Thor vs Superman

"if there are examples that show both sides of the coin then whatever side he claims is not incorrect - simply his pov"

My stance is that making statements out of nothing its incorrect.

Inconsistency is when you have some writers showing that he can, and others that he cant. Bullets case when has he ever and outside of being depowered or with the Hela curse been hurt or worse? If im wrong ill glady conceid.

"and he DID stand toe-2-toe with supes, so obviously his durability was pretty high regardless. not to mention the other stuff thor went through in the series."

With this i totally agree.

I do respect Busiek. I just dont agree at all with his portraial of Thor as a guy that without the Hammer is defenselles, is not bullet proof and its dumb enought to wade thro heat vision when he has dealt with the same attack before with sucess.

Just my opinion in the matter.

<<My stance is that making statements out of nothing its incorrect. Inconsistency is when you have some writers showing that he can, and others that he cant. Bullets case when has he ever and outside of being depowered or with the Hela curse been hurt or worse? If im wrong ill glady conceid.>>

he's not making it out of nothing. he HAS suffered pain (i mentioned he was ko'd by a bullet and the welts inflicted from the other gun.) circumstantial evidence supports it also - why ELSE would thor spin his hammer to stop them? why not just let them hit him, which he never does? i wish i could think of an issue off-hand where bullets hurt him, but if i find one i'll post it. it's also in the handbook of course, though bios are very frowned upon around here (some cases rightly) because the info in them is so often contradicted by what's in books. he didn't 'make up' the fact, it has been shown in the past (damn, wish i could remember where - i distinctly remember him saying they 'sting'😉 and it was said in the handbook as well. those are some of the reasons he saw supes winning the majority of the fights. i don't think he WOULD win the majority - but i believe he'd win his share for many of the same reasons busiek does.

"he HAS suffered pain (i mentioned he was ko'd by a bullet and the welts inflicted from the other gun.) "

But was that pre- Kurt Busiek? And was he in his regular levels or not.

I appreciate if you find anything about it.

<<But was that pre- Kurt Busiek? And was he in his regular levels or not. >>

as far as i know, yes (for sure for the first one) and yes (not 100% for the second).

and you'll be the first to know if i learn anything more definite.

🙂

Guys if bullets can hurt Thor then Supermans heat vision would kill him.

But thats if the bullets hurting Thor deal is true.

It is I remember Thor being shot long ago, thats why he spins the Hammer

I see it as alot of inconsistency. For what i gather sems that Busiek came up with that because Thor in the past has dodged spears and the like. Therefore = hes afraid of them, if hes afraid he cant be bullet proof.

Thing is there are examples of Bullets bouncing off his chest, axes shaterring the same way and the like.

Id agreed more if he would had claimed that Thor while bullet proof, feels the impact. That would explain the dodging. Just because you can take them doesnt mean you should enjoy feeling the impacts.

Its like in DBZ. They dodge but they can take the blasts.

bullets hurt both of them. superman can get jarred by a bullet. it just doesnt penetrate his skin, thats why it just stings and gives him a booboo

Originally posted by EsteemedLeader
bullets hurt both of them. superman can get jarred by a bullet. it just doesnt penetrate his skin, thats why it just stings and gives him a booboo

😂 er no😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

If Thor even feels the pain of bullets he will feel the pain of this.

Please not that this is Blackrock and prior to this Supermans punch did nothing to him but his heat vision make him cry like a school girl.

<<If Thor even feels the pain of bullets he will feel the pain of this.
Please not that this is Blackrock and prior to this Supermans punch did nothing to him but his heat vision make him cry like a school girl.>>

thanks to whirly for backing me up. long live whirly! 🙂

and yes, the bullets DO sting him. i never claimed they would penetrate, just hurt. and, as snoop so elegantly showed, if bullets DO hurt him, that heat vision sure as hell will as well. but again, i admit to the inconsistency. but remember: the very fact that bullets CAN have the chance to hurt him was only one of the mitigating factors busiek used when deciding who should win the fight.

Thor can be able to take blasts from Destroyer powered by Designate the supreme, Blasts from Thanos but can't take bullets!!! Come On! Don't kid me.

Originally posted by joesha28
Thor can be able to take blasts from Destroyer powered by Designate the supreme, Blasts from Thanos but can't take bullets!!! Come On! Don't kid me.

Its true🙂 Silly but true🙂 its why he spinns the hammer when shot at.

Mike Oeming once commented on the Thor disassembled back cover that writers come and write Thor sometimes they don't know the character. They simply write not really understanding the previous issues. Oeming researched on Thor and it consisted of Stan Lee, Walt Simonson and Dan jurgans. I don't think that the bullet thingy is under any of the writers.

Thor deserve Respek and i think his fanbase and respect is growing.

<<Its true Silly but true its why he spinns the hammer when shot at.>>

yep. and i can't will til some of the others see the stuff that's been said in this thread today . . . and remember - i was quoting busiek and trying to add some NEW fuel to this rehashed, circular thread. some of his views i agree with, others i don't. but the dude's opinions have been backed up by instances in the books and again, given his credentials, his views should carry at least SOME weight. not as much weight as whirly's opinions, but still . . .

🙂

<<Thor deserve Respek and i think his fanbase and respect is growing.>>

you're right of course. but is it necessarily disrespecting a character just because you think he might lose once in a while? supes isn't exactly a slouch, you know . . .

I'm not say that. I was statting to the my fact that writers who don't know abt him wrote him.

but how does a writer get to know a character? he studies him, researches him, likely gets lots of input from other writers. and again, it's not like he had thor get wounded by a bullet in the books - he went h2h with supes and handled his vision without his hammer! obviously he respected thor the character. i'd guess thor had some more inconsistency in his portrayal, is all, and when 2 beings are as evenly matched as thor and supes, even minor things can be seen as difference makers. i'm only speculating, of course, but what ISN'T specualtion is that in busiek's mind, supes came out on top.

Thor is not slouch either. He can lose. But i don't think he'll lose to Supes at least not badly. I have done my research both online, comics and ppl working in comics shops. Thor can withstand a great amount of beating remember Thor#37? Thor totally held back and i really mean totally held back against the Destroyer powered by Designate the Supreme. Destroyer tapped into Designate's infinate power, it was the most powerful version of the Destroyer. Thor was all bloodied, broken hand and broken jaw. Even lost his hammer to that monster, all Thor did was to get Mjolnir back in a shuffle. The Watcher was worried that Thor might enter into battle mode and kill Destroyer and thus destroying Terene the Designate 4ever. You talk abt supes holding back. Well Supes did not have a history of a total holdback, Thor did and he withstand it. The only time Superman got beaten up like Thor in this comic was against Doomsday but Supes fought back gave everything and he died. Thor can take a beating better than Superman. Now this shines some light on the durabily of these two.

with Mjolnir: Thor 7/10
without Mjolnir: 5/10