WWH vs. Midgard Serpent

Originally posted by janus77
it's different.
Amadeus Cho was possessed by the zomling, that escapes the fallen Zom/Strange, whereas Strange was channelling a fraction of Zom's power, which he expended in his battle with Hulk.

your durability is increased however.

Originally posted by janus77
one is an active process of obtaining power from an immense being, the other is that immense being's residue possessing a creature in order to re-energise and re-manifest itself into reality.

Originally posted by janus77
it's like the Hunger possessing Galactus, it is a naturally weak way to access this reality. whilst say, calling on a God to empower you is far far stronger way to access this reality.

Originally posted by janus77
Strange was becoming possessed by the Zomling too, the power was affecting his reasoning and making him careless about the consequences of his actions (endangering bystanders),

Originally posted by janus77
but primarily Strange was channelling and infusing his physical form with (a fraction of) the power of Zom.

Originally posted by janus77
it's an incantation not a possession.

Originally posted by janus77
remember, Strange's manservant explained that he got an urn to trap the Zomling in, that it had +escaped+ Zom/Strange's body after the power was used up (when Hulk overpowered Zom/Strange),

Originally posted by janus77
that it was seeking a host to use in order to re-manifest itself and get back its power.

At any rate Strange had high durabiltiy regardless of what he was trying to do. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How did he one-shot Zom.....

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2186/wwh4strange09jm6.jpg
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Ok so let me get this straight right.....Zom in the body of Strange can take multiple punches from the most powerful version of the Hulk but the Zom koed by Angel had the same durability or had terrible durability? 🤨

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ad populem.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood a term that's also used for gaining control of a loose canon...

Bullshit The Zom aspect was going out of control with the whole "Strange smash" thing. You got and proof that he remained at the same power leve lwhen Strange was trying to reel him in?

And no he was not trying to escape, trying expanding your vocabulary and term useage. Strange was trying to prevent the wanton destruction that was starting to occur around him. You have no evidence he remained as stong as he did and are simply trying to overhype the feat as you hulk fanboys tend to do.

And he was trying to channel less so that he could get a better control over it that you admit he did not have. Sort of like with a faucet thats turned onto full blast and then you try to turn it to a lower setting so not as much is coming out.

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When hulk hit him he was fighting to control the power so it wasn't as much that was being used.

Bullshit. He was not ementating MORE POWER when he was fighting to control the level of power. Agaion as with the faucet, when you turn the faucet down, MORE doesn't come out, LESS comes out.

Bullshit excuse by a hulk fanboy.

And is totally being skewed by your hulk fanboyism. When you fight to control the level of power you're eminating, its NOT more that comes out, its less.

Because someone whio isn't trying to chanel the high level of power such as Strange when trying to get control of the situation or Cho who didn't want the power, the durability was vastly decreased. Hence when Strange was struggling to gain control HIS durability would have been decreased. Not incresed like you're speculating.

Now you're projecting.

Because strange was fighting to control it. and when you're trying to control it rather than allowing it to just gush out LESS comes out. Much like when you're trying NOT to let it come out at all the durability is decreased again.

Except in strange's case where he started to not willingly channel as much power and appearently that INCREASED his strength so that the Hulk feat seems even more impressive than it actually was, right fanboy?

In your dreams... Trying not to channel power is the same as trying not to chanel power. Its a sham distinction to think otherwise.

Except trying not to channel great levels of power is the same as trying to not channel the great levels of power.

Something you're sorely lacking.

Yes because whne trying not to channel more power you actually DO channel more power and thus your durability will go UP, hence why Cho got one shotted...

Oh wait that totally negates your argument of when strange was trying to channel less power and his power went up..

Which is doubtful as the Cho incident shows concretely that if you're trying to channel less power your durability is NOT increased.

SUre it was fanboy, sure it was...

I knew it would come to this. When idiots such as you run out of reasonanble arguments you resort to pathetic fanboy accusations. I have tried to keep this civil but it seems you just wont have it and so be it. Frankly calling me a hulk fanboy shows your utter stupidity. Ive argued against the hulk many times before in situattions which i believed he would lose due to his being one dimensional. The hulk is not my favorite character but i still think he can win this fight. i suppose evryone else who thinks so is a hulk fanboy right? You are one of the most pathetic debaters i hve encountered. Why dont you start thinking before u start typing. When u see that ur points are being continuosly rebuffed and debunked the safest way to escape is to call fanboy.

Are you really this daft ? Have you evn been reading the nonsense uve been writing? I sincerely doubt it. Your main point is that strange was fighting to control the power and it was therefore reducing. However in your own foolish posts you continuously state that strange was TRYING to control the power with no mention of him succeding in it. You keep asking for evidence to show that he was at the same power level but in your daftness you fail to realise that it is clearly shown on panel that the only reason strange was fighting to control the power was becuase he was inadvertently releasing too much for him too control and hence the destruction that was going on. You then attempt to use the unbelievably simplistic and stupid logic that just because strange was trying to channel less he somehow became weaker. The fact howver is that strange WAS trying to control it but was not having much success. Your laughable faucet example is in no way analogous with what happened in the strange incident mainly becuase strange is still struggling with the power when the hulk hits him and has NOT been turned to a lower setting as you so foolishly put it. During the initial battle between strange and hulk he is seen to be controlling the power quite well. Howver he then begins to fight for control of the power becuase inadvertently more power begins coming out of him. He then begins to try to reduce the level of power coming out of him to a level that he can control but as evn you in ur infinte density have admitted he is still fighting for control when the hulk hits him. Therefore if he had already succeded in reducing the power to levels that were evn below the levels he originally started before the hulk hit him then he would have been weaker. But it is obvious that he is still struggling when he is hit by the hulk proof enough that he HAS NOT yet succeded in reducing his power to controllable levels such as the levels of power that he initially used to physically destroy the hulk.

For heavens sake how can you evn compare the strange and cho incidents? Doing show just shows how low and laughable ur logic really is. Saying oh well Cho was not trying to channel any power and became weaker and oh well strange was also trying to reduce the level of power he was channeling and so must have become weaker all without taking into account the variable situations that lead to their actions and the different nature of their access to zoms power is just foolish. Cho was simply possesed by a weaker version of zom that was looking for a way to regain power. Hence zom was in control of chos body and his conciousness was dominant. Therefore it can be concluded that do to the lack of any form of channeling on chos part and mostly due to the weakness of zom cho when possesed by zom had low durability. Howevever in Dr stranges case his was not simply possesed by zom but had made the decision to willingly merge with the zomling and then properly channel its power to defeat WWH hence his consciousness was dominant. The problem however was that the power of the zomling was too much for him to properly channel and he was inadvertently causing unintended destruction. It was during his attempt to properly channel the power of the zomling which was proving more than he could handle that he was knocked out by the hulk. Dr strange had in fact been warned of the dangers of trying to control or channel such power as the zomling possesed but initially he seemed to have it under control but later found that he was using more power than he could control. Unlike in Chos case the problem with strange was NOT
the lack of channeling but the inability to limit the amount of power being channeled to a controllable level. When a power that you have been controlling suddenly becomes too much to control any idiot( except maybe one like you) can see that it indicates an increase in the power and not a reduction. Also when it is seen that the individual is though trying to reduce his level of power still struggling or finding it hard to control it any idiot( once agian except you) can see it means that that individual has not yet reduced his power level to the previously controllable level.

It is therefore painfully obvious that you are an extreme idiot as you believe that a person fights to control power that he was previously controlling fine when the power starts reducing. Unfortuantely for idiots such as you in the comic world people fight to control powers that were previoulsy controllable when the power has increased to an uncontrollable level and not the other way round. Your usage of toddler logic evn worse examples and resorting to stupid and pathetic fanboy accusations only shows your debating ineptitude and further proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what i suspected earlier: YOU ARE AN EXTREME IDIOT!!!!! 🙁

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I knew it would come to this. When idiots such as you run out of reasonanble arguments you resort to pathetic fanboy accusations. I have tried to keep this civil but it seems you just wont have it and so be it. Frankly calling me a hulk fanboy shows your utter stupidity. Ive argued against the hulk many times before in situattions which i believed he would lose due to his being one dimensional. The hulk is not my favorite character but i still think he can win this fight. i suppose evryone else who thinks so is a hulk fanboy right? You are one of the most pathetic debaters i hve encountered. Why dont you start thinking before u start typing. When u see that ur points are being continuosly rebuffed and debunked the safest way to escape is to call fanboy.

Are you really this daft ? Have you evn been reading the nonsense uve been writing? I sincerely doubt it. Your main point is that strange was fighting to control the power and it was therefore reducing. However in your own foolish posts you continuously state that strange was TRYING to control the power with no mention of him succeding in it. You keep asking for evidence to show that he was at the same power level but in your daftness you fail to realise that it is clearly shown on panel that the only reason strange was fighting to control the power was becuase he was inadvertently releasing too much for him too control and hence the destruction that was going on. You then attempt to use the unbelievably simplistic and stupid logic that just because strange was trying to channel less he somehow became weaker. The fact howver is that strange WAS trying to control it but was not having much success. Your laughable faucet example is in no way analogous with what happened in the strange incident mainly becuase strange is still struggling with the power when the hulk hits him and has NOT been turned to a lower setting as you so foolishly put it. During the initial battle between strange and hulk he is seen to be controlling the power quite well. Howver he then begins to fight for control of the power becuase inadvertently more power begins coming out of him. He then begins to try to reduce the level of power coming out of him to a level that he can control but as evn you in ur infinte density have admitted he is still fighting for control when the hulk hits him. Therefore if he had already succeded in reducing the power to levels that were evn below the levels he originally started before the hulk hit him then he would have been weaker. But it is obvious that he is still struggling when he is hit by the hulk proof enough that he HAS NOT yet succeded in reducing his power to controllable levels such as the levels of power that he initially used to physically destroy the hulk.

For heavens sake how can you evn compare the strange and cho incidents? Doing show just shows how low and laughable ur logic really is. Saying oh well Cho was not trying to channel any power and became weaker and oh well strange was also trying to reduce the level of power he was channeling and so must have become weaker all without taking into account the variable situations that lead to their actions and the different nature of their access to zoms power is just foolish. Cho was simply possesed by a weaker version of zom that was looking for a way to regain power. Hence zom was in control of chos body and his conciousness was dominant. Therefore it can be concluded that do to the lack of any form of channeling on chos part and mostly due to the weakness of zom cho when possesed by zom had low durability. Howevever in Dr stranges case his was not simply possesed by zom but had made the decision to willingly merge with the zomling and then properly channel its power to defeat WWH hence his consciousness was dominant. The problem however was that the power of the zomling was too much for him to properly channel and he was inadvertently causing unintended destruction. It was during his attempt to properly channel the power of the zomling which was proving more than he could handle that he was knocked out by the hulk. Dr strange had in fact been warned of the dangers of trying to control or channel such power as the zomling possesed but initially he seemed to have it under control but later found that he was using more power than he could control. Unlike in Chos case the problem with strange was NOT
the lack of channeling but the inability to limit the amount of power being channeled to a controllable level. When a power that you have been controlling suddenly becomes too much to control any idiot( except maybe one like you) can see that it indicates an increase in the power and not a reduction. Also when it is seen that the individual is though trying to reduce his level of power still struggling or finding it hard to control it any idiot( once agian except you) can see it means that that individual has not yet reduced his power level to the previously controllable level.

It is therefore painfully obvious that you are an extreme idiot as you believe that a person fights to control power that he was previously controlling fine when the power starts reducing. Unfortuantely for idiots such as you in the comic world people fight to control powers that were previoulsy controllable when the power has increased to an uncontrollable level and not the other way round. Your usage of toddler logic evn worse examples and resorting to stupid and pathetic fanboy accusations only shows your debating ineptitude and further proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what i suspected earlier: YOU ARE AN EXTREME IDIOT!!!!! 🙁

oh no...cresh is going to pick every sentance apart again.this is going to be a big post coming up.. 🙁

Either way Hulk is still going to bowtie the Midgard Serpent and walk away.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I knew it would come to this. When idiots such as you run out of reasonanble arguments you resort to pathetic fanboy accusations. I have tried to keep this civil but it seems you just wont have it and so be it. Frankly calling me a hulk fanboy shows your utter stupidity. Ive argued against the hulk many times before in situattions which i believed he would lose due to his being one dimensional. The hulk is not my favorite character but i still think he can win this fight. i suppose evryone else who thinks so is a hulk fanboy right? You are one of the most pathetic debaters i hve encountered. Why dont you start thinking before u start typing. When u see that ur points are being continuosly rebuffed and debunked the safest way to escape is to call fanboy.

Are you really this daft ? Have you evn been reading the nonsense uve been writing? I sincerely doubt it. Your main point is that strange was fighting to control the power and it was therefore reducing. However in your own foolish posts you continuously state that strange was TRYING to control the power with no mention of him succeding in it. You keep asking for evidence to show that he was at the same power level but in your daftness you fail to realise that it is clearly shown on panel that the only reason strange was fighting to control the power was becuase he was inadvertently releasing too much for him too control and hence the destruction that was going on. You then attempt to use the unbelievably simplistic and stupid logic that just because strange was trying to channel less he somehow became weaker. The fact howver is that strange WAS trying to control it but was not having much success. Your laughable faucet example is in no way analogous with what happened in the strange incident mainly becuase strange is still struggling with the power when the hulk hits him and has NOT been turned to a lower setting as you so foolishly put it. During the initial battle between strange and hulk he is seen to be controlling the power quite well. Howver he then begins to fight for control of the power becuase inadvertently more power begins coming out of him. He then begins to try to reduce the level of power coming out of him to a level that he can control but as evn you in ur infinte density have admitted he is still fighting for control when the hulk hits him. Therefore if he had already succeded in reducing the power to levels that were evn below the levels he originally started before the hulk hit him then he would have been weaker. But it is obvious that he is still struggling when he is hit by the hulk proof enough that he HAS NOT yet succeded in reducing his power to controllable levels such as the levels of power that he initially used to physically destroy the hulk.

For heavens sake how can you evn compare the strange and cho incidents? Doing show just shows how low and laughable ur logic really is. Saying oh well Cho was not trying to channel any power and became weaker and oh well strange was also trying to reduce the level of power he was channeling and so must have become weaker all without taking into account the variable situations that lead to their actions and the different nature of their access to zoms power is just foolish. Cho was simply possesed by a weaker version of zom that was looking for a way to regain power. Hence zom was in control of chos body and his conciousness was dominant. Therefore it can be concluded that do to the lack of any form of channeling on chos part and mostly due to the weakness of zom cho when possesed by zom had low durability. Howevever in Dr stranges case his was not simply possesed by zom but had made the decision to willingly merge with the zomling and then properly channel its power to defeat WWH hence his consciousness was dominant. The problem however was that the power of the zomling was too much for him to properly channel and he was inadvertently causing unintended destruction. It was during his attempt to properly channel the power of the zomling which was proving more than he could handle that he was knocked out by the hulk. Dr strange had in fact been warned of the dangers of trying to control or channel such power as the zomling possesed but initially he seemed to have it under control but later found that he was using more power than he could control. Unlike in Chos case the problem with strange was NOT
the lack of channeling but the inability to limit the amount of power being channeled to a controllable level. When a power that you have been controlling suddenly becomes too much to control any idiot( except maybe one like you) can see that it indicates an increase in the power and not a reduction. Also when it is seen that the individual is though trying to reduce his level of power still struggling or finding it hard to control it any idiot( once agian except you) can see it means that that individual has not yet reduced his power level to the previously controllable level.

It is therefore painfully obvious that you are an extreme idiot as you believe that a person fights to control power that he was previously controlling fine when the power starts reducing. Unfortuantely for idiots such as you in the comic world people fight to control powers that were previoulsy controllable when the power has increased to an uncontrollable level and not the other way round. Your usage of toddler logic evn worse examples and resorting to stupid and pathetic fanboy accusations only shows your debating ineptitude and further proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what i suspected earlier: YOU ARE AN EXTREME IDIOT!!!!! 🙁

LOL...owned. Anyway Dr Strange didnt just get punched once by WWH but took a beatdown obvoulsy he was more durable than Cho who got one-shoted by Angel. Just common sense but I hear what you are saying.

Heres the whole thing, just before he gets punched Strange says "too much power hard to control", so how could the power have been reduced?

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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9454/wwh4strange10gp7.jpg
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Originally posted by ultimatethor
I knew it would come to this. When idiots such as you run out of reasonanble arguments you resort to pathetic fanboy accusations. I have tried to keep this civil but it seems you just wont have it and so be it. Frankly calling me a hulk fanboy shows your utter stupidity. Ive argued against the hulk many times before in situattions which i believed he would lose due to his being one dimensional. The hulk is not my favorite character but i still think he can win this fight. i suppose evryone else who thinks so is a hulk fanboy right? You are one of the most pathetic debaters i hve encountered. Why dont you start thinking before u start typing. When u see that ur points are being continuosly rebuffed and debunked the safest way to escape is to call fanboy.

Are you really this daft ? Have you evn been reading the nonsense uve been writing? I sincerely doubt it. Your main point is that strange was fighting to control the power and it was therefore reducing. However in your own foolish posts you continuously state that strange was TRYING to control the power with no mention of him succeding in it. You keep asking for evidence to show that he was at the same power level but in your daftness you fail to realise that it is clearly shown on panel that the only reason strange was fighting to control the power was becuase he was inadvertently releasing too much for him too control and hence the destruction that was going on. You then attempt to use the unbelievably simplistic and stupid logic that just because strange was trying to channel less he somehow became weaker. The fact howver is that strange WAS trying to control it but was not having much success. Your laughable faucet example is in no way analogous with what happened in the strange incident mainly becuase strange is still struggling with the power when the hulk hits him and has NOT been turned to a lower setting as you so foolishly put it. During the initial battle between strange and hulk he is seen to be controlling the power quite well. Howver he then begins to fight for control of the power becuase inadvertently more power begins coming out of him. He then begins to try to reduce the level of power coming out of him to a level that he can control but as evn you in ur infinte density have admitted he is still fighting for control when the hulk hits him. Therefore if he had already succeded in reducing the power to levels that were evn below the levels he originally started before the hulk hit him then he would have been weaker. But it is obvious that he is still struggling when he is hit by the hulk proof enough that he HAS NOT yet succeded in reducing his power to controllable levels such as the levels of power that he initially used to physically destroy the hulk.

For heavens sake how can you evn compare the strange and cho incidents? Doing show just shows how low and laughable ur logic really is. Saying oh well Cho was not trying to channel any power and became weaker and oh well strange was also trying to reduce the level of power he was channeling and so must have become weaker all without taking into account the variable situations that lead to their actions and the different nature of their access to zoms power is just foolish. Cho was simply possesed by a weaker version of zom that was looking for a way to regain power. Hence zom was in control of chos body and his conciousness was dominant. Therefore it can be concluded that do to the lack of any form of channeling on chos part and mostly due to the weakness of zom cho when possesed by zom had low durability. Howevever in Dr stranges case his was not simply possesed by zom but had made the decision to willingly merge with the zomling and then properly channel its power to defeat WWH hence his consciousness was dominant. The problem however was that the power of the zomling was too much for him to properly channel and he was inadvertently causing unintended destruction. It was during his attempt to properly channel the power of the zomling which was proving more than he could handle that he was knocked out by the hulk. Dr strange had in fact been warned of the dangers of trying to control or channel such power as the zomling possesed but initially he seemed to have it under control but later found that he was using more power than he could control. Unlike in Chos case the problem with strange was NOT
the lack of channeling but the inability to limit the amount of power being channeled to a controllable level. When a power that you have been controlling suddenly becomes too much to control any idiot( except maybe one like you) can see that it indicates an increase in the power and not a reduction. Also when it is seen that the individual is though trying to reduce his level of power still struggling or finding it hard to control it any idiot( once agian except you) can see it means that that individual has not yet reduced his power level to the previously controllable level.

It is therefore painfully obvious that you are an extreme idiot as you believe that a person fights to control power that he was previously controlling fine when the power starts reducing. Unfortuantely for idiots such as you in the comic world people fight to control powers that were previoulsy controllable when the power has increased to an uncontrollable level and not the other way round. Your usage of toddler logic evn worse examples and resorting to stupid and pathetic fanboy accusations only shows your debating ineptitude and further proves beyond a shadow of a doubt what i suspected earlier: YOU ARE AN EXTREME IDIOT!!!!! 🙁

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Heres the whole thing, just before he gets punched Strange says "too much power hard to control", so how could the power have been reduced?

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1560/wwh4strange01pa2.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3889/wwh4strange02gq5.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6749/wwh4strange03nx7.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9493/wwh4strange04wh4.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9934/wwh4strange05ze5.jpg
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3329/wwh4strange06ni4.jpg
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4136/wwh4strange07ls6.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9139/wwh4strange08zz3.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2186/wwh4strange09jm6.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9454/wwh4strange10gp7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3192/wwh4strange11xr9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4736/wwh4strange12te7.jpg

give the hulk an inch and he takes a astronomical unit.

Originally posted by Badabing
You need to stop with the bashing and name calling.

Creshock needs to stop with bashing and the name calling. Can you imagine how annoying this is. Ultimatethor has tried to keep it civil while all the while being insulted by Creshock the he finally snaps and then you tell him he needs to stop. How would that make you feel....unfair? doh

People get fed up with hearing Creshocks goddamn logicall fallacy nonsense. Everytime you get into a debate with him its Punisher fanboy, Hulk fanboy, Blade fanboy etc etc.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Creshock needs to stop with bashing and the name calling. Can you imagine how annoying this is. Ultimatethor has tried to keep it civil while all the while being insulted by Creshock the he finally snaps and then you tell him he needs to stop. How would that make you feel....unfair? doh

People get fed up with hearing Creshocks goddamn logicall fallacy nonsense. Everytime you get into a debate with him its Punisher fanboy, Hulk fanboy, Blade fanboy etc etc.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Creshock needs to stop with bashing and the name calling. Can you imagine how annoying this is. Ultimatethor has tried to keep it civil while all the while being insulted by Creshock the he finally snaps and then you tell him he needs to stop. How would that make you feel....unfair? doh

People get fed up with hearing Creshocks goddamn logicall fallacy nonsense. Everytime you get into a debate with him its Punisher fanboy, Hulk fanboy, Blade fanboy etc etc.

What? People get fed up with Cresh asking them to use logically consistent debating techniques? The only 'logical fallacy nonsense' is spurting from the mouths of you few who have no idea how to truly debate. Cresh is absolutely right to invalidate those arguments which hold absolutely zero merit. My apologies if that frustrates you, but perhaps you should try to find a better argument.

Originally posted by Soljer
What? People get fed up with Cresh asking them to use logically consistent debating techniques? The only 'logical fallacy nonsense' is spurting from the mouths of you few who have no idea how to truly debate. Cresh is absolutely right to invalidate those arguments which hold absolutely zero merit. My apologies if that frustrates you, but perhaps you should try to find a better argument.

Sure. 👆

Originally posted by Badabing
You need to stop with the bashing and name calling.

I hear you man and i'll stop but evrything i said was provoked and certainly was not uncalled for. As i said, i tried to keep it civil.

Originally posted by Soljer
What? People get fed up with Cresh asking them to use logically consistent debating techniques? The only 'logical fallacy nonsense' is spurting from the mouths of you few who have no idea how to truly debate. Cresh is absolutely right to invalidate those arguments which hold absolutely zero merit. My apologies if that frustrates you, but perhaps you should try to find a better argument.

Man Ive always respected ur posts but putting bias aside would u actually call an argument that says "when a character says a power that he was previously controlling has become too much for him to control and is seen still being unable to control that power when he is attacked then the characters power did not reduce or has not reduced to controllable levels at the point of attack" a logical fallacy or an argument of zero merit?

And would u say another argument that says" Because the Character was TRYING to reduce the power to controllable levels he had stopped releasing the same level of power and had already reduced the level of power to evn below the previously controllable levels evn though that character was still struggling to control the power and therefore had obviously NOT yet succeded in reducing the power level to the previously controllable levels" an argument that is logically consistent?

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Originally posted by ultimatethor
Man Ive always respected ur posts but putting bias aside would u actually call an argument that says "when a character says a power that he was previously controlling has become too much for him to control and is seen still being unable to control that power when he is attacked then the characters power did not reduce or has not reduced to controllable levels at the point of attack" a logical fallacy or an argument of zero merit?

And would u say another argument that says" Because the Character was TRYING to reduce the power to controllable levels he had stopped releasing the same level of power and had already reduced the level of power to evn below the previously controllable levels evn though that character was still struggling to control the power and therefore had obviously NOT yet succeded in reducing the power level to the previously controllable levels" an argument that is logically consistent?

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I'll be honest with you, friend. I haven't read a bit of this thread. Not one bit. I don't care who supports who, I don't care who would win out of the two combatants.

All I know is that Alfheim was complaining about Cresh pointing out logical fallacies. Lots of people have complained about Cresh debating in such a style. However, Cresh is almost always (to mine eyes) correct in calling out the posters he does. He knows and can recognize many logical fallacies for what they are. And these fallacies are quite popular among those who fancy themselves 'debaters,' but have learned very little on the subject.

That's all I was defending. As to the actual arguments you or Cresh are proposing? I haven't a clue.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'll be honest with you, friend. I haven't read a bit of this thread. Not one bit. I don't care who supports who, I don't care who would win out of the two combatants.

All I know is that Alfheim was complaining about Cresh pointing out logical fallacies. Lots of people have complained about Cresh debating in such a style. However, Cresh is almost always (to mine eyes) correct in calling out the posters he does. He knows and can recognize many logical fallacies for what they are. And these fallacies are quite popular among those who fancy themselves 'debaters,' but have learned very little on the subject.

That's all I was defending. As to the actual arguments you or Cresh are proposing? I haven't a clue.

No sweat

Originally posted by Soljer
I'll be honest with you, friend. I haven't read a bit of this thread. Not one bit. I don't care who supports who, I don't care who would win out of the two combatants.

All I know is that Alfheim was complaining about Cresh pointing out logical fallacies. Lots of people have complained about Cresh debating in such a style. However, Cresh is almost always (to mine eyes) correct in calling out the posters he does. He knows and can recognize many logical fallacies for what they are. And these fallacies are quite popular among those who fancy themselves 'debaters,' but have learned very little on the subject.

That's all I was defending. As to the actual arguments you or Cresh are proposing? I haven't a clue.

Then you should have read the thread because that was what one of my main points. How ultimatethor made a valid point and all he got was insulted.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Then you should have read the thread because that was what one of my main points. How ultimatethor made a valid point and all he got was insulted.