WWH vs. Midgard Serpent

Originally posted by zopzop

Because they weren't sedating Thor, the poisonous vapors were KILLING him.

Proof? Hulk's HF (like his strength and stamina) amp the angrier he gets. As shown during WWH arc, when Wolverine was finding it harder and harder to cut him with his claws.

The only time I can recall Hulk's HF failing to save his ass was when Zeus (A SKYFATHER) shut it down. Midgard Serpent is NO Skyfather.

No, the point of "eating" him was to allow the poison VAPOR go work Thor over. Once BRB burst inside it's gut, even the little bit of fresh air that entered was enough to give Thor a second wind and he helped Bill bust out it's gut. Apparently that poisonous vapor waters down a lot when exposed to fresh air.

1) The Serpent's venom is weaksauce, see my above comment as to why. Hulk's HF is second to none and would allow him to overcome it's toxic fumes.

2) It was NEVER stated that Thor was being digested. In fact that wasn't the whole point of swallowing him in the first place. To further drive the point home, when they busted out of the Serpent, it looked like Thor was lodged in the Serpent's throat. How many creatures digest food in their throat?

3) You can rule out any one time Hulk feats and still he'd beat the Serpent. That time stop crap happened ONCE and never again. [/B]

First of all, you are misunderstanding that I was trying to be gracious by saying the serpent's poison was only sedating Thor, because it was knocking him out. I figured that if I jumped to the point of it killing him, somebody would call foul. But, you are backing me up that the poison was killing Thor.

It was THAT powerful. "Weaksauce"? Are you kidding? Show me another instance of ANYTHING poisoning Thor.

And, as I have said, Hulk NEEDS that healing factor because he is prone to damage. Much more so than Thor. Anything that is hurting Thor, will be doing MORE damage to the Hulk.

And, as you have helped me to point out, Thor was immersed in the stuff.

Comparing the claws of Wolverine to Jormungand's attack? I don't even know how to react to that. Poke, poke, poke vs Chomp/Gulp.

There is no getting mad. It's just done, as with Thor.

You pointing out that Thor was in the serpents neck instead of his belly really has nothing to do with anything. You couldn't possibly know the anatomy of Jormungand, and I am pretty sure that it wasn't being written with "and here is the part where Thor is sitting in the serpent's THROAT", as the point of the panels.

Plus, the thing is over 25,000 miles long! How could you visually make a call on where his throat is?

While I am on the subject, think about what is involved with a strike from Jormungand: Each strike is like being hit was a superfast, almost invulnerable, poisonous, "toothy" CONTINENT. Or more. And, sometimes it also burns you with some kind of mystical fire.

Thor got swallowed. End of story. It wasn't about Thor being lodged in the serpent's throat.

But, that doesn't matter either. Wherever Thor was, after being swallowed, the point is that it would be a lot easier to catch the Hulk and swallow him.

The next point is that, if the poison was killing Thor, it would bring Hulk down faster.

Third point, if Hulk can't get away, so his healing factor can go to work, he stays injured and dying and it just gets worse from there.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, you still don't understand what I am saying.

First of all, you are misunderstanding that I was trying to be gracious by saying the serpent's poison was only sedating Thor, because it was knocking him out. I figured that if I jumped to the point of it killing him, somebody would call foul. But, you are backing me up that the poison was killing Thor.

It was THAT powerful. "Weaksauce"? Are you kidding? Show me another instance of ANYTHING poisoning Thor.

And, as I have said, Hulk NEEDS that healing factor because he is prone to damage. Much more so than Thor. Anything that is hurting Thor, will be doing MORE damage to the Hulk.

And, as you have helped me to point out, Thor was immersed in the stuff.

Comparing the claws of Wolverine to Jormungand's attack? I don't even know how to react to that. Poke, poke, poke vs Chomp/Gulp.

There is no getting mad. It's just done, as with Thor.

You pointing out that Thor was in the serpents neck instead of his belly really has nothing to do with anything. You couldn't possibly know the anatomy of Jormungand, and I am pretty sure that it wasn't being written with "and here is the part where Thor is sitting in the serpent's THROAT", as the point of the panels.

Plus, the thing is over 25,000 miles long! How could you visually make a call on where his throat is?

While I am on the subject, think about what is involved with a strike from Jormungand: Each strike is like being hit was a superfast, almost invulnerable, poisonous, "toothy" CONTINENT. Or more. And, sometimes it also burns you with some kind of mystical fire.

Thor got swallowed. End of story. It wasn't about Thor being lodged in the serpent's throat.

But, that doesn't matter either. Wherever Thor was, after being swallowed, the point is that it would be a lot easier to catch the Hulk and swallow him.

The next point is that, if the poison was killing Thor, it would bring Hulk down faster.

Third point, if Hulk can't get away, so his healing factor can go to work, he stays injured and dying and it just gets worse from there.

I understand perfectly what you are saying, I'm just not buying what you are selling, sorry.

Yeah that poison was killing Thor (a being with no discernible healing factor to speak of). Hulk doesn't have that problem.

And yet the poison was so weak, that even just a little bit of fresh air allowed Thor to get a second wind and help Bill break out of the Serpent's throat. That's why he had to swallow Thor. If he tried breathing the poison on Thor while Thor was out in the open, the poison would have been diluted by the fresh air.

Luckily for the Hulk he's been shown not needing to breathe or those times he's been shown needing air, he can hold his breathe for a VERY VERY long time. Barring that, he has his excellent healing factor.

Dude he was in his freaking neck :

So not only wasn't he in the Serpent's stomach, there was NO indication that the Serpent was digesting him or even attempted to swallow him in order to eat him. The whole point of swallowing him was to have him affected by his poisonous vapors.

Hulk got this.

Assuming that the Midgard Serpent swallows the Hulk (Not sure why it'd come to that) it's not a given that he will survive it's poisonous vapors just because he can hold his breath for an extremely long time and so on. Thor can do the same, Hulk would have to have warning or knowledge of this before hand for it to really matter imo. His healing factor is also not in of itself a guarantee at a cure, as we've seen over the years, even with Green Scar, magic is a very real pain in the Hulk's ass.

Heck, if it came to it, I'd pick Thor to resist a dangerous toxin with a magical background over the Hulk. His incredibly resistance was the only reason he lasted as long, IIRC Bill said he would have collapsed much earlier than Thor in the same position.

Mind you, I didn't read the entire argument.

...or hulk just hump straight up through it's spinal column, rendering it a flaccid piece of meat (pause) clinging to life.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
...or hulk just hump straight up through it's spinal column, rendering it a flaccid piece of meat (pause) clinging to life.

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"hump" Wtf? I meant jump 😐

I was just about to leave for work. Phuck it

Originally posted by psycho gundam
"hump" Wtf? I meant jump 😐

I was just about to leave for work. Phuck it

Originally posted by Nihilist
Show the scans of this poisions that was designed to kill him

Originally posted by Nihilist
Cmon Carter im still waiting

Originally posted by psycho gundam
...or hulk just hump straight up through it's spinal column, rendering it a flaccid piece of meat (pause) clinging to life.

What was posted is not the the same as jumping through Jormungand.

Much larger than a mountain and practically invulnerable against anything but the top-tier powerhouses of Marvel.

Originally posted by zopzop
I understand perfectly what you are saying, I'm just not buying what you are selling, sorry.

Yeah that poison was killing Thor (a being with no discernible healing factor to speak of). Hulk doesn't have that problem.

And yet the poison was so weak, that even just a little bit of fresh air allowed Thor to get a second wind and help Bill break out of the Serpent's throat. That's why he had to swallow Thor. If he tried breathing the poison on Thor while Thor was out in the open, the poison would have been diluted by the fresh air.

Again, you are proving my point. As long as Thor, (whose constitution is better than that of the Hulk) was out of the poisoned environment, his own healing and Godly anatomy was able to pull him out of it. But, while he was immersed in the poisonous environment of Jormungand's innards, even his defenses were slowly moving down the scale.

Thor would probably have died if BRB hadn't broke him out.

This would happen faster to the Hulk and I don't think that BRB would care to help him.

The poison WOULD overcome the Hulk and it is hard to get mad when you are on the verge of unconsciousness.

Luckily for the Hulk he's been shown not needing to breathe or those times he's been shown needing air, he can hold his breathe for a VERY VERY long time. Barring that, he has his excellent healing factor.

And, since the same can be said for Thor, who does not even need to breath air at all, chances are that he probably didn't even realize that he was breathing the poison. So, neither would Hulk.

So, he would not be holding his breath unless he knew, for some reason, that the air itself was full of poison inside the serpent. Which, he wouldn't.

So, again, he gets effected and goes down hill from there.

Dude he was in his freaking neck :
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So not only wasn't he in the Serpent's stomach, there was NO indication that the Serpent was digesting him or even attempted to swallow him in order to eat him. The whole point of swallowing him was to have him affected by his poisonous vapors.

And, again, if Thor wasn't even in the stomach yet, and he was dying from the poison alone, it is a good thing that BRB came for him. Something that is not going to happen for poor, lonely Hulk.

But, then again, he has been saying he wants to be left alone for decades, so it's his own fault.

But, in the end, it took Thor and BRB to break out of Jormungand. Hulk is not going to make it.

In the case of this battle, I have a feeling that one of the older incarnations of the Hulk would actually do better, due to the way he used to instinctively know what to do and seemed to have fate on his side, guiding him to do things that ended up giving him the win.

Something would have probably happened that Hulk would have been able to capitalize upon, and pulled out the win.