, the could, in your eyes, do it in the comics forum?
No, why? Cos that's not the forum for it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If this section is in shambles, why do you come here? Ever ask yourself that?
Theoretically, is that's the way the forum is GOING. As of right now, it seems that this is the only thread being subjected to the idiocy.
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So if someone tells you to think a certain way, you just do it? Do you speak bachi?And GL can laugh in my face all he wants, I have my own mind and I think as I like. Forgive me if that is a bad way to be. Better that than being a programmable droid.
LoL, that's a completely different situation, numb-nuts. We're talking about a fictional character, it's obvious Lucas gets to dictate what Luke can or couldn't do, since it is his creation. You're arguing that your view is more valid or even equal to his in regards to his creation is ridiculous.
By your skewed rational in regards to a situation like this, you could arbitrarily empower the character to do anything, say move at light speeds or shoot death rays from his eyes and you'd be in the right to do so, since you're supposedly "have my own mind and I think as I like."
It's obvious your fanboyism of Luke has reached dangerous levels.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriIt's more like acknowledging what he says and viewing it in my own way. I know several people who do this, not only with SW, but with many different books/movies.
There's a difference between asking questions and flat out disagreeing with someone's factual word over their own creation.If I write a story, you do not get any say in whether a certain character development is wrong, would have happened or wouldn't have happened. All you, as the consumer and fan/reader/critic have the right to is an opinion on what is factually there, not the ability to change it or ignore what is there as you see fit.
Lucas has specified the two are not connected, you have said you feel they are. So if his word is fact over his universe/characters, where do you stand? Do you go against that claim?
You can't elaborate on his characters and claim it to be credible. The E.U. is "elaborating" on his characters, that's all it is, a fan-based elaboration. It is not canon nor is it connected to the original, canon universe. You sitting there saying it is, is wrong. You saying "They're the same (The Lukes)", is wrong.To me they are the same, I am not twisting your arm trying to get you to agree.
So if someone wanted to start a thread on The Beatles, the could, in your eyes, do it in the comics forum?That is one piss poor analogy, man.No, why? Cos that's not the forum for it.
Theoretically, is that's the way the forum is GOING. As of right now, it seems that this is the only thread being subjected to the idiocy.So why do you come here?-AC
Originally posted by RobtardLucas can dictate what happens in the movies, but he cannot dictate how I view the EU being connected to the movies.
LoL, that's a completely different situation, numb-nuts. We're talking about a fictional character, it's obvious Lucas gets to dictate what Luke can or couldn't do, since it is his creation. You're arguing that your view is more valid or even equal to his in regards to his creation is ridiculous.By your skewed rational in regards to a situation like this, you could arbitrarily empower the character to do anything, say move at light speeds or shoot death rays from his eyes and you'd be in the right to do so, since you're supposedly "have my own mind and I think as I like."
It's obvious your fanboyism of Luke has reached dangerous levels.
More fanboy BS? Almost as bad as calling Neo a God.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's more like acknowledging what he says and viewing it in my own way. I know several people who do this, not only with SW, but with many different books/movies.
I just explained to you why this is incorrect and ignorant.
I asked you a question:
Lucas has specified the two are not connected, you have said you feel they are. So if his word is fact over his universe/characters, where do you stand? Do you go against that claim?
You've said you're not saying he's wrong, and you really cannot disagree with him, but...you have disagreed. So what's it to be?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
To me they are the same, I am not twisting your arm trying to get you to agree.
As above. You're either disagreeing George Lucas has factual word over his creations and going against him, or you're not.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That is one piss poor analogy, man.
It's not, it's true. Same thing, really.
Lucas' word is non-contestable regarding his characters and world, common sense. You may not like what he says, you may wish it's not true, but it's true.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So why do you come here?
There are other threads besides this.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lucas can dictate what happens in the movies, but he cannot dictate how I view the EU being connected to the movies.
He has said they are two different worlds that do not interfere/interact with one another.
Is he wrong or not?
-AC
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Lucas can dictate what happens in the movies, but he cannot dictate how I view the EU being connected to the movies.More fanboy BS? Almost as bad as calling Neo a God.
If he were to say the EU isn't connected to his movies, then it isn't, since the movies are his creation and the characters in the EU are or based off his creation. You saying otherwise is very telling of your dementia.
No, calling Neo 'god-like in the matrix' isn't a far stretch considering what is shown and implied (if you understood the movies, you'd see this). You arbitrarily deciding your opinion on someone else' work is as valid since their views don't allow your favorite character to do something you wish they could is beyond fanboyism, it's insanity.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriFirst of all, why can't I disagree with him? It's not like I work for him. If I enjoy viewing the SW universe in my own way, what's it matter to him? to you?
I just explained to you why this is incorrect and ignorant.I asked you a question:
Lucas has specified the two are not connected, you have said you feel they are. So if his word is fact over his universe/characters, where do you stand? Do you go against that claim?
You've said you're not saying he's wrong, and you really cannot disagree with him, but...you have disagreed. So what's it to be?
As above. You're either disagreeing George Lucas has factual word over his creations and going against him, or you're not.See above answer.
It's not, it's true. Same thing, really.Yes, his creation, created for who? US. If I want to view the SW universe in the way I choose to, you think he is really going to care?Lucas' word is non-contestable regarding his characters and world, common sense. You may not like what he says, you may wish it's not true, but it's true.
There are other threads besides this.Why do you come HERE, this thread? ALL was well until you poked your insanely large nose in the door.
He has said they are two different worlds that do not interfere/interact with one another.I think they are connected, he says the aren't. No one is wrong, we just have different viewpoints. He has the right to tell me I am wrong, but I dont have the right to say he is wrong, because it is his creation. And just because he tells me I am wrong doesn't mean I AM wrong, all he can say, if he chose to, is that I look at the SW universe in a very non Canon way.Is he wrong or not?
-AC
Originally posted by RobtardFirst he is a "God", then "God like".....make up your mind.
If he were to say the EU isn't connected to his movies, then it isn't, since the movies are his creation and the characters in the EU are or based off his creation. You saying otherwise is very telling of your dementia.No, calling Neo 'god-like in the matrix' isn't a far stretch considering what is shown and implied (if you understood the movies, you'd see this). You arbitrarily deciding your opinion on someone else' work is as valid since their views don't allow your favorite character to do something you wish they could is beyond fanboyism, it's insanity.
If he says EU is not connected to the movies, then that is his right, and I imagine he said that for legal reasons.
Luke is not my fave character, Mace Windu is.
I have asked this question already to you and AC, so I will ask again. You think GL gives a rats ass on how I view the SW universe? You think it like keeps him up at night and shit?
You are putting yourself at equal with him.
He says they're not connected, therefore they are not. Why is it taking you ages to get this? You say you don't feel you're equal to his opinion, then you are. You're not, because them not being connected isn't his "opinion", it's fact.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First of all, why can't I disagree with him? It's not like I work for him. If I enjoy viewing the SW universe in my own way, what's it matter to him? to you?
Because it's not opinion Vs opinion, it's his factual word over his creations Vs your ignorant intent to view it in a way contrary to this.
It doesn't matter who it matters to, stop dodging.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, his creation, created for who? US. If I want to view the SW universe in the way I choose to, you think he is really going to care?
I believe George Lucas most famously said he created Star Wars because it's a movie he wanted to see but didn't think anybody would ever make. Don't get it confused, he created it because he wanted it, the fact that it was made public and enjoyed does not entitle you to ownership.
He owns this, it's his. He has said that his creation is not connected to the E.U. and that they do not interfere/interact. You are saying "I think they do." while he's saying "They don't". It's not RJ's opinion Vs George's, it's George's fact. End.
It's not about him "caring" or anybody "caring", it's a simple matter of you being wrong. Why extend it beyond that?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why do you come HERE, this thread? ALL was well until you poked your insanely large nose in the door.
Didn't you previously say personal attacks were immature and not needed? Sad, sad man. Very.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think they are connected, he says the aren't. No one is wrong, we just have different viewpoints. He has the right to tell me I am wrong, but I dont have the right to say he is wrong, because it is his creation. And just because he tells me I am wrong doesn't mean I AM wrong, all he can say, if he chose to, is that I look at the SW universe in a very non Canon way.
Possibly the biggest load of garbage you've spewed.
You think something contrary to a man's factual declaration regarding his own creations. Therefore, you are wrong. He can tell you "No, you are wrong. They are not connected.", and you would be, and are being, ignorant and incorrect to say so. You remind me of that guy who had a sig that said "Your a whore." and then edited it to say "I know the spelling is wrong, but I'm not giving into peer pressure and changing it.". If it's factually wrong, you're honestly a fool to no concede. You are wrong, and you are not conceding.
If you say "I'm RJ and I love my family, I know this because I know me.", how much leverage would I have to then say "I don't agree." and argue against you? Would that be stupid or would it be as credible? Exactly, it'd be stupid, because you know you, and your word over you is fact in circumstances like that. This is the same, you cannot disagree with him over this, because you simply do not have the weight.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI never said I didnt feel "equal" to his opinion, I said I didnt agree with it.
You are putting yourself at equal with him.He says they're not connected, therefore they are not. Why is it taking you ages to get this? You say you don't feel you're equal to his opinion, then you are. You're not, because them not being connected isn't his "opinion", it's fact.
Because it's not opinion Vs opinion, it's his factual word over his creations Vs your ignorant intent to view it in a way contrary to this.You call it ignorant intent, I call it viewing the saga as I wish, in a way that is enjoyable to me. Different strokes.It doesn't matter who it matters to, stop dodging.
I believe George Lucas most famously said he created Star Wars because it's a movie he wanted to see but didn't think anybody would ever make. Don't get it confused, he created it because he wanted it, the fact that it was made public and enjoyed does not entitle you to ownership.If I were to view it as he did, I would enjoy the saga less....you think he wants that?He owns this, it's his. He has said that his creation is not connected to the E.U. and that they do not interfere/interact. You are saying "I think they do." while he's saying "They don't". It's not RJ's opinion Vs George's, it's George's fact. End.
It's not about him "caring" or anybody "caring", it's a simple matter of you being wrong. Why extend it beyond that?See above answer.
Didn't you previously say personal attacks were immature and not needed? Sad, sad man. Very.Sure, because you never attack anyone. What WAS I thinking? I call 'em as I see 'em. You show up and all of a sudden the thread turns to shit. Coincidence?
Possibly the biggest load of garbage you've spewed.You are a close minded fool. I can't believe I never saw that til now.You think something contrary to a man's factual declaration regarding his own creations. Therefore, you are wrong. He can tell you "No, you are wrong. They are not connected.", and you would be, and are being, ignorant and incorrect to say so. You remind me of that guy who had a sig that said "Your a whore." and then edited it to say "I know the spelling is wrong, but I'm not giving into peer pressure and changing it.". If it's factually wrong, you're honestly a fool to no concede. You are wrong, and you are not conceding.
If you say "I'm RJ and I love my family, I know this because I know me.", how much leverage would I have to then say "I don't agree." and argue against you? Would that be stupid or would it be as credible? Exactly, it'd be stupid, because you know you, and your word over you is fact in circumstances like that. This is the same, you cannot disagree with him over this, because you simply do not have the weight.
-AC
It doesn't matter if RJ views the EU Luke as an extension of movies. Whether or not RJ choses to acknowledge GL's decrees/rules/laws regarding the EU has nothing to do with the fact that the EU Luke is being used in this movie vs. thread.
I really can't think of anywhere else that this thread can fit...so this is probably the best place for it. That's probably why Imp, in his wisdom, allowed it for this vs. discussion.