Thor vs Superman

Nobody is taking away what superman has done and who he fought, but to say Thor is a push over and Superman abilities is greater Thor is utter bullsh** and insulting. Thor is not your average god he is hybrid god son of Odin and Gaea his powers are devine itself and greater than supermans. No doubt it will be a battle but superman couldn't withstand earth shatter hits from the hammer or thetrue from it if Thor cut lose, Superman and Thor can fight for hours but superman will start to get tired as where Thor has fought for months against a skyfather, it all possible Thor can go warrior madness on superman in the heat of battle and warrior madness is Thor true ability he he is not holding back.

Darkseid and Asmodel........ Superman didn't hold his own. Holding your own implies a good showing. Thats not what happened. All he did was manage not to be killed by the fatal hand. Holding your own is what happened with Diana and Superman in Sacrifice. Asmodel vs Blue Superman was no such incident. But he didn't die against him i concede. Due to his energy form i personally believe.
Darkseid beaten by Superman on both accounts is pis. Superman reflecting Omega Beams with hv is terrible writing, and Diana deflecting the omega beams is just as bad. Finder beams which zip around obstacles can't simply go around her gauntlets or totally bypass her completely?? Even so, when reflected, they didn't just turn around and continue zipping after superman?? Bad examples Avy.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Darkseid and Asmodel........ Superman didn't hold his own. Holding your own implies a good showing. Thats not what happened. All he did was manage not to be killed by the fatal hand. Holding your own is what happened with Diana and Superman in Sacrifice. Asmodel vs Blue Superman was no such incident. But he didn't die against him i concede. Due to his energy form i personally believe.
Darkseid beaten by Superman on both accounts is pis. Superman reflecting Omega Beams with hv is terrible writing, and Diana deflecting the omega beams is just as bad. Finder beams which zip around obstacles can't simply go around her gauntlets or totally bypass her completely?? Even so, when reflected, they didn't just turn around and continue zipping after superman?? Bad examples Avy.

^^^Eaxctly, at that is pis at it higheat form. Superman and Wonder Man should be dead by now.

"Thor has had trouble with the side of a building."

And superman with planes and the "Daily Planets" building globe.

"Neither character used their full potential. Supes did not use any Superspeed, full heat vision, full strength, vibration, torquasm vo, freeze breath...etc."

Thor didnt used godforce, gosblast, time stop, time travel, energy absorsion, magic lighting, didnt shielded himself against the HV, didnt teleported etc.

While they didnt showed ALL they`r abilities, the ones they -used wer used without restraining-.

That excuse that both wer holding back doesnt apply, they wer figthing for the survival of theyr own universe. Doesnt make any sense whatsoever that they wer all holding back. Not a single one of them.

About the Hv: care to explain why it wasent "full force" when he used it while being in the ropes and angry?

"In a serious battle, Thor would not have a chance. Supes speed/Strength advantage is too great. He'd be KO'd before he had a chance to do anything."

What example does he have of raw strenght without boosting himself up that makes him stronger than a guy who pulled The Midgard Serpent off Earth? Or that moved the World Engine?

About the rest...ah the memories.

here we go again:

He time stops Supes, blasts him with a enough powerful attack and Supes its dead before he knows it. Hows this fanboy answer to this comment?

The reason debates of such characters clashes like Thor/Hulk/Superman/WW/Hercules/CaptainMarvel are never answered its because none are obvious. Those " he wouldnt have a chance in a serious fight" dont work when all those characters, Superman included, have had problems with far less powerful foes.

On average, you dont need to be Flash fast to tag Superman. On average, Supes doesnt speedblitz anyone. On average, Thor doesnt time stop anyone. On average, WW doesnt show to have high durability. On average, Hulk doesnt get on a level where he pulls a stunt like clapping a cosmos.

Such an easy thing to see.

On average Superman commonly does speedblitz.
He just spins in a circle and accomplishes whatever.

On average would mean the whole post crisis, not just the recent years. So no, he doesnt commonly speedblitz. Wonder Woman even less. Average means pulling usually something off.

Like HV.

Originally posted by olympian
On average would mean the whole post crisis, not just the recent years. So no, he doesnt commonly speedblitz. Wonder Woman even less. Average means pulling usually something off.

Like HV.

I already explained what commonly means. Its not doing it frequently in post crisis history. Its simple.

Originally posted by olympian
I already explained what commonly means. Its not doing it frequently in post crisis history. Its simple.

And also, we do consider characters in current incarnations unless otherwise specified, regardless.

Originally posted by olympian
He time stops Supes, blasts him with a enough powerful attack and Supes its dead before he knows it. Hows this fanboy answer to this comment?

i can field this one without donning the fanboy hat -- thor CANNOT stop time. nor can he time travel. that ability was removed from his hammer -- by immortus i believe. can't recall the exact issue, but i could find it if i needed to. which i don't believe i do . . .

the rest of your post i pretty much agree with. this would NOT be an 'easy' fight for either.

Originally posted by leonidas
i can field this one without donning the fanboy hat -- thor CANNOT stop time. nor can he time travel. that ability was removed from his hammer -- by immortus i believe. can't recall the exact issue, but i could find it if i needed to. which i don't believe i do . . .

the rest of your post i pretty much agree with. this would NOT be an 'easy' fight for either.

The hammer does have anti matter abilities though .... appprently ?

Supes wins cos he's slightly better at everything and has a massive advantage in the durability department.

I think Thors durability is massively overated !!!!!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The hammer does have anti matter abilities though .... appprently ?

Supes wins cos he's slightly better at everything and has a massive advantage in the durability department.

I think Thors durability is massively overated !!!!!

anti-matter? 😕

as far as the durability -- while i think it's closer than you do, i also give supes the edge in that department.

Originally posted by leonidas
anti-matter? 😕

as far as the durability -- while i think it's closer than you do, i also give supes the edge in that department.

Supes vs Thor it never gets old does it? 😖hifty: 😉

I want to tell you all a secret 😉

Supe Wins!!!!! 😉

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
The hammer does have anti matter abilities though .... appprently ?

Supes wins cos he's slightly better at everything and has a massive advantage in the durability department.

I think Thors durability is massively overated !!!!!

11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor. Thor has survived each of these highly Lethal attacks, and most of the time have come out unscathed. A) Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana's LIGHTNING bolts. B) Thor withstood a barrage of ARTILLARY fire with ease, and a Heat Seeking Missile- see Thor#480, and Thor-#247; C) and in the J. Kirby's days Thor used to test his invulnerability by having a Cobalt Bomb explode next to him. D) Kang’s Dissolution blast to the EXTREME did not fell Thor-Avengers-#143, and in Avengers-#295 Mechanosaurus struck Thor with a Megahertz Artillery fire that would easily destroy any vehicle to pieces- with no visible effect on Thor (Note: even bullets from a powerful sub-machine gun can’t hope to accomplish the same amount of penetration or destruction that could a Megahertz artillery attack by Mechnanosaurus). In Avengers-#5-pg 20- it explicitly stated that nothing, not even an ATOMIC BLAST could injure Thor, or his hammer. E) Thor resisted the full power of the Man from Saturn’s Graviton ray-Thor-#255. F) Thor withstood the Thermal Man's HEAT blast that could melt Tanks instantly, also, Thor was insensitive to the Lava Man's attack- see Avengers #5. In addition, Thor withstood a direct hit by Firelord’s Cosmic Flame with absolutely no dire visible effect on him- Thor-#306, and Ghost Rider’s Flame proved to be totally ineffectual against Thor, as well- Avengers-#214, and when the Planet Ego raised his internal heat temperature to the EXTREME, it had no affect on Thor-See Thor-#133. G) Thor was unaffected by an Alien Freeze Ray-Avengers-#14 (vol.1). H) In terms of indescribable sheer Magical, and Cosmic power, for instance, Thor was just temporarily stunned by Ego’s pulsating energy attack that would, physically, have rendered AN ENTIRE RACE UNCOUNSCIOUS- Thor-#133. In addition, Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor's invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun's core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288.

Originally posted by Hit and Run
According to the invulnerability section of this page, Thor has survived a planet-destroying bomb as well as attacks from Zeus and Odin, so if anything, his durability is underrated.
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040224214306&q=oliv

11) INVULNERABILITY: The following are historical examples of incredibly devastating forces that has been used against Thor. Thor has survived each of these highly Lethal attacks, and most of the time have come out unscathed. A) Thor has been on the receiving end of Zeus and Blitziana's LIGHTNING bolts. B) Thor withstood a barrage of ARTILLARY fire with ease, and a Heat Seeking Missile- see Thor#480, and Thor-#247; C) and in the J. Kirby's days Thor used to test his invulnerability by having a Cobalt Bomb explode next to him. D) Kang’s Dissolution blast to the EXTREME did not fell Thor-Avengers-#143, and in Avengers-#295 Mechanosaurus struck Thor with a Megahertz Artillery fire that would easily destroy any vehicle to pieces- with no visible effect on Thor (Note: even bullets from a powerful sub-machine gun can’t hope to accomplish the same amount of penetration or destruction that could a Megahertz artillery attack by Mechnanosaurus). In Avengers-#5-pg 20- it explicitly stated that nothing, not even an ATOMIC BLAST could injure Thor, or his hammer. E) Thor resisted the full power of the Man from Saturn’s Graviton ray-Thor-#255. F) Thor withstood the Thermal Man's HEAT blast that could melt Tanks instantly, also, Thor was insensitive to the Lava Man's attack- see Avengers #5. In addition, Thor withstood a direct hit by Firelord’s Cosmic Flame with absolutely no dire visible effect on him- Thor-#306, and Ghost Rider’s Flame proved to be totally ineffectual against Thor, as well- Avengers-#214, and when the Planet Ego raised his internal heat temperature to the EXTREME, it had no affect on Thor-See Thor-#133. G) Thor was unaffected by an Alien Freeze Ray-Avengers-#14 (vol.1). H) In terms of indescribable sheer Magical, and Cosmic power, for instance, Thor was just temporarily stunned by Ego’s pulsating energy attack that would, physically, have rendered AN ENTIRE RACE UNCOUNSCIOUS- Thor-#133. In addition, Thor withstood blast by Odin-Thor-#241, by the Celestials-Thor-#300, and by a space Armada-Avengers-Annual#7. However, the three most impressive testimony events that showed Thor's invulnerability, however, was when he, almost, took a direct hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion Thor felt from space to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Also, Thor resisted the weight of Multitude of Planets-Thor Annual-#9, and the Gravity of a Neutron Star-Thor-#282. The other event took place when Thor paid an uninvited visit to ATUM in the Sun's core. If you think that this wasn’t enough, Thor has survive incredible physical punishment by the likes of the Destroyer, Durok, the Mangog, Surtur- Thor-#351, by the Devourer-Marvel Two In One-#23, The Thermal Man, Terminus, the 300,000 ft. tall Rhun god when he swatted Thor aside-Thor#220, and the Celestial- The One Above All- when he not only swatted Thor aside, but did hurled at him unnumbered tons of delicate machinery at him with no significant adverse effect on Thor-See Thor-#288.

hmmmm no Million Nukes or Black holes though 😉 Oh and he has been shot several times and stabbed with normal blades. 😬

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
hmmmm no Million Nukes or Black holes though 😉 Oh and he has been shot several times and stabbed with normal blades. 😬

I don't know if Thor's durability is as good as Superman's durability, but I do believe they are much closer than some other people think; at least on par.

Originally posted by Hit and Run
It does seem pretty inconsistent, but like I said before, so are WW's and Lobo's durabilities.

I don't know if Thor's durability is as good as Superman's durability, but I do believe they are much closer than some other people think; at least on par.

Nah strength (maybe) Thor has less high end feats, speed (no way), durability (no way).

Real "Thor" if you remove his toys is just not in the same ballpark as Supes with his toys it's close, but Speedblitz owns, i'm afraid.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nah strength (maybe) Thor has less high end feats, speed (no way), durability (no way).

Real "Thor" if you remove his toys is just not in the same ballpark as Supes with his toys it's close, but Speedblitz owns, i'm afraid.

Also, like I've stated, Thor has shown the ability to swing his hammer around and send opponents through a rift in an instant (Thor #185), so I don't believe speed-blitzing would be as easy as you claim.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
Nah strength (maybe) Thor has less high end feats, speed (no way), durability (no way).

Real "Thor" if you remove his toys is just not in the same ballpark as Supes with his toys it's close, but Speedblitz owns, i'm afraid.

Totally agreed my friend ....

Supes would not be knocked over by the likes of the Thing, Wrecker and Iron man (except for maybe Hulk buster punch)

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Totally agreed my friend ....

Supes would not be knocked over by the likes of the Thing, Wrecker and Iron man (except for maybe Hulk buster punch)

Got to love Iron Man and his hulkbuster punch!!