Thor vs Superman

"I'm not trying to compare, my point was that Superman doesn't drain as easily as he use to"

He shouldnt either.

Thor however does have the power to do so. Same with Surfer. And on a higher level than MJ.

"Superman wasn't going all out though and if I remeber from that crossover, Heat Vision was hurting Thor."

He wasent going all out 😄 ?

His universe at stake and fighting someone who made him bleed the first time?

That he had MM`s help to take on the said foe?

That has strenght to go toe to toe with him and a uber magical weapon to boot?

That had him on the ropes before resorting to HV?

That was shot at close range?

And saying in the end barely standing out he was his thoughest foe and not having the strenght to fight back against the Avengers assault?

Not going out? Where was it stated huh. haha Hilarious.

"Heat Vision was hurting Thor"

He wasent down or knocked out. He was fighting.

And unless his breath attack changed to being more powerful than his HV its not happening.

So, this is still going on?

Superman is more powerful than Thor.

Mjolnir is more powerful than both.

Superman won the fight, nuff said. Besides, it was close.

However, it was only one encounter. Superman winning in one fight doesn't mean he'll whup Thor every time they meet. Wait for the next crossover, and see the results of that one.

I'll stand by my opinion that Thor has the edge in this fight, simply because of Mjolnir. Superman can't match Mjolnir's power. Therefore, I conclude that Thor armed with Mjolnir would win more than his share of these fights.

It's like two championship boxers fighting, except one has an AK-47.

Originally posted by doctorstrongbad
Are will still doing this debate? Ugh... Thor wins he is a god. SuperMan is an alien. God beats alien. k?

Ok, that's only the 1,000,000,000,001st time that statement has been made.

Superman has beaten gods in the past, so that isn't a great argument.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman won the fight, nuff said. Besides, it was close.

However, it was only one encounter. Superman winning in one fight doesn't mean he'll whup Thor every time they meet. Wait for the next crossover, and see the results of that one.

I'll stand by my opinion that Thor has the edge in this fight, simply because of Mjolnir. Superman can't match Mjolnir's power. Therefore, I conclude that Thor armed with Mjolnir would win more than his share of these fights.

It's like two championship boxers fighting, except one has an AK-47.

And I say Superman has a better edge since his speed is far greater than Thors and he doesn't have to worry about losing his weapon.

Originally posted by olympian
"I'm not trying to compare, my point was that Superman doesn't drain as easily as he use to"

He shouldnt either.

Thor however does have the power to do so. Same with Surfer. And on a higher level than MJ.

"Superman wasn't going all out though and if I remeber from that crossover, Heat Vision was hurting Thor."

He wasent going all out 😄 ?

His universe at stake and fighting someone who made him bleed the first time?

That he had MM`s help to take on the said foe?

That has strenght to go toe to toe with him and a uber magical weapon to boot?

That had him on the ropes before resorting to HV?

That was shot at close range?

And saying in the end barely standing out he was his thoughest foe and not having the strenght to fight back against the Avengers assault?

Not going out? Where was it stated huh. haha Hilarious.

"Heat Vision was hurting Thor"

He wasent down or knocked out. He was fighting.

And unless his breath attack changed to being more powerful than his HV its not happening.

And yet Superman beat him in a fare fight in the end. As I stated above his speed kills, his Heat Vision is a good offense and I still think Supes could freeze Thor's arms taking away his Hammer.

And yes I do think his Ice Breath whould work on Thor.

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Originally posted by dvampire
And I say Superman has a better edge since his speed is far greater than Thors and he doesn't have to worry about losing his weapon.

Far greater is a bit of a hyperbole. Thor's no slouch in the fighting speed department. In the past, he's fought so fast that he was invisible to his opponent.

Superman could certainly get a few wins by taking away Mjolnir while Thor's dazed, but considering the weapon's versatility, Thor losing his weapon isn't very probable. Thor rarely drops Mjolnir.

Originally posted by dvampire
And yet Superman beat him in a fare fight in the end. As I stated above his speed kills, his Heat Vision is a good offense and I still think Supes could freeze Thor's arms taking away his Hammer.

And yes I do think his Ice Breath whould work on Thor.

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Nice scan. That shed a lot of light on Superman's super-breath. It would be a good offense, but I think Thor's speed is often underestimated. He's not a speedster, but when it comes to a fight, he can move blindingly fast.

If you look up a few of Mjolnir's properties, there are many answers to Superman's offenses as well.

any marvel vs dc comic book u see that superman goes at one of the marvel guys. of course there always gonna put superman to win cause hes the most popular guy and all that

Originally posted by cybermaster
any marvel vs dc comic book u see that superman goes at one of the marvel guys. of course there always gonna put superman to win cause hes the most popular guy and all that

And is not a good argument rather it's more of a excuse.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Far greater is a bit of a hyperbole. Thor's no slouch in the fighting speed department. In the past, he's fought so fast that he was invisible to his opponent.

Superman could certainly get a few wins by taking away Mjolnir while Thor's dazed, but considering the weapon's versatility, Thor losing his weapon isn't very probable. Thor rarely drops Mjolnir.

People keep forgetting - Superman can't take mjolnir away; he isn't worthy enough to lift it. He can't even knock it away from Thor, because it just returns to Thor's hand. That hammer is part of his body; that's it.
Superman heat-visions him, Thor absorbs it with mjolnir, and blasts it back at him several fold. And maybe uses the occasion to suck the solar energy from him. Super-breath? Thor calls upon the storm to blow it back. Freezing breath? Thor likes the cold. Calls lighting down to blast it apart; maybe even blasts Supes with the mystic lighting while he's trying. Speed-blitz attack? Thor's hammer-whirling can be an impenetrable defense.
Who's the last person to dodge a thrown mjolnir? Hard to do, when it travels faster than light.
And finally - Godforce blast. Superman can't answer that.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That isn't always true.

And is not a good argument rather it's more of a excuse.

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Originally posted by cybermaster
i wasnt making an excuse. and ive never seen any comic book where a marvel guy beats superman. even though there are many that can beat him. i seriously they would ever put any cause most everyone in this world votes for him. but ive never seen that picture before of venom slashing superman. where the hell did u get that ?

It was from one of the Access crossovers.

Originally posted by roughrider
People keep forgetting - Superman can't take mjolnir away; he isn't worthy enough to lift it. He can't even knock it away from Thor, because it just returns to Thor's hand. That hammer is part of his body; that's it.
Superman heat-visions him, Thor absorbs it with mjolnir, and blasts it back at him several fold. And maybe uses the occasion to suck the solar energy from him. Super-breath? Thor calls upon the storm to blow it back. Freezing breath? Thor likes the cold. Calls lighting down to blast it apart; maybe even blasts Supes with the mystic lighting while he's trying. Speed-blitz attack? Thor's hammer-whirling can be an impenetrable defense.
Who's the last person to dodge a thrown mjolnir? Hard to do, when it travels faster than light.
And finally - Godforce blast. Superman can't answer that.

glads knocked it away pretty easily -- it returns when thrown. doubtful thor could absorb the solar rad from kal. if he could, he could easily do the same to the silver surfer. breath could certainly work though it would only be a delaying tactic and i'm not sure what good it would do. his hammer does NOT move ftl -- at least it almost NEVER does.

used to be i said supes would take the majority, but i've argued for thor so many damn times recently in threads and did a lot of rereading, that i have wavered slightly. i have always LOVED both characters and i'm forced to revise my estimate to 50/50. i truly can see why both sides are arguing for their hero, but imo this is just too damn close to call. gods, i feel like a pussy . . .
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Energy absorbtion is why I've been stymied on Thor-Silver Surfer matches in the past. What can you do to the other?
Thor absorbing solar energy from Superman may still be theory - we all absorb the sun growing up, it helps us grow - but new perspective on scientific basis of Kal's powers backs it up. Shows a direct relation between solar energy and heat-vision; Kal absorbing the sun energy builds in his system, actually making it neccessary to dump it out periodically AKA heat vision. People used to think he shouldn't have this power, but this makes sense for it.

Bottom Line THor lost. No matter what you say should happen or what Thors hammer is capable of doesn't change the fact supes won.This fight is starting to sound like superman vs. mjolnir.

Originally posted by superbatman86
Bottom Line THor lost. No matter what you say should happen or what Thors hammer is capable of doesn't change the fact supes won.This fight is starting to sound like superman vs. mjolnir.

Originally posted by superbatman86
Bottom Line THor lost. No matter what you say should happen or what Thors hammer is capable of doesn't change the fact supes won.This fight is starting to sound like superman vs. mjolnir.

in a way it is. supes beats thor without mjollnir almost every time (unless thor gets a bearhug and can use godflorce).

the hammer IS the difference in this fight. and even i (a former staunch supes backer) will admit thor was not written very well in the fight.

but you're right, supes did win. i wonder who will be left standing after their next go 'round . . .

and roughrider -- i might concede your point, but in the past thor has needed to have energy shot at him to absorb it. he did that to the presence. i've argued FOR thor against the ss for this reason. i don't think he could simply walk up and absorb his energy though. if it's shot at him (via heat vision, perhaps) thor MAY be able to absorb and KEEP absorbing. that's what i've said thor could do to ss, but that attack is very loose speculation, though there IS at least one precedent for something like it happening.

You could be right - if Superman uses heat vision, that may be proper time to try it. We don't know.
Thor could have tried it in their fight, but instead got angry and waded through the heat vision, to show he could take it. Except he left himself open to Supes counter-punch, when he likely thought he had Kal where he wanted him. Thor getting angry and arrogant has cost him in the past, but he learns from his mistakes. That's why he remarks in issue #4 he has taken Superman's measure, and a rematch may well hold suprises for the Kryptonian.

And if a rematch crossover did happen - I want a four-way teamup of Superman, Thor, Captain Marvel, and Beta Ray Bill!

You could argue Thor wasn't well-written, and its just part of crossover politics, making everyone look good. The tradeoff perhaps was Superman being unable to lift mjolnir later. But he could be worthy enough to.

Originally posted by roughrider
You could be right - if Superman uses heat vision, that may be proper time to try it. We don't know.
Thor could have tried it in their fight, but instead got angry and waded through the heat vision, to show he could take it. Except he left himself open to Supes counter-punch, when he likely thought he had Kal where he wanted him. Thor getting angry and arrogant has cost him in the past, but he learns from his mistakes. That's why he remarks in issue #4 he has taken Superman's measure, and a rematch may well hold suprises for the Kryptonian.

And if a rematch crossover did happen - I want a four-way teamup of Superman, Thor, Captain Marvel, and Beta Ray Bill!

You could argue Thor wasn't well-written, and its just part of crossover politics, making everyone look good. The tradeoff perhaps was Superman being unable to lift mjolnir later. But he could be worthy enough to.

You could argue Superman wasn't well written in the crossover as well. He was TOTALLY out of character the whole time, and fought fairly brainless as well. Here is a guy who at the time was pure enough to survive the light of heaven but at the end a bitter Odin decided to enchant Thors hammer so Supes couldnt wield it anymore.