Cyclops vs. Batman

Nobody has argued that Batman couldn't dodge his normal beams, they've just that 1) Cyclops can fire beams wide enough that Batman wouldn't be able to dodge and 2) It's not a guarantee that Batman can dodge the normal beams long enough to close to HTH range a majority of the time

exactly how close is he having to get? and exactly how wide can cyke go without the visor? if you guys wanna make this target practice for cyke and put him 100 yards out then fine,but at a reasonable range batman can definitely get to him.

i still am having trouble seeing why batman would be able to knock out cyclops at close range before getting hit with an optic blast at close range

Originally posted by namorsubby
one example. i've given [b]multiple example of batman dodging beams faster than cyke's [/B]

Plus, with the capacity to widen blasts, any chance that Bruce has of victory is entirely dependent on Scott not being a dick.

And, seeing as this is current Scott, him just letting loose is entirely possible.

How wide?

Try this

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
But not better aimed, and not by tacticians that are on Scott's level.

Plus, with the capacity to widen blasts, any chance that Bruce has of victory is entirely dependent on Scott not being a dick.

And, seeing as this is current Scott, him just letting loose is entirely possible.

Originally posted by Silent Master
How wide?

Try this

Originally posted by jalek moye
i still am having trouble seeing why batman would be able to knock out cyclops at close range before getting hit with an optic blast at close range

Originally posted by namorsubby
for the same reason he can knock out a meta who can make forcefields with his mind before he can think to make it.

Character shields don't apply between two "names".

Originally posted by namorsubby
did you just say that scott is better aimed than super-people(supergirl and TT superman)?

If Supergirl is underestimating Bruce, like she did in those scans, and just tossing off various energy attacks, perhaps not even really putting sincere effort in hitting him or getting worked up, she's gonna miss.

Originally posted by namorsubby
he didn't take his visor off?

IIRC, he did take it off, the bottom panel was him putting in back on.

I'd have to dig through my books to verify though as that is the only scan I have saved from the issue.

I see Scott's average blast as more accurate than Supergirl's.

If she starts employing things like telescopic vision, she'd win the aim contest, but it seemed clear that that wasn't what was happening there, unless you're sincerely gonna argue that Batman > Kryptonian aim.

that's assuming supergirl was actually doing that(i doubt it,that was evil supergirl).i doubt TT superman was either(he didn't know who he was and he tried to sneak him)

and to symmetric chaos:

what?

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
I see Scott's average blast as more accurate than Supergirl's.

If she starts employing things like telescopic vision, she'd win the aim contest, but it seemed clear that that wasn't what was happening there, unless you're sincerely gonna argue that Batman > Kryptonian aim.

Originally posted by namorsubby
are you seriously gonna argue that cyke has a better aim then supergirl? come on,she does every better than a human without even trying. there's no way he does. and he's certainly not quicker to the draw.his beams aren't even faster.it's a lose lose lose

i think there beams are probbly about the same speed

cyke's beams aren't light speed. they're not even light. her beams are beams.they're light speed.

let's assume they are,her draw is still much quicker and her aim is undoubtedly better(superhuman sight)

Originally posted by namorsubby
are you seriously gonna argue that cyke has a better aim then supergirl? come on,she does every better than a human without even trying. there's no way he does. and he's certainly not quicker to the draw.his beams not even faster.

If Supergirl isn't being arrogant, and is using her other powers, she could have better feats.

But Scott's average > what was shown in that scan.

Unless you're seriously arguing that Batman > Kryptonian aim?

well its been said to be light speed on panel so they might be

With the batman wankfest that goes on this forum you'd think people don't know how to read things within context. This is a vs. match, the batman is the main character and top seller shield comes off. Unless he can phase through time and space he isn't excaping a beam from a serious clops. Way too much distance is covered he'd have to have FTL movement and be more durable than a sentinel.