Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by spideycarnage
yeah hmm about that..thor is not the hulk.. super wont beat thor like he did against hulk..thor is probally has the same strength as supes.. he's deffinalty a better figher than superman, with his thousands of years of warrior combat, he's a god (that has to stand for something) oh yea, hes also packed with magic!!!!!!!!

click this link even wizard agrees that thor will beat supes
http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10List.htm

I think the two are pretty evenly matched. Who wins would only depend on daily form, surroundings, and of course the author...end.

Originally posted by thesilverspider
That list is out dated and bogus Hulk wouldn't even make the top ten earth hero's......

yeah he does...being a hero's dosent have to do with how strong or wat powers oneself has, a great hero is a person that can utilizes his strengths to do good. and i think hulk falls into that category. check out his respeck thread and be amazed, hes done so much in the years to gain the respect to be put in the top ten comic book heros club.

Originally posted by spideycarnage
yeah he does...being a hero's dosent have to do with how strong or wat powers oneself has, a great hero is a person that can utilizes his strengths to do good. and i think hulk falls into that category. check out his respeck thread and be amazed, hes done so much in the years to gain the respect to be put in the top ten comic book heros club.

It's still bogus.

Superman vs Doctor Stranger
But even if he bounced off an initial deflective shield, no way can Doc get a bead on him for a direct attack

Originally posted by MuffinmanMike
It's still bogus.

This assumes the good doctor doesn't just slow time down(same with Flash). I'm sure he's used a similar spell in his lifetime. That and it doesn't need to be "direct". Once again, I'm sure Supes could be taken down with a radial magic burst.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
... or a spell that has no spacial orientation at all. He could use a spell that simply affects the one upon which it is cast; there's nothing to dodge, Doc casts it and it affects the target.

Exactly. All Dr.Strange could want is "Superman". He doesn't need to find and look for Supes. Just say that's who he wants the spell to hit. Magic doesn't abide by the laws of physics.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I'm sure you would like to, but he isn't even fast enough to catch bullets.

Thor beats him into a bloody pulp.

Superman can't catch bullets? Yet Spider-Man can. Ha!

Anyway, if someone is bringing up the JLA/Avengers crossover where Thor lost to Superman, everyone knows that was one of the biggest PIS machine stories of all time. Thor's strength IS on par with Superman, folks. Although Glads is a bit stronger, it isn't by much. However, the might of Mjolnir's magic would fry Superman like a hot dog at a Chicago restaurant. Also, Thor's godlike abilites allow him to fight on par with Superman, so this one goes to thor eight out of ten times.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Superman can't catch bullets? Yet Spider-Man can. Ha!

Anyway, if someone is bringing up the JLA/Avengers crossover where Thor lost to Superman, everyone knows that was one of the biggest PIS machine stories of all time. Thor's strength IS on par with Superman, folks. Although Glads is a bit stronger, it isn't by much. However, the might of Mjolnir's magic would fry Superman like a hot dog at a Chicago restaurant. Also, Thor's godlike abilites allow him to fight on par with Superman, so this one goes to thor eight out of ten times.

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Superman can't catch bullets? Yet Spider-Man can. Ha!

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanAC835.jpg
(Study this pic closely. Then think about how fast Superman is.)

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman can catch bullets like nothing. Imagine if he used this hand speed to b!tchslap Thor simultaniously?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupermanAC835.jpg
(Study this pic closely. Then think about how fast Superman is.)

Speaking of b!tch slapping....

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Originally posted by Femi32
Speaking of b!tch slapping....

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Thor just cannot handle that kind of fighting speed. He may be able to dodge a few of those punches but he will get nailed in the end.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's a bad@ss pic there dude. It shows superspeed and how good his microscopic vision is.

Thor just cannot handle that kind of fighting speed. He may be able to dodge a few of those punches but he will get nailed in the end.

I'm not saying he'd win necessarily, but I do believe that it could go either way.

Originally posted by Hit and Run
You make it sound like Thor will just be standing there and letting Supes attack him. Thor has shown that he can detect speedsters (like Hermes) and like I've already said, he has also shown that he can swing his hammer and utilize its powers in an instant. He's stalemated Zeus for days as well, so I don't see Superman putting him down very quickly.

I'm not saying he'd win necessarily, but I do believe that it could go either way.

I say Supes 6/10.

"But he has, and does do it frequently.

And also, we do consider characters in current incarnations unless otherwise specified, regardless"

See how you answered my question, Juntai? Before Loeb came around Supes did not used speedblitz frequently. Thats how much of the post crisis history?

Likewise Thor does not pull a Godforce frequently either. I count everything thats in continuity. Thors and Superman`s alike. Only problem being, DC made it clear to separate post crisis with the rest. Marvel did not.

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"can field this one without donning the fanboy hat -- thor CANNOT stop time. nor can he time travel. that ability was removed from his hammer -- by immortus i believe. can't recall the exact issue, but i could find it if i needed to. which i don't believe i do . . ."

I mentioned what i saw on his run. First time i saw it being used was in Journey to Mistery #122, where Thor travels into the future of the Earth.

Cant recall that Imortous incident, if it even happened. I find it more likely the following writers not using it, because its a cheap power than something specifically.

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"the rest of your post i pretty much agree with. this would NOT be an 'easy' fight for either. "

Maybe i go too much overboard, but i just find the notion of the top tier battles "easy" being that ridiculous.

With these powerhouses, easy its something that doesnt exist.

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"Nah strength (maybe) Thor has less high end feats, speed (no way), durability (no way). Real "Thor" if you remove his toys is just not in the same ballpark as Supes with his toys it's close, but Speedblitz owns, i'm afraid."

On the contrary. With his "toys" just like Captain Marvel (even moreso) Thor has the definite edge.

Without them hes rougly in the same ballpark. Its never too late to remind that Thor`s, major strenght feats/High ends wer without use of his hammer and his powers.

- Strenghtmatch with Hercules in the mountain top

- Pulling the Midgard Serpent off Earth

- Moving the World Engine

Those are the ones i consider his more profiled strenght feats. In all those he was never boosted up, and in one of those (world engine) he wasent at his peak.

I dont say my opinion that Thor is stronger "just because". I say it because of what ive seen, he does better without extras.

If i wanted to use stuff hes done without hammer, but not used frequently i could go with "he still packs alot of power" examples: The Godblast in the end of his last series and the universe shaking thermo blast he used when he first met Ego (The mighty Thor: King Size Special #2).

But i dont. Why? Because in continuity he didnt used those alot. Like Speedblitz.

And Thor took a nuke blast in the last series under Jurgens, no?

But there's a feat Superman has over Thor.
Knocking him out.
😉

I didnt said, he had NONE, Juntai. Credit where is due 😉

While i belive Thor -is- stronger, the difference between them its minimal, meaning any of the two can win.

Originally posted by olympian
"can field this one without donning the fanboy hat -- thor CANNOT stop time. nor can he time travel. that ability was removed from his hammer -- by immortus i believe. can't recall the exact issue, but i could find it if i needed to. which i don't believe i do . . ."

I mentioned what i saw on his run. First time i saw it being used was in Journey to Mistery #122, where Thor travels into the future of the Earth.

Cant recall that Imortous incident, if it even happened. I find it more likely the following writers not using it, because its a cheap power than something specifically.

if it happened? 😕

it DID happen. i wanna say thor 280- ish. thor had to save a planet and the only way to do it was to drain his hammer of it's time travel powers. i think some tiny power remained but thor ended up using THAT up as well.

not sure if that's the exact issue, but i can say definitively that thor CANNOT time travel any longer, and has not had the ability in a long time.

I have a theory which is not going to be popular .... Does anyone else reckon that Franklin Richards may not have mayed Thor as powerful as he used to be, b4 Heroes Reborn and Onslaught ?

Leonidas, i checked that. Immortus did indeed do it. Props to you, man.

Originally posted by Juntai
But there's a feat Superman has over Thor.
Knocking him out.
😉

One problem, nimrod. You forgot to factor in something. Oh, what's it called? Oh yeah!

P.I.S.!

Do some research on that fight. Thor had every advantage that he needed to defeat Superman, yet Superman wins? Thor would slaughter him! Lest we forget that he has MAGIC on his side, meaning Superman is laying dead on the floor.

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