WWH vs. Midgard Serpent

Originally posted by zopzop
That didn't happen the second time they fought. Time on Earth for mortals was passing by just fine. This happened around Thor 487.

In that battle, the strike that Thor used to kill the serpent, also turned Thor into jelly, literally.

When it ate Thor, the vapors in it's belly actually had a "sedating" effect, (Thor #487), which would probably be the worse thing possible for the Hulk.

The battles never showed the serpent as being slow or clumsy. It was quick.

It has the power of illusion, a poison that is even deadly to the Gods, fire and it does have the power to stop time, even if it hasn't always used it.

And, of course, it is very intelligent.

I say the Serpent wins this. It's not that, normally, Hulk couldn't take a creature this size. He probably could.

It's because the abilities of Jormungand do not match up well for Hulk in this case.

Possible sedation, time control, illusion, speed, strength and size, make it a very tricky battle. Not just a straight brawl.

Then again, what do I know? I'm just Jormungand's fath... um, I mean, I'm just some guy that reads comic books.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
Yeah. I have it. If I have time, I will post it up here.

In that battle, the strike that Thor used to kill the serpent, also turned Thor into jelly, literally.

When it ate Thor, the vapors in it's belly actually had a "sedating" effect, (Thor #487), which would probably be the worse thing possible for the Hulk.

The battles never showed the serpent as being slow or clumsy. It was quick.

It has the power of illusion, a poison that is even deadly to the Gods, fire and it does have the power to stop time, even if it hasn't always used it.

And, of course, it is very intelligent.

I say the Serpent wins this. It's not that, normally, Hulk couldn't take a creature this size. He probably could.

It's because the abilities of Jormungand do not match up well for Hulk in this case.

Possible sedation, time control, illusion, speed, strength and size, make it a very tricky battle. Not just a straight brawl.

The Vapors were poisonous. This won't be a problem at all for Hulk because of his superb healing factor (unless the vapors somehow negate his HF, which there is zero proof of).

Hulk takes this. Thor level durability, excellent strength and stamina, and unmatched healing factor.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Vapors were poisonous. This won't be a problem at all for Hulk because of his superb healing factor (unless the vapors somehow negate his HF, which there is zero proof of).

Hulk takes this. Thor level durability, excellent strength and stamina, and unmatched healing factor.

And, the Thor-level durability is another problem. It hasn't helped Thor against the serpent. As I said, the time that Thor actually stood and battled with Jormungand, things did not go well. And, the time he killed it head on, it also killed him. Basically, though Hela's curse kept the "jelly" alive in the armor.

Another time, Jormungand, flat-out ate Thor and it took the combined effort of BRB and Thor just to escape.

It's battles with Thor have practically been "aerial" battles, flying, striking, zigging, zagging, etc. It was fast enough to do this with Thor.

So, you will have to understand if I'm not seein' it, when you say Hulk takes this. I'm not seeing how.

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, Hulk HAS been sedated many times. And, recently, I'm pretty sure.

And, the Thor-level durability is another problem. It hasn't helped Thor against the serpent. As I said, the time that Thor actually stood and battled with Jormungand, things did not go well. And, the time he killed it head on, it also killed him. Basically, though Hela's curse kept the "jelly" alive in the armor.

Another time, Jormungand, flat-out ate Thor and it took the combined effort of BRB and Thor just to escape.

It's battles with Thor have practically been "aerial" battles, flying, striking, zigging, zagging, etc. It was fast enough to do this with Thor.

So, you will have to understand if I'm not seein' it, when you say Hulk takes this. I'm not seeing how.

The reason why it took both Thor and Bill to break out of the Serpent's gut was because the poisonous vapors had almost killed Thor. He wasn't so much sedated as poisoned and about to die. The fumes were called "noxious" and "airborne venom". As he lay near death he didn't have the strength to bust out on his own.

Hulk doesn't merely have Thor level durability, he also has an unsurpassed healing factor (something Thor lacks). Also Hulk has been shown not needing to breathe at all. So that airborne venom isn't gonna mean much to him.

Now add to that, that's he's as strong as Thor and can amp the madder he gets. Tally all that up (durability, HF, stamina, strength, anger amp) and it spells doom for the Serpent.

Originally posted by zopzop
The reason why it took both Thor and Bill to break out of the Serpent's gut was because the poisonous vapors had almost killed Thor. He wasn't so much sedated as poisoned and about to die. The fumes were called "noxious" and "airborne venom". As he lay near death he didn't have the strength to bust out on his own.

Hulk doesn't merely have Thor level durability, he also has an unsurpassed healing factor (something Thor lacks). Also Hulk has been shown not needing to breathe at all. So that airborne venom isn't gonna mean much to him.

Now add to that, that's he's as strong as Thor and can amp the madder he gets. Tally all that up (durability, HF, stamina, strength, anger amp) and it spells doom for the Serpent.

And, Hulk does not have Thor level durability. I just went through this with somebody in another thread. Hulk may have a hf that allows him to recover, but he also has many more showings where he is damaged, than Thor does.

Hulk bleeds at the drop of a hat. Gutted, burned, broken, slashed. And, I would imagine that if I take the time to actually go through the books, I would find that there are more instances of Hulk succumbing to sedatives and poisons, than there are of it happening to Thor.

And, since Jormungand has the ability to stop time, I would imagine he should be able to use it in this conflict, regardless of if he has always used it before.

On top of it, I am still having trouble seeing how Hulk fights the serpent. It looms hundreds of miles in the sky and dodges. When Hulk misses it, and falls to the bottom of the ocean, or swimming on the surface, how does he attack again? Even if he starts on land and jumps, the serpent was fast and intelligent.

So, it's not that I am saying that Hulk does not have the power to defeat Jormungand. It is just, as I said, that this is not a good match-up for him.

It's comparable to a tank entering a jet dogfight. Of course it has the firepower to destroy a jet. But, it is a bad match-up.

If this is Savage Hulk, the Serpents fumes could possibly work against him...if this is WWH, its not happening. WWH healing factor fought against so much poisons that its insane. Hell, his body fought against a poison that was designed to kill him. If you need scans, let me know.

Serpents only way of winning this is by outbrawling Hulk...ain't happening. Turning him to Jello ain't doing it either...this is a guy that healed in a couple of panel at a weaker state from being turned into bones...this is a guy that had both of his hands chopped off at a molecular level and healed his hands back instantly.

Hulk is the right tool to beat Serpent and if anyone need scans of anything Ive said, please let me know.

Originally posted by carver9
If this is Savage Hulk, the Serpents fumes could possibly work against him...if this is WWH, its not happening. WWH healing factor fought against so much poisons that its insane. Hell, his body fought against a poison that was designed to kill him. If you need scans, let me know.

Serpents only way of winning this is by outbrawling Hulk...ain't happening. Turning him to Jello ain't doing it either...this is a guy that healed in a couple of panel at a weaker state from being turned into bones...this is a guy that had both of his hands chopped off at a molecular level and healed his hands back instantly.

Hulk is the right tool to beat Serpent and if anyone need scans of anything Ive said, please let me know.

Originally posted by carver9
If this is Savage Hulk, the Serpents fumes could possibly work against him...if this is WWH, its not happening. WWH healing factor fought against so much poisons that its insane. Hell, his body fought against a poison that was designed to kill him. If you need scans, let me know.

Serpents only way of winning this is by outbrawling Hulk...ain't happening. Turning him to Jello ain't doing it either...this is a guy that healed in a couple of panel at a weaker state from being turned into bones...this is a guy that had both of his hands chopped off at a molecular level and healed his hands back instantly.

Hulk is the right tool to beat Serpent and if anyone need scans of anything Ive said, please let me know.

I mean, he gets damaged. He always needs the damage to stop, so he can heal.

Because, let's face it. He is going to end up in Jormungand's belly. He is too big and fast and good at the whole "snake strike" from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

And, as everybody likes to point out, Hulk is a brawler. No matter which one it is, unless it is Mr. Fixit, he is going to stand his ground. He will stand there and do his, "Strongest There Is" thing, until we hear a titanic "gulp".

Honestly, if this was a different creature of the same size, I would probably give it to Hulk, especially if it was the "Lumbering Giant" type of monster. Hulk would be able to jump at it and pound it. Or, actually climb aboard and beat the hell out of it.

But, I don't see either one of those things happening without some divine intervention from the writer's and fans.

3 Ways for Midgard Serpent to Win-

1. Time Stop. Nothing Hulk can do against this.
2. BFR. Jormungand is big and strong enough to toss Hulk right off the planet.
3. Belly of the Beast. Jormungand's combination of damaging Hulk as he eats him, along with the poison AND being digested in what would have to be a very, very powerful soup of acids, with no break for Hulk to heal.

1 Way for Hulk to Win-

1. Since I don't think Hulk can actually go on the attack here, he would have to wait until he was in Jormungand's mouth or stomach. Then, if he is not effected at all and can heal, he can hold on and pound away, or pound his way out.

And, thank you Carver, for being "civil". And, even acknowledging that Savage Hulk would have a hard time here.

It is a pleasure debating with you, sir. nerd

actually eating hulk would be the worse thing jormangand could possibly do.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
actually eating hulk would be the worse thing jormangand could possibly do.

I can agree with this.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I understand what went on with BRB and Thor. But, the effect of even breathing the vapors acted as a sedative. To "Thor". In the history of comics, how many times has Thor been effected by chemical means? Again, Hulk has been effected by chemical means before.

And, Hulk does not have Thor level durability. I just went through this with somebody in another thread. Hulk may have a hf that allows him to recover, but he also has many more showings where he is damaged, than Thor does.

Hulk bleeds at the drop of a hat. Gutted, burned, broken, slashed. And, I would imagine that if I take the time to actually go through the books, I would find that there are more instances of Hulk succumbing to sedatives and poisons, than there are of it happening to Thor.

And, since Jormungand has the ability to stop time, I would imagine he should be able to use it in this conflict, regardless of if he has always used it before.

On top of it, I am still having trouble seeing how Hulk fights the serpent. It looms hundreds of miles in the sky and dodges. When Hulk misses it, and falls to the bottom of the ocean, or swimming on the surface, how does he attack again? Even if he starts on land and jumps, the serpent was fast and intelligent.

Originally posted by Horrificus
So, if he was in the serpent's belly, being constantly poisoned and digested, with no stop for him to heal, you still think he would heal?

I mean, he gets damaged. He always needs the damage to stop, so he can heal.

Because, let's face it. He is going to end up in Jormungand's belly. He is too big and fast and good at the whole "snake strike" from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

And, as everybody likes to point out, Hulk is a brawler. No matter which one it is, unless it is Mr. Fixit, he is going to stand his ground. He will stand there and do his, "Strongest There Is" thing, until we hear a titanic "gulp".

Honestly, if this was a different creature of the same size, I would probably give it to Hulk, especially if it was the "Lumbering Giant" type of monster. Hulk would be able to jump at it and pound it. Or, actually climb aboard and beat the hell out of it.

But, I don't see either one of those things happening without some divine intervention from the writer's and fans.

3 Ways for Midgard Serpent to Win-

1. Time Stop. Nothing Hulk can do against this.
2. BFR. Jormungand is big and strong enough to toss Hulk right off the planet.
3. Belly of the Beast. Jormungand's combination of damaging Hulk as he eats him, along with the poison AND being digested in what would have to be a very, very powerful soup of acids, with no break for Hulk to heal.

1 Way for Hulk to Win-

1. Since I don't think Hulk can actually go on the attack here, he would have to wait until he was in Jormungand's mouth or stomach. Then, if he is not effected at all and can heal, he can hold on and pound away, or pound his way out.

And, thank you Carver, for being "civil". And, even acknowledging that Savage Hulk would have a hard time here.

It is a pleasure debating with you, sir. nerd

And relying on the "Time Stop" ability is lame since it happened ONLY once and in the more recent appearance, time did NOT stop for mortals at all.

Hulk wins this.

Originally posted by zopzop
The poison was NOT a sedative, it was toxic and it was killing him. The airborne poison was even called "noxious". You are mistaking him passing out because he was DYING with him passing out because the poison was a sedative.

My point is, that if Thor was effected, Hulk would be effected more.
And, if Hulk was swallowed, there would be no chance for his hf to catch up.

It takes more to damage or effect Thor, but if something is able to, he can't heal, or shrug it off as fast as Hulk, even though he can do it quickly.

It doesn't take as much to damage Hulk but if he gets half a chance, he can heal from it without being put down.

6 of 1, half-dozen of another, except that in a situation where Hulk's hf isn't getting a chance to fix the damage, he's is going to keep losing "hit points", so to speak.

Where did you see Thor being digested? I don't think it was even mentioned or hinted at. He was being KILLED by the POISON.

And relying on the "Time Stop" ability is lame since it happened ONLY once and in the more recent appearance, time did NOT stop for mortals at all.

Hulk wins this.

1. Jormungand's venom is as potent as ever. It laid Thor out and he was on the ropes. It would do worse to Hulk. Especially without his hf getting a chance to work.

2. You stating that Thor was not being digested doesn't mean that it wasn't happening, wasn't going to happen, or wouldn't happen to Hulk.

3. If you want to cancel out one-time feats, Hulk is going to lose some supporting incidents. And, if you don't cancel out Jormungand's "time-stop", the serpent wins anyway.

Aren't serpents Hulk's achilles heel? 😄

And fumes? 😄

no, but trolling by lowballing apparently is

Originally posted by Horrificus
Not sure why the word "sedative" is driving you up a wall. I said "acted as a sedative" and to be honest, I couldn't care less about the use of it. The point was that the poison was powerful enough to effect Thor, who has been effected FAR LESS than Hulk by gasses, poisons, SEDATIVES, etc.

Because they weren't sedating Thor, the poisonous vapors were KILLING him.

My point is, that if Thor was effected, Hulk would be effected more.
And, if Hulk was swallowed, there would be no chance for his hf to catch up.

Proof? Hulk's HF (like his strength and stamina) amp the angrier he gets. As shown during WWH arc, when Wolverine was finding it harder and harder to cut him with his claws.

It takes more to damage or effect Thor, but if something is able to, he can't heal, or shrug it off as fast as Hulk, even though he can do it quickly.

It doesn't take as much to damage Hulk but if he gets half a chance, he can heal from it without being put down.

6 of 1, half-dozen of another, except that in a situation where Hulk's hf isn't getting a chance to fix the damage, he's is going to keep losing "hit points", so to speak.

The only time I can recall Hulk's HF failing to save his ass was when Zeus (A SKYFATHER) shut it down. Midgard Serpent is NO Skyfather.

He wasn't being digested yet, but that was the point of EATING HIM. I'm not sure which story you are arguing about. I am talking about when he was swallowed.

No, the point of "eating" him was to allow the poison VAPOR go work Thor over. Once BRB burst inside it's gut, even the little bit of fresh air that entered was enough to give Thor a second wind and he helped Bill bust out it's gut. Apparently that poisonous vapor waters down a lot when exposed to fresh air.

Come on. Really?! So, none of Hulk's one-time feats count?

Even if I didn't argue against your points above, I don't see how they buy you a win here.

1. Jormungand's venom is as potent as ever. It laid Thor out and he was on the ropes. It would do worse to Hulk. Especially without his hf getting a chance to work.

2. You stating that Thor was not being digested doesn't mean that it wasn't happening, wasn't going to happen, or wouldn't happen to Hulk.

3. If you want to cancel out one-time feats, Hulk is going to lose some supporting incidents. And, if you don't cancel out Jormungand's "time-stop", the serpent wins anyway.

1) The Serpent's venom is weaksauce, see my above comment as to why. Hulk's HF is second to none and would allow him to overcome it's toxic fumes.

2) It was NEVER stated that Thor was being digested. In fact that wasn't the whole point of swallowing him in the first place. To further drive the point home, when they busted out of the Serpent, it looked like Thor was lodged in the Serpent's throat. How many creatures digest food in their throat?

3) You can rule out any one time Hulk feats and still he'd beat the Serpent. That time stop crap happened ONCE and never again.

What would happen if Hulk did his dimensional barrier destroying thunderclap inside of the Serpent?

Diarrhea on a global scale. Serpent shit everywhere.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Diarrhea on a global scale. Serpent shit everywhere.

😂 😂

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no, but trolling by lowballing apparently is

Well snakes no, I know that is low balling.

The fumes and Hulk's lungs naaaaaaaaahhhh.