Originally posted by olympian
"Not quite they are not canon, try and understand "Can be Squadron Supreme too.
Ah what the heck, let it be cannon.
I want to see in a Marvel comic the old Avengers showboating how they beat the alien.
It took all the Avengers taking him unawares 🙂
They are soooooooooooo brave🙂
Originally posted by olympian
It wasent alllllllllllllllll the Avengers and you know it!!Just the strongest ones 😖hifty:
Tho each Avenger charged into him without knowing another would want it too.
Great minds think alike Whirly.
So all the strongest cowards jumped him unawares is what you saying, whilst he wass eulogising Thor and checking he was OK, how brave 🙂
Unaware of what the others would do yes. They didnt planned the gang beating. Each one saw Thor down and wanted to beat hm.
Dont feel bad for Supes being gangbeat. He liked it. 😉
Cowards? Like Superman using hv when Thor had him in the ropes? yup.
" checking " Thor eh.......Lois, Lois you just dont do your work at home.
52 pages? Are we all mad? I cant even remember if I've posted to this thread so I may be repeating myself. Sorry if I am.
Superman seems on average to be somewhat stronger and significantly faster and more durable than Thor. Thor is much more versatile if he uses his hammer to the fullest. Superman is also more vulnerable to magical attacks than other forms of harm.
They both have plenty of feats over the years where they go way beyond their normal power levels, but you don't see these guys whupping Celestials or Impirex on a dayly basis. Those sorts of battles are the exception rather than the rule. They're both sooo powerful and closely matched that whichever one fights smarter or is luckier should win.
JLA/Avengers actually illustrated this quite well. In the initial skirmish, Thor's mega-windup-mystic-energy-slam actually downed Superman for a moment. In a one-on-one bout where Thor could've followed through he could've won that matchup. Later, when he just tries to slug it out, Supes (rightfully in my opinion) edges him out.
Sure, at their "ultimate viscious potential" Superman could speedblitz Thor or Thor could use Mjolnir to rip out Superman's energy field like he did to the Presence (Marvel's Russian, not DC's manifestaton of God), but that's not the way these characters normally operate.
Eegad folks, don't take this so darn personally.
Hey, who's fighting? I'm just talking, here!
I'm not questioning what happened in Avengers/JLA; Thor and Supes are very closely matched, and have abilities the other doesn't. It was plausible that Supes edged out the victory (just barely, he admitted); Thor's temper, making him lose focus, has cost him in the past. Just don't tell me that's how it goes down in every future matchup forever on - Thor is immortal and knows how to wait and learn from mistakes. And is not like Supes can't be outfoxed - how does Batman stay one step ahead all the time? This is why most people grade this matchup like say, best out of ten.
Remember, Ali didn't win the first time against Joe Frazier, but he learned and rematches were different.
Over to you, Whirly. 😄
P.S. Don't worry about the pages. Have you looked in Juggernaut vs. Hulk? 245 and counting. Egads. 🤪
Originally posted by roughrider
Hey, who's fighting? I'm just talking, here!
I'm not questioning what happened in Avengers/JLA; Thor and Supes are very closely matched, and have abilities the other doesn't. It was plausible that Supes edged out the victory (just barely, he admitted); Thor's temper, making him lose focus, has cost him in the past. Just don't tell me that's how it goes down in every future matchup forever on - Thor is immortal and knows how to wait and learn from mistakes. And is not like Supes can't be outfoxed - how does Batman stay one step ahead all the time? This is why most people grade this matchup like say, best out of ten.
Remember, Ali didn't win the first time against Joe Frazier, but he learned and rematches were different.Over to you, Whirly. 😄
P.S. Don't worry about the pages. Have you looked in Juggernaut vs. Hulk? 245 and counting. Egads. 🤪
JLA / Avengers is the only cross company collaboration excepted as happening in continuity by both companies.
Easy really 🙂 If you can show scans or sites showing the others are in continuity that changes everything.
I'm betting unlike this JLA/ Avengers, you cannot🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
JLA / Avengers is the only cross company collaboration excepted as happening in continuity by both companies.Easy really 🙂 If you can show scans or sites showing the others are in continuity that changes everything.
I'm betting unlike this JLA/ Avengers, you cannot🙂
hey wait a sec i have this book entilted marvel universe where it states the crossover marvel and dc had the fan vote one. yep it states it just like but better just likr the jla/avengers crossover was stated in the avengers handbook. and right now i can't be bothered to scan it 2 reasons.
1.the book is very large and big perhaps even bigger than my scanner.
2. just lazy i might scan it on friday
but marvel or dc for that matter hasn't really formally stated that the jla crossover was continuity.
i got this conspiracy that dc had the whole jla/avengers "conan"thing planned for thier egg arc. and thst they new hulk would slap supes so they didn't have in properly featured in it or have him go up ainst hulk when he saw him 😛
i got this conspiracy that dc had the whole jla/avengers "conan"thing planned for thier egg arc. and thst they new hulk would slap supes so they didn't have in properly featured in it or have him go up ainst hulk when he saw him
lets retype that
got this conspiracy that dc had the whole jla/avengers "conan"thing planned for thier egg arc. and thst they knew hulk would slap supes so they didn't have hulk properly featured in it or have him go up aginst hulk when he saw him
On a couple of side notes, Wizard did a Thor v Supes article and Wizard editors unanimously voted Thor. Not King Thor either.
Second, some people have wondered early on why writers didn't have Thor fight Gladiator to respond to JLA/Avengers. The thing is they've done that before already and Thor simply was going down a path that had no room for Gladiator (King Thor storyline and then Ragnarok). Back in Galactic Storm, Eric Masterson fights with Gladiator in a pretty awesome battle. Glads is thinking Thor is a Kree spy and is using the full gamit of powers you'd think Supes would use including freeze breath, super speed (running and flying), and some serious feats of super strength. They literally lock hands and wrestle each other and the planet they're fighting on can't sustain the tremendous strength and they head towards the center of the planet.
Masterson Thor is getting knocked for a freaking loop and eventually is able to use Mjolnir to redirect Living Lightning into Gladiator for a sucker punch. This stuns Glads for one second and Thor goes all nuts on him and whacks on him so much because he's thinking about his son and Gladiator's not caring about innocent people. Vision and Wonderman have to restrain Thor from killing him by reasoning with him.
If you kind of pull this scenario towards immortal Thor vs Superman, you could see Thor taking out Superman. All he's gotta do is stun him with a few magic lightning bolts which Thor can summon easier than most people spit and start going to town on Supey's face with Mjolnir. He himself has god magic flowing through him also even without the Odinforce as many people saw in the Ragnarok finale where Thor was stripped of the Odinforce and forced to fight as usual.
Also, I think Thor and Hulk is a poor scenario to use in this instance. Thor and Hulk trade battles a lot. Lot of people cite some better known Hulk victories, but think about just in the King Thor storyline where Dr Strange strips Thor momentarily of the Odinforce. Hulk and Thing go to town on him and Thor eventually beats them both without Mjolnir.
Oh, and if I were writing the fight... I would imagine that Thor would be using a lot of Mjolnir to help him keep up with Supes. Especially in terms of blocking heat vision, summoning lightning and magic blasts. Supes would see that and try to wrest control of Mjolnir. And as most people have seen, in the end, Superman cannot hold it up. He'd be so surprised he can't lift it, Thor would take advantage and press on til he gets the upperhand.
I mean, Supes ain't dumb, he's gotta know that Mjolnir is a formidable weapon and he would definitely go for it right? Oppurtunity for the son of Odin to whack Supes something fierce in that single moment.
Although in the end, I could see Supes taking the battle a few times. After all, people have beaten and been beaten by teh same people. Who's to say that Thor can't get a few in and Supes can't get a few in?
Edit: By the way, all that being said... if it was King Thor, Supes wouldn't stand a chance in hell.
I go with Superman. He could speed biltz Thor (who will be swinging alot faster than Hulk and Juggs), he could use Heat Vision as a distance attack just like Thor could with his lighting, he could use Ice Breath to freeze his arms that whould give him some time to knock his weapon away or blast him with Heat Vision.