Thor vs Superman

<<Answer me leo!!>>

hahahah! easy, easy - i can only respond to 6 threads at the same time! would a godblast end supes? depends on the blast. seriously. thor has blasted with his hammer many times and the damage had not been that great. a FULL UNFETTERED god blast? yes, even if it didn't ko him directly (which it likely would) it would weaken him enough to the point where it would be an easy mop up. if it hit. the full force requires a bit of time to summon, AND thor would have to be able to have space to issue it. if they were in close combat i'm not sure he could use it effectively. that's why i don't see the attack being a serious option for thor in this fight. name a speedster he's ever hit with it.

if the fight gets in close, (which it surely wouldm given the nature of the 2) it's a war, but i think supes (with his speed, str and durability adv - imho) could withstand the hammer and thor as often as not.

IF a godblast somehow hit (not sure the circumstances that could happen under though - maybe if thor REALLY scored a good shot then before supes recovered he could hit him with it) thor wins. i don't see that happening often, and in close, h2h i still say it's too close to call.

I firmly believe that the Galactus repelling Godblast would put Supes down without question. Is that unreasonable?

Thor could alway hit Supes with a lightining bolt or two, which would stun him for a while. Who says Thor can't charge a Godblast while fighting?

Gladiator.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Answer me leo!!>>

hahahah! easy, easy - i can only respond to 6 threads at the same time! would a godblast end supes? depends on the blast. seriously. thor has blasted with his hammer many times and the damage had not been that great. a FULL UNFETTERED god blast? yes, even if it didn't ko him directly (which it likely would) it would weaken him enough to the point where it would be an easy mop up. if it hit. the full force requires a bit of time to summon, AND thor would have to be able to have space to issue it. if they were in close combat i'm not sure he could use it effectively. that's why i don't see the attack being a serious option for thor in this fight. name a speedster he's ever hit with it.

if the fight gets in close, (which it surely wouldm given the nature of the 2) it's a war, but i think supes (with his speed, str and durability adv - imho) could withstand the hammer and thor as often as not.

IF a godblast somehow hit (not sure the circumstances that could happen under though - maybe if thor REALLY scored a good shot then before supes recovered he could hit him with it) thor wins. i don't see that happening often, and in close, h2h i still say it's too close to call.

yeah, but glads was a little busy putting down a plane . . .

and i agree cube - the lightning probably would be enough - about half the time. in the other half supes speed, str and heat vision (in close thor couldn't block it with the hammer) may prove the difference. hey, i'm just happy you think supes has a CHANCE! when this first started, i don't think you even gave him 1/10. baby steps, my friend . . .

later gang.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
You kind of answered your own question with the little circular argument you got going on there. 😄

He beat one small god from a small world maybe.

The only reason Thor was badly written in your opinion was he lost.😄
Yes Mjolnir could hurt Supes😄 But not enough. Oh Wonderwoman beat up on Hercules as well so I guess thats 2 and 0 in favour of Marvel "Gods" being weaker than high tier DC strong guys 😄

but I don't want to go down that route as it happenede about a hundred pages ago on this thread😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

1. No circular argument here. Do you know what a circular argument is?

2. You have no clue what my opinion is. Here, let me state it for you.

Considering Mjolnir's versatility and Thor's usage of the past, the only aspect of the battle that was "poorly written" in my opinion was Thor's walking through Superman's heat ray vision when he has used, does use, and will continue to use Mjolnir to simply absorb energy. That's ony one of ~8 magical properties Mjolnir has.

Yes Mjolnir can hurt Superman more than enough. Magic renders Superman vulnerable (same as you and I). Let me smack you in the face with a sledgehammer. One good time. You'll go down. So will Superman, and quite quickly.

Thor smacked Superman and made him bleed (apparently some "neat" feat); Superman, if I recall correctly, knocked Thor down. I guess they had to try to please everyone.

Wonder Woman besting Hercules is realistic in my opinion. She dropped Superman.

Ah. And since we wish to discuss Marvel "higher end characters" vs. "DC Gods," shall we discuss the absolute thrashing that Surfer gave Orion?

Oh I know, I know.

"Out of continuity," riiiiiiight?

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, but glads was a little busy putting down a plane . . .

and i agree cube - the lightning probably would be enough - about half the time. in the other half supes speed, str and heat vision (in close thor couldn't block it with the hammer) may prove the difference. hey, i'm just happy you think supes has a CHANCE! when this first started, i don't think you even gave him 1/10. baby steps, my friend . . .

later gang.

Superman would be busy dodging lightning and recovering from it.

From what I understand, Thor once ventured into the sun, unprotected. Heat vision won't do too much.

As long as Supes gets his 50%...

I see it as though.....Thor is god...yes....Superman is not.....
Thor have magical power of Odin and blast from far....
I love Superman mostly...but he isn't winning this maybe....

It's like an amalgam of Betagueze and asian hulk...

Thor may be a God but he is also a pussee he went gay to gayer supes will kick thors gay ass to the other side of the galaxy

what you're talkin abt.

"Considering Mjolnir's versatility and Thor's usage of the past, the only aspect of the battle that was "poorly written" in my opinion was Thor's walking through Superman's heat ray vision when he has used, does use, and will continue to use Mjolnir to simply absorb energy. That's ony one of ~8 magical properties Mjolnir has."

True. Someone would expect him to know better after going against Hyperion and Gladiator in the past and preventing the exact same attack Superman did. He was portraited as dumb.

"Wonder Woman besting Hercules is realistic in my opinion. She dropped Superman."

My comment wasent that she cant do it. It was that he didnt got -beat- like one poster said. WW/Herc and Superman/Thor wer in the end showed as pretty much equals with all having one fight where they got the upperhand.

"Thor may be a God but he is also a pussee he went gay to gayer supes will kick thors gay ass to the other side of the galaxy"

Spellcheck please.

<<Heat vision won't do too much.>>

now you're telling me that a full blast of heat vision at close range - say in the face - isn't even gonna hurt thor??

sigh. each time you take you step forward, you take 2 back. can you believe this guy, snoop?

anyway, i'd thought i was done with this thread (what more is there to say?) but i did find out a little additional info that some will find interesting and some will discard as nonsense . . .

just out of curiosity - when did thor go unprotected into the sun? because not too long ago, -- some time around the JLA/Avengers crossover -- Kurt Busiek claimed in an interview that Thor was vulnerable to bullets and Marvel's top brass did not contradict him. in the past, thor HAS been stung by bullets. it's why he uses his hammer to shield them. just one example off the top of my head -- an F-16 or something was unloading on Thor with just the guns and was leaving welts on his skin (as opposed to Superman, who has bullets bounce off of him.)

The bullet controversy really began in earnest apparently when the Black Panther comics showed Thor being knocked out by a bullet (long before Avengers/JLA, and i'm not certain of the issue #). Kurt Busiek insisted that he thought Superman should beat Thor the majority of the time because of several reasons, (busiek also said superman was stronger and faster and he was said to have read all of thor's comics) one of which is that thor is not bulletproof, but as Busiek puts it, only "bullet-resistant".

agree or disagree (and i can already here the outrage from thor fans - for the record, thor HAS shown remarkable durability in some cases, but like it or not, his resistance to injury has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the years) busiek was voted among the top writers in the business and his opinion shouldn't be discounted out of hand even by the most ardent fanboy. and bear in mind again - marvel itself never said anything different.

(thing i can't understand is why they didn't just have thor beat up gladiator after the x-over? ya know, like they had hulk beat gladiator up. THAT would ahve showed dc who was boss . . .)

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I think Thor CAN do it but im not sure who WILL win....................

"just out of curiosity - when did thor go unprotected into the sun? because not too long ago, -- some time around the JLA/Avengers crossover -- Kurt Busiek claimed in an interview that Thor was vulnerable to bullets and Marvel's top brass did not contradict him"

Your kind of taking 2 steps back as well. Busiek didnt wrote Thor rich history at Marvel. What he said doesnt hold that much water, considering Thor has taken bullets before. And he went to the sun to talk with Atom the God eater if IIRC.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Heat vision won't do too much.>>

now you're telling me that a full blast of heat vision at close range - say in the face - isn't even gonna hurt thor??

sigh. each time you take you step forward, you take 2 back. can you believe this guy, snoop?

anyway, i'd thought i was done with this thread (what more is there to say?) but i did find out a little additional info that some will find interesting and some will discard as nonsense . . .

just out of curiosity - when did thor go unprotected into the sun? because not too long ago, -- some time around the JLA/Avengers crossover -- Kurt Busiek claimed in an interview that Thor was vulnerable to bullets and Marvel's top brass did not contradict him. in the past, thor HAS been stung by bullets. it's why he uses his hammer to shield them. just one example off the top of my head -- an F-16 or something was unloading on Thor with just the guns and was leaving welts on his skin (as opposed to Superman, who has bullets bounce off of him.)

The bullet controversy really began in earnest apparently when the Black Panther comics showed Thor being knocked out by a bullet (long before Avengers/JLA, and i'm not certain of the issue #). Kurt Busiek insisted that he thought Superman should beat Thor the majority of the time because of several reasons, (busiek also said superman was stronger and faster and he was said to have read all of thor's comics) one of which is that thor is not bulletproof, but as Busiek puts it, only "bullet-resistant".

agree or disagree (and i can already here the outrage from thor fans - for the record, thor HAS shown remarkable durability in some cases, but like it or not, his resistance to injury has been portrayed inconsistently throughout the years) busiek was voted among the top writers in the business and his opinion shouldn't be discounted out of hand even by the most ardent fanboy. and bear in mind again - marvel itself never said anything different.

(thing i can't understand is why they didn't just have thor beat up gladiator after the x-over? ya know, like they had hulk beat gladiator up. THAT would ahve showed dc who was boss . . .)

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It's true, in the old Marvel Universe handbook, it said Thors hide is only 3 times denser than Human. Supes can probably poke a hole in his head with his finger.. 😆

I like thor, he's a character than stands out in this day and age, and I used to read him quite a bit...but also reading superman.. Thor goes down. Its seems the writers at Marvel/DC also thought so.

That blast he used to vaporize the Doomsday army? Imagine Supes flying around thor at superspeed with that? Nothing BUT mjolnir will be left.

"It's true, in the old Marvel Universe handbook, it said Thors hide is only 3 times denser than Human. Supes can probably poke a hole in his head with his finger.. "

"Old" being the word. I didnt saw any of his punches poke a hole anywhere on Thor in that fight.

"I like thor, he's a character than stands out in this day and age, and I used to read him quite a bit...but also reading superman.. Thor goes down. Its seems the writers at Marvel/DC also thought so"

It seems they tough of them as equals and one of them won. You do know that when equal is concerned the winner today is the loser tomorrow. Superman surely didnt won the first round and needed Manhaunters help to go against Thor.

"That blast he used to vaporize the Doomsday army? Imagine Supes flying around thor at superspeed with that? Nothing BUT mjolnir will be left"

Uh huh. Like he never fough flying speedsters before. Hes one when he has the hammer you know.

Originally posted by olympian
"It's true, in the old Marvel Universe handbook, it said Thors hide is only 3 times denser than Human. Supes can probably poke a hole in his head with his finger.. "

"Old" being the word. I didnt saw any of his punches poke a hole anywhere on Thor in that fight.

"I like thor, he's a character than stands out in this day and age, and I used to read him quite a bit...but also reading superman.. Thor goes down. Its seems the writers at Marvel/DC also thought so"

It seems they tough of them as equals and one of them won. You do know that when equal is concerned the winner today is the loser tomorrow. Superman surely didnt won the first round and needed Manhaunters help to go against Thor.

"That blast he used to vaporize the Doomsday army? Imagine Supes flying around thor at superspeed with that? Nothing BUT mjolnir will be left"

Uh huh. Like he never fough flying speedsters before. Hes one when he has the hammer you know.

Seems to me like you are one in denial. There was no 1st round. It was a sneak attack, and honestly out of thors character. In the real fight, thor lost. Get over it buddy.

For the Handbook, Old or not..it still stands, unless you can provide proof that marvel says it does not?

Have any of the "flying speedsters" used heat vision that extreme and wide in every angle at insane speeds? I highly doubt it. Supes used just a portion of his vision and thor was in pain. A full blast like that would kill him.

<<Your kind of taking 2 steps back as well. Busiek didnt wrote Thor rich history at Marvel. What he said doesnt hold that much water, considering Thor has taken bullets before.>>

huh? 2 steps back? wtf??

ohhhh, so he didn't write much thor historically so his opinion should be discreditted? should that happen with all modern writers taking on a character for the first time? busiek wrote godstorm as well as a number of avengers arcs with thor as part of the cast. he CERTAINLY knows the character very well. AND he's a well respected writer who did a great deal of research before writing the series. his opinion carries a HELL of a lot more weight than yours or anyone else's on this forum. just a tad bit arrogant (and ignorant) for YOU (or anyone else on this forum for that matter) to say his opinion doesn't/shouldn't carry water.

and read my post -- i KNOW thor has taken bullets before - but other times they've hurt him. did you notice that little bit about 'inconsistency' in the post?. agree or not, don't matter or change facts. and last i checked - supes has ALWAYS been bullet-proof.

"busiek wrote godstorm as well as a number of avengers arcs with thor as part of the cast. he CERTAINLY knows the character very well. AND he's a well respected writer who did a great deal of research before writing the series."

If he had done a great deal of research he would had know that bullets werent a issue for the character before he start writting him. In fact before he started writting him as non bullet proff when did ever existed that doubt?

In the end while i do agree there was research it was more due to Avengers sagas and history and not Thors.

And no. His opinion doesnt weight as much as decades of history printed, either. This is the same as Millar writting Wolverine as a puss that gets clobered by its own sword and gets beat by Electra, when he said he would write the definitive Logan story. Theres not much research in his stories if he claims things like that. And he did.

I hope you understand what im saying here. Would be the same as a new writter start claiming Superman couldnt survive in space when he has before.

"just a tad bit arrogant (and ignorant) for YOU (or anyone else on this forum for that matter) to say his opinion doesn't/shouldn't carry water."

As someone who pays for the comics that i get and that reads, when i see something thats wrong i have the right to spell it out. Busiek -is- a good writer. He just could had done alot better with the character.

Sure there are inconsistensy. Everyone has it. The issue lies in -claiming - something when there are more than enought examples of the contrary.

<<Sure there are inconsistensy. Everyone has it. The issue lies in -claiming - something when there are more than enought examples of the contrary.>>

if there are examples that show both sides of the coin then whatever side he claims is not incorrect - simply his pov. you can certainly disagree with his depiction, (like fans who pay to get into a ballgame can boo) but his portrayal WAS consistent with SOME of the facts that have been demonstrated in thor throughout the years. he simply did not elect to use some of the facts that YOU (or others) may have chosen. and he DID stand toe-2-toe with supes, so obviously his durability was pretty high regardless. not to mention the other stuff thor went through in the series.

again, you don't have to agree with what he's said, but given who he is and what he's done, he can reasonably be seen as being more of an expert on the subject than you or i or anyone else 'round here. of course, expert opinions are ignored all the time - and sometimes they're wrong. but they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand and they lend credence to the fact that superman can and WOULD win fights between these 2.