Originally posted by caedusrulesallwhen neo reacts faster than luke, what makes yo uthink he'll have time to set all of this up
You can't move fast when you're held in stasis.Or, Neo could move with his "ultra-fastness", but at a Force illusion of Luke while the real Luke simply kills him from behind while Force-cloaked.
Originally posted by caedusrulesallYou said he can still think while in stasis. But all Neo does in the Matrix is thinking. All his movements are just his thoughts.
You can't move fast when you're held in stasis.Or, Neo could move with his "ultra-fastness", but at a Force illusion of Luke while the real Luke simply kills him from behind while Force-cloaked.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You said he can still think while in stasis. But all Neo does in the Matrix is thinking. All his movements are just his thoughts.
If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement.
Originally posted by caedusrulesallits his telkinesis pushing his physical form he could be paraplegic but move using the matrix
If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement.
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.
They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.
Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.
Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...
If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".
Originally posted by dadudemonthat last line was AWESOME. 💃
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.
Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.
Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...
If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".
Originally posted by caedusrulesallWe are assuming here obviously. Could Neo still bend reality with his thoughts? If not...why?
If Neo was out of Stasis, yes, he could use his thoughts to move. But, even if he thinks "I'm going to move over there" while in stasis, his thoughts won't allow him to move since his physical form is still incapable of movement.
Originally posted by dadudemonI agree absolutely, in a fight were the premises power Neo down to be weaker than Luke, Neo would be weaker than Luke. Once again a great insight, thank you, dadudemon.
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.
Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.
Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...
If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...this is a bit one sided.They would have to fight in an arena that Neo is not the god off...but still retain most of his powers.
Seriously, NJO Luke wouldn't do jack diddly squat inside the matrix IF that's where they fought. In the Matrix, Luke's powers should not work. The trainman had his own universe programmed and Neo wasn't worth shit in that one so it should be possible to have this battle out in a programmed universe where Luke keeps all his powers and Neo keeps all his powers.
Neo is waaaaaaaay the f**k more durable...
If Luke and Neo can use their powers to their fullest, I see this going in Luke's favor. In fact it seems "all too easy".
Someone said that only Palpatine was (possibly) stronger than Luke, yet that crusty old pederast was picked up and tossed out like garbage by a heavily wounded Vader; with little difficulty. So I not sure you're understanding how powerful Neo is, remember, his powers would allow him to bend reality to his will, i.e. Godlike powers.
But like Bardock said, if you want (need to) to power-down Neo in order to make Luke stronger than him, so be it. Luke wins in that scenario.
Oh, did I mention Neo could be at him within milliseconds?
Originally posted by Rogue JediSo, why wouldn't lets say, thinking Luke far, far away into the sun work. And we saw Neo can just jump inot an agent and make him explode all over the matrix. Why not that?
IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
IF for some reason the force didnt work on Neo, which would be powering Luke down.You gotta assume that ALL of Lukes powers would work on Neo, and vice versa.
Yes, that is the premise. Luke has awesome powers, no doubt. Neo is Godlike though.
Let's play a game, I'll control Neo, you control Luke. I'll even give you the advantage and tell you my first move. 1/50th (underestimated) of a second after the fight begins, Neo will be punching Luke through the skull, flying at 3,390 feet per second. What does Luke do?
Originally posted by RobtardEasy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.
Yes, that is the premise. Luke has awesome powers, no doubt. Neo is Godlike though.Let's play a game, I'll control Neo, you control Luke. I'll even give you the advantage and tell you my first move. 1/50th (underestimated) of a second after the fight begins, Neo will be punching Luke through the skull, flying at 3,390 feet per second. What does Luke do?
Next question.
Originally posted by Rogue JediNah, doesn't make sense. Since the Agents are human beings that got reprogrammed anyways.
I always thought that Neo was able to do that BECAUSE Smith was an agent, NOT a human being.
Originally posted by Rogue JediWhy could Neo with his vastly superior speed not dodge this attack? Precog is great, but it does only so much against a superior opponent.
Easy....Luke would use precog to sense Neo's attack, sidestep, ignite his saber and decapitate him.Next question.
Originally posted by Robtard
Someone said that only Palpatine was (possibly) stronger than Luke, yet that crusty old pederast was picked up and tossed out like garbage by a heavily wounded Vader; with little difficulty. So I not sure you're understanding how powerful Neo is, remember, his powers would allow him to bend reality to his will, i.e. Godlike powers.But like Bardock said, if you want (need to) to power-down Neo in order to make Luke stronger than him, so be it. Luke wins in that scenario.
Oh, did I mention Neo could be at him within milliseconds?
In my specially programmed universe, Luke's force abilities should be more than enough for Neo, IF we are talking about NJO. No doubt that Luke should have problems holding Neo still. Neo didn't really show reality warping in the Matrix Movies but he did show abilities to read into the programming of the Matrix which gave him almost precog ability and slight control over things to happened in the matrix. The best his "reality warping" got was the virtual destruction of Agent Smith. Since the two characters(Luke and Neo) come from different universes, giving that ability(virtual character destruction) to Neo to use against Luke may or may not work. This is an unknown. (In the fighting arena designed for them to fight.)
In Neo's world where he is god, Luke would still have his Jedi reflexes and pre cog and learned abilities...but force abilities(I am referring to kensis mostly) would probably not work. Though he did, at one point, use the force to destroy droids...I am not sure if that ability could carry over into controlling some aspects of the Matrix.
However, put Neo in Luke's Universe, and he gets utterly raped without even trying.
So...going by this logic, Luke could put up a fight in Neo's universe but Neo wouldn't stand a chance Luke's universe.
IF Luke's kinetic force powers could have any hold on Neo inside the neutral universe I have proposed, then it would be a very one sided fight. IF, for the sake of a drawn out fight, Luke's powers have control over Neo but Neo is able to overcome them to a certain extent, then it should be an even match. Jedi Mind Tricks would do nothing at all on Neo because his mind is probably extremely advanced. (He concluded faster, according to the Architect, than the "others" before him...and then there's the whole transcending the control of the matrix part.)