Neo vs. Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why could Neo with his vastly superior speed not dodge this attack?

Fail. Neo MAY be able to move that fast...but the best we have of him relxing/moving fast is in one where he does the most parodied portion of the wave arms thing. Neo's reflexes are absurd. But I would not put them on par with even a Jedi Knight. Neo's uber flight speed does nothing for him against Luke.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Precog is great, but it does only so much against a superior opponent.

In this case, Luke is leaps and bounds ahead of Neo when it comes to reflexes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sidestep, turnon the saber and attack all within/faster 1/50th of a second? Luke is that fast?

Yes. Much faster. Deflecting blaster bolts straight back at the person firing the weapon? Luke also uses Form V...and probably an amalgamation of other forms with his own personal touch thrown in.

Tetsuo steps in and goes blobmonster on both of them. TETSUO!!!!!!!

Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sidestep, turnon the saber and attack all within/faster 1/50th of a second? Luke is that fast?

Originally posted by Robtard
Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity.

none of the opponents he faces has any sort of powers, its all about fighting skill.

Luke has fighting skill, he is a master of Teras Kasi, wields the force, not to mention he is a deadeye with his blaster, and he handles a lightsaber like no other.

Luke can do too much, he has too many weapons at his disposal.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, doesn't make sense. Since the Agents are human beings that got reprogrammed anyways.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Smith

This part in particular:

Smith is an Agent, an artificial intelligence manifested in the Matrix.

Originally posted by Robtard
Of all the Fanboys, Star Wars fanboys are the best. Second only to Wolverine Fanboys. (Best=Funniest)

I know it's difficult, as I am a Starwars fan myself and only the first Matrix movie was worth watching, but let's at least pretend to have some measure of objectivity.

Please address my post. I approached this subject logically.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since the two characters(Luke and Neo) come from different universes, giving that ability(virtual character destruction) to Neo to use against Luke may or may not work. This is an unknown. (In the fighting arena designed for them to fight.)

Yes, that's the point I was addressing. In your arena Luke's powers work hundred percent while the powers Neo showed or is told of being able to harness only may or may not. My point is really just that the Neo we saw in Revolution would be able to beat NJO Luke as he is described by the article posted and the people arguing in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geicI59NTLg

The feats he shows in this video alone should be enough for any Jedi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nc85tUrbb8&NR=1

Look at the final fight between him and Smith. especially a hit of Smith at 5:30. And the impact Neo takes at 6:00. Does that look like a fight Luke could participate or even win?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Smith

This part in particular:

Smith is an Agent, an artificial intelligence manifested in the Matrix.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but they take over and reprogram the bodies of people in the matrix.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, that's the point I was addressing. In your arena Luke's powers work hundred percent while the powers Neo showed or is told of being able to harness only may or may not.

In the theoretical arena being used, it is supposed to give each character 100% of their ability except for Neo's Agent Smith destructo thing and maybe some other reality manipulating abilities if he has them. Stopping bullets is fine...etc. etc.

Originally posted by Bardock42
My point is really just that the Neo we saw in Revolution would be able to beat NJO Luke as he is described by the article posted and the people arguing in this thread.

Maybe. I don't know. Depends on how effective Luke's force abilities are on Neo. They come from different universes so we have no way of knowing if Luke's uber force abilities will work to "hold" Neo.

Also, Neo's almost precog-like abilities stem from an uncanny connection to the Matrix. His ability to "sense" and even affect the the Matrix while out side the Matrix comes from that connection. In the Arena I have designed, that would eliminate that ability...unless we can program that in there. I feel that Luke's Jedi abilities as far as reflexes go, it would make a very one sided fight. Even then, it is still rather one sided WITH the Neo's "sense" as Neo's sense does not work nearly as fast as a Jedi's...it is more or less long drawn out thought and contemplation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geicI59NTLg

Originally posted by Bardock42
The feats he shows in this video alone should be enough for any Jedi.

I own all three Matrix movies...and 0 Star Wars movies. 😐

The point is a Jedi Knight should be able to have reflexes fast enough to keep up with Neo's hand to hand combat...but the strength differential, imo, would be too great to overcome. This is where a lightsaber and evasive abilities would help a Jedi out.

However, we are not talking about a regular Jedi. We are talking about the, probably, most powerful Jedi in the Star Wars universe. cloaking planets...moving ridiculously large star ships with telekinesis, etc.

Could Luke use his force barrier to absorb a supersonic punch from Neo? I don't think so.

Could Luke easily evade that attack and cut Neo up into two pieces while Neo travels at supersonic speeds? Yes. That is definitely within his ability.

Luke's abilities are just more versatile and developed. He has many more feats than Neo so it is easier to quantify his abilities.

Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nc85tUrbb8&NR=1

Look at the final fight between him and Smith. especially a hit of Smith at 5:30. And the impact Neo takes at 6:00. Does that look like a fight Luke could participate or even win?

Neo's durability is NOT in question. Neo is MUCH more durable than Luke.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Could Luke use his force barrier to absorb a supersonic punch from Neo? I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
a Jedi can, in fact, use the force to lessen the impact of any attack.

But it would seem logical to assume that that much of an impact would be too much for Luke's force barrier to absorb. Do you have info to the contrary? If it is shown that his barrier can take a whopping of a hit, then I will definitely have to change what I said and admit that my assessment was wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But it would seem logical to assume that that much of an impact would be too much for Luke's force barrier to absorb. Do you have info to the contrary? If it is shown that his barrier can take a whopping of a hit, then I will definitely have to change what I said and admit that my assessment was wrong.

If Maul can accomplish this, then NJO Luke can certainly accomplish it on a much larger scale, especially with a punch or kick attack.

Also, not many non SW fans know this, but, while in combat, everything slows down while the Jedi/Sith remain moving at full speed. Time doesnt slow down, it's just that the Sith/ Jedi are so attuned with their precog abilities, that they are able to know what their opponent plans several moves in advance.

So, to be clear, Neo has all of his powers, Luke has all of his powers, not to mention his lightsaber, AND these powers work 100% on each other, right?

If thats the case, here is a good link that describes force powers:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Force_powers

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
✅ NJO Luke is.

This is why you're a silly Fanboy, Luke is powerful, but super-duper-DUPER speed isn't one of his abilities.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Please address my post. I approached this subject logically.

1) Luke can't move that fast, Jedi's are fast, but they can't move at super-lighting speeds. He could not dodge, arm his weapon and attack all in less than a second, a lot less than a second at that.

2) Luke's use of the force is a devatating weapon, but Neo's has the abiltiy to alter reality to his liking, in theory, any Force attack Luke tries, Neo could bend it to his own will/use. But he wouldn't need that, because speed would all that would be needed. Considering Neo is Godlike in power.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is why you're a silly Fanboy, Luke is powerful, but super-duper-DUPER speed isn't one of his abilities.

and cut out the fan boy crap, it makes it look like you are reaching.

JEDI MIND TRICK....Luke can make Neo think whatever he pleases, make him THINK REALITY is to his liking.

and YES, Luke can dodge, will his saber to his hand, and ignite in in less than a second. He doesnt even have to will it to his hand, he can merely will it TOWARDS Neo, ignite it at the last second, and attack Neo that way. Not to mention Luke can, at the same time, use force powers and a physical attack at the same time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
do yourself a favor, read the link I just provided, check out all the powers Luke can harness.

and cut out the fan boy crap, it makes it look like you are reaching.

JEDI MIND TRICK....Luke can make Neo think whatever he pleases, make him THINK REALITY is to his liking.

and YES, Luke can dodge, will his saber to his hand, and ignite in in less than a second. He doesnt even have to will it to his hand, he can merely will it TOWARDS Neo, ignite it at the last second, and attack Neo that way. Not to mention Luke can, at the same time, use force powers and a physical attack at the same time.

I did; moving at super-duper speeds isn't one of his powers, sure he's faster than any normal human and possibly any other Jedi, but he can't move at 'The FLash' like speeds, which you just claimed he could. Do you know how fast a 50th (or greater) of a second is? This is why you're a fanboy, you make up shit. Do yourself a favor and try some objectivity, you're embaressing yourself.

Unless the battle starts and they're miles apart, Neo would be on him and have killed him even before the saber moved an inch. The split second it takes Luke to think about using some force attack, Neo would be on him.

I would say here neo has a much faster accelratio as well as movement speed than luke,

neo has shown to be able to increase his speed t o3x the speed almost instantly, FORCE SPEED IS GREAT BUT IT ISN'T ON PAR WITH NEO(Sorry caps lock...too lazy to redo)

neo's strength is much greater as well as his durability

and he is no doubt a better fighter, in fact I wouldnt find it s ohard pressed to believe neo could actually take a couple of hits fro mteh light saber with being dismembered