Originally posted by xJLxKingErr... well I can see that in a comic, Superman might have the chance against a Skyfather level foe. After all, he's single-handedly fought that level of opponent several times. But in a KMC battle? I'm hardpressed to think of a single way Superman could take out the top skyfather. Maybe appeal to Thor's stubborness and shame him into fighting him mano-y-mano? Thor's been quite stubborn and has in the past, resorted simply to brawn. But at the same time, Thor has risen above that sort of macho slugfest and gone all god-like on his opponents.
Most of the versions of superman can defeat Thor with or without odin force
As Odinforce Thor so far, he just lets loose. As King Thor, he was downright ruthless and megalomaniacal with his power. As current Thor he doesn't seem to have any problems holding back. Do you really think that Superman would ever have a chance against Odin? I mean, that's pretty much who Odinforce Thor is right now. Even Surfer + Thanos didn't do much against Odin and only managed to piss him off.
Go the macho character exploitation route, might net him 1 out of 10... but I don't see how a speedblitz takes down the strongest Skyfather there is. I mean, I argue against speedblitzes all day long anyway, and maybe its just my general opinion, but at the Skyfather level, speedblitzes just kinda don't do it for me. And I didn't read the latest from Death fo the New Gods, only the first four issues... but did Superman use a speedblitz against Infinity Man to great effect there? People seem to be using his performance in that as an argument in this thread a lot?
Originally posted by Avlon
An unknown degree of strength is something that Thor has currently. He surely hasn't shown anything comparable to Supes since his rebirth...I know infinity man took planet busting shots and took Superman very seriously. Apparently Metron believed in Supes as well. It still took the ALE to defeat IM.
Nigh infinite levels...like a certain infinite guy with the sources power. I think I've seen that before.
Once again I gave Thor credit for his versatility BUT the big difference is that he would be KO'd or too busy trying to defend himself to use any of it.
That and the fact that your "one dimensional" guy is faster, stronger, has caught Thors hammer with one hand, can vibrate intangible through blasts, and feign invisibility from speed alone. Then there is that wonderful attack that taps into his opponents power source and let's Supes choose the battle conditions.
Even if we ran with the unproven Thor amp, I would imagine that would be mighty difficult for him to do when he's basically frozen in time as a statue compared to his opponent from the beginning.
Wait... a logical fallacy that he didn't amp up when he was killing new gods easily... and then you are trying to debate with examples where THOR hasn't amped up in a fight in the way that you want at all?
Bordernline hypocrisy right there.
Strangely enough Superman has been attacked by many many powerful beings and things...and has never lost an arm.
Average kryptonian>>>>Average Asgardian. Just putting things into perspective.
Common sense would tell you that Superman has tons and tons of speed feats in many different scenarios where Thor has almost none.
The example you are trying to pass off (which is still from ODIN and not THOR) is not even a good one. Nothing was said of speed and magic was used apparently. In the old days of comics..narration would have handled that.
Surely if it's commonplace you can come up with tons of examples of Thors awesome speed.
The only comical thing is Thor being compared to Supes physically. He needs a hammer and now the Odinforce just to have a decent debate.
Even with that he's outmuscled and outsped.
All the versatility in the world isn't going to help you if your opponent is literally hundreds to thousands of times faster than you and stronger to begin with. There are tons of guys that are far more versatile than the Flash but would lose to him...
Standing still the guy (Supes) can crack a moon, add speed to that and it's just adding far more power exponentially to the hits.
I'll leave it alone at this... it is pretty obvious that it's an excuse fest at this point for Thor.
Val, you're smarter than you're putting off. At Base we know how strong Thor is, at least we've seen what he's capable of accomplishing at base. Add that to his ability to amp his physical attributes and you pretty much eliminate any questions of his physical prowess.
Proof of these planet busting shots?
Which again, has nothing to do with IM's physical attributes.
Whom to my knowledge didn't use his power to amplify his physical abilities. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Avlon you're taking this Superman hype to the extreme. You believe Superman's going to to casually knock out someone whom at base has taken the disentigrator beam head on to no ill effect, been in prolonged battles with Celestials, went head on with a bomb that was capable of destroying a planet, taken blast that were the equivalent to an exploding sun as if it were nothing, battled a Skyfather for months, amongst a host of other things? If so, you're delusional.
Again, being faster is his only advantage. That's it, and that's all you can prove. Faster. Which again, can be negated by Thor's ability to amp his physical attributes.
Please don't tell me you wish to compare abilities. Please don't.
BTW, if were using JLA/Avengers as actual evidence this should create some laughter. Thor one shots Doomsday whom at one point killed Superman.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/avengersjla004033.jpg
You're honestly arguing that a speedblitz is going to knock off a skyfather? A speedblitz?
Which again, has nothing to do with his physical attributes.
Thor has amped his physical attributes, why you keep ignoring this is beyond me.
But you don't know how Thor lost his arm so....
Which again, has no relevance to this thread. I could just as easily say Odin >>>>>>> All Kryptonoians, but what relevance would it have to the discussion at hand? None.
Thor can and has dealt with speed.
He sidesteps his hammer at the last second which is known for it's FTL trajectory.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-11.jpg
He humiliates Hermes.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-07.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-08.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-09.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-10.jpg
A feat Digimark previously alluded to.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfer1wp5.jpg
So no, Thor doesn't have a plethora of speed feats but he's done just enough to show he can handle the speed of top tiers. Is Kal faster? Sure. I'm not arguing that point. But will it make a big difference in this fight? Not really.
Just keep ignoring the Odin Power. It'll make no difference what so ever in this fight.
Well if that isn't a poor argument I'm not sure what is. He needs a hammer. So what? Surfer needs the Power Cosmic, and Kyle needs his power ring. Does it take away from what they've done and can do with that power? No.
Kal's faster. That's it. You aren't going to prove that Kal's strength is superior to Thor to the point where it makes an actual difference in a fight. Especially when he has WM, and the Odin Power to fall back on.
This is astonishing.
Originally posted by Larceny
Val, you're smarter than you're putting off. At Base we know how strong Thor is, at least we've seen what he's capable of accomplishing at base. Add that to his ability to amp his physical attributes and you pretty much eliminate any questions of his physical prowess.Proof of these planet busting shots?
Which again, has nothing to do with IM's physical attributes.
Whom to my knowledge didn't use his power to amplify his physical abilities. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Avlon you're taking this Superman hype to the extreme. You believe Superman's going to to casually knock out someone whom at base has taken the disentigrator beam head on to no ill effect, been in prolonged battles with Celestials, went head on with a bomb that was capable of destroying a planet, taken blast that were the equivalent to an exploding sun as if it were nothing, battled a Skyfather for months, amongst a host of other things? If so, you're delusional.
Again, being faster is his only advantage. That's it, and that's all you can prove. Faster. Which again, can be negated by Thor's ability to amp his physical attributes.
Please don't tell me you wish to compare abilities. Please don't.
BTW, if were using JLA/Avengers as actual evidence this should create some laughter. Thor one shots Doomsday whom at one point killed Superman.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/avengersjla004033.jpg
You're honestly arguing that a speedblitz is going to knock off a skyfather? A speedblitz?
Which again, has nothing to do with his physical attributes.
Thor has amped his physical attributes, why you keep ignoring this is beyond me.
But you don't know how Thor lost his arm so....
Which again, has no relevance to this thread. I could just as easily say Odin >>>>>>> All Kryptonoians, but what relevance would it have to the discussion at hand? None.
Thor can and has dealt with speed.
He sidesteps his hammer at the last second which is known for it's FTL trajectory.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-11.jpg
He humiliates Hermes.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-07.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-08.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-09.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-10.jpgA feat Digimark previously alluded to.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfer1wp5.jpg
So no, Thor doesn't have a plethora of speed feats but he's done just enough to show he can handle the speed of top tiers. Is Kal faster? Sure. I'm not arguing that point. But will it make a big difference in this fight? Not really.
Just keep ignoring the Odin Power. It'll make no difference what so ever in this fight.
Well if that isn't a poor argument I'm not sure what is. He needs a hammer. So what? Surfer needs the Power Cosmic, and Kyle needs his power ring. Does it take away from what they've done and can do with that power? No.
Kal's faster. That's it. You aren't going to prove that Kal's strength is superior to Thor to the point where it makes an actual difference in a fight. Especially when he has WM, and the Odin Power to fall back on.
This is astonishing.
A long post that still falls in circles.
Kal is WAY faster. Gorilla Grodd and Captain Boomerang have dealt just fine with the Flash, however in here, we all know that Flash could destroy them effortlessly. It's not different here with Supes and Thor.
Nobody is ignoring the Odin power, yet you have yet to prove anything with it and even prove that he would get a chance to use it. You had to resort to ambiguous Odin "feats" to try to make an argument.
Kal's taken multiple OE shots, and been blasted by the sun eater while he was weak. The destroyer shots are nice feats, but it's nothing that Supes hasn't dealt with at some point. If you want feat wars, that's fine. We both know Supes has tons and tons of over the top ridiculous feats in and out of battle that RELATE to battle.
Ignore how Supes handles top tiers when he needs to handle business all you want. He's still faster, stronger, and more durable... no matter how you paint it...and that's how the battle ends.
Originally posted by Larceny
Val, you're smarter than you're putting off. At Base we know how strong Thor is, at least we've seen what he's capable of accomplishing at base. Add that to his ability to amp his physical attributes and you pretty much eliminate any questions of his physical prowess.Proof of these planet busting shots?
Which again, has nothing to do with IM's physical attributes.
Whom to my knowledge didn't use his power to amplify his physical abilities. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Avlon you're taking this Superman hype to the extreme. You believe Superman's going to to casually knock out someone whom at base has taken the disentigrator beam head on to no ill effect, been in prolonged battles with Celestials, went head on with a bomb that was capable of destroying a planet, taken blast that were the equivalent to an exploding sun as if it were nothing, battled a Skyfather for months, amongst a host of other things? If so, you're delusional.
Again, being faster is his only advantage. That's it, and that's all you can prove. Faster. Which again, can be negated by Thor's ability to amp his physical attributes.
Please don't tell me you wish to compare abilities. Please don't.
BTW, if were using JLA/Avengers as actual evidence this should create some laughter. Thor one shots Doomsday whom at one point killed Superman.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/avengersjla004033.jpg
You're honestly arguing that a speedblitz is going to knock off a skyfather? A speedblitz?
Which again, has nothing to do with his physical attributes.
Thor has amped his physical attributes, why you keep ignoring this is beyond me.
But you don't know how Thor lost his arm so....
Which again, has no relevance to this thread. I could just as easily say Odin >>>>>>> All Kryptonoians, but what relevance would it have to the discussion at hand? None.
Thor can and has dealt with speed.
He sidesteps his hammer at the last second which is known for it's FTL trajectory.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-11.jpg
He humiliates Hermes.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-07.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-08.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-09.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thor_vol2-509-007-10.jpgA feat Digimark previously alluded to.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=surfer1wp5.jpg
So no, Thor doesn't have a plethora of speed feats but he's done just enough to show he can handle the speed of top tiers. Is Kal faster? Sure. I'm not arguing that point. But will it make a big difference in this fight? Not really.
Just keep ignoring the Odin Power. It'll make no difference what so ever in this fight.
Well if that isn't a poor argument I'm not sure what is. He needs a hammer. So what? Surfer needs the Power Cosmic, and Kyle needs his power ring. Does it take away from what they've done and can do with that power? No.
Kal's faster. That's it. You aren't going to prove that Kal's strength is superior to Thor to the point where it makes an actual difference in a fight. Especially when he has WM, and the Odin Power to fall back on.
This is astonishing.
Brilliant post.
Originally posted by Avlon
A long post that still falls in circles.Kal is WAY faster. Gorilla Grodd and Captain Boomerang have dealt just fine with the Flash, however in here, we all know that Flash could destroy them effortlessly. It's not different here with Supes and Thor.
Nobody is ignoring the Odin power, yet you have yet to prove anything with it and even prove that he would get a chance to use it. You had to resort to ambiguous Odin "feats" to try to make an argument.
Kal's taken multiple OE shots, and been blasted by the sun eater while he was weak. The destroyer shots are nice feats, but it's nothing that Supes hasn't dealt with at some point. If you want feat wars, that's fine. We both know Supes has tons and tons of over the top ridiculous feats in and out of battle that RELATE to battle.
Ignore how Supes handles top tiers when he needs to handle business all you want. He's still faster, stronger, and more durable... no matter how you paint it...and that's how the battle ends.
Im not going to join in at the moment but as far as I can see you seem to be ignoring his relevant points. Im going to sit back and watch this for a while before joining in.
Energy durability is not physical blunt durability. Thor is the god of thunder, he must be able to take some energy blasts. But this has nothing to do with blunt force trauma.
And just because Thor fought people who can go fast doesn't mean he can deal with Superman's speed. The people he fought didn't even use any speed against him. And if they did Thor wouldn't have survived.
Why is this thread still continuing anyway? Oh I know. Thor has the Odin force now and he didn't when the thread was created. But the OP assumes classic Thor. Thus if someone wants to argue current Thor then they must create a new thread. Otherwise, we are talking about classic Thor and not current.
With that said, Superman easily beats classic Thor by speed blitz combo. Now open a new thread (current Thor vs. Superman).
Originally posted by AJ 009Actually there is evidence. Cause after that hit Doomsday is not seen on panel again while Thor is. So that means there can only be two outcomes from that panel.
Shut the **** up. dohNo way did he one shot Doomsday, there is no evidence to say that, he hit him away, who knows what could have happened. 🙄
Also a weaker Superman got killed.
Stick to Thor me thinks. 🙂
So either Thor one shots him or Doomsday runs away from Thor like a coward. Seeing as Doomsday is not a coward I would say Thor one shotted him.
If you want more evidence look all the other villains. Every single one of them was being one-shotted by the heroes in some shape or form. Why would Thor be the exception to this rule in the comic.
Originally posted by h1a8Since when has Thor ever been taken out via a speedblitz anyway? Classic Thor takes it to Superman as well. Odinforce Thor pitted against Superman is just plain spite.
Energy durability is not physical blunt durability. Thor is the god of thunder, he must be able to take some energy blasts. But this has nothing to do with blunt force trauma.And just because Thor fought people who can go fast doesn't mean he can deal with Superman's speed. The people he fought didn't even use any speed against him. And if they did Thor wouldn't have survived.
Why is this thread still continuing anyway? Oh I know. Thor has the Odin force now and he didn't when the thread was created. But the OP assumes classic Thor. Thus if someone wants to argue current Thor then they must create a new thread. Otherwise, we are talking about classic Thor and not current.
With that said, Superman easily beats classic Thor by speed blitz combo. Now open a new thread (current Thor vs. Superman).
Originally posted by Avlon
A long post that still falls in circles.Kal is WAY faster. Gorilla Grodd and Captain Boomerang have dealt just fine with the Flash, however in here, we all know that Flash could destroy them effortlessly. It's not different here with Supes and Thor.
Nobody is ignoring the Odin power, yet you have yet to prove anything with it and even prove that he would get a chance to use it. You had to resort to ambiguous Odin "feats" to try to make an argument.
Kal's taken multiple OE shots, and been blasted by the sun eater while he was weak. The destroyer shots are nice feats, but it's nothing that Supes hasn't dealt with at some point. If you want feat wars, that's fine. We both know Supes has tons and tons of over the top ridiculous feats in and out of battle that RELATE to battle.
Ignore how Supes handles top tiers when he needs to handle business all you want. He's still faster, stronger, and more durable... no matter how you paint it...and that's how the battle ends.
I don't believe it does.
Again, as I've pointed out, Kal is faster. However it's not enough so to make an actual difference in battle. You can ignore that fact that Thor's dealt with numerous top tiers that have in fact used speed in battle. You can ignore the fact that at one point Thor's even humiliated Hermes, and has in fact shown reflexes to deal with FLT projectiles. I'll go the logical route, Thor's capable of dealing with Kal's speed.
What's funny is Mjolnir is faster than Kal, and Thor easily reacts to it all the time.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/IWhomTheGodsWouldDestroy-35.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/IWhomTheGodsWouldDestroy-36.jpg
Oh and BTW, Thor's made sonic Booms with combat speed.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/Thorspeed.jpg
What's left to prove? He's used the Odin Power to amplify his physical attributes.
He'll be able to use it. I believe you should be more worried about proving Superman's going to start the battle out with a speedblitz, something I don't believe he's ever done. Assuming we're using forum rules, he would be fighting in character.
Now Superman can defeat the Destroyer?
If you wanna feats War you won't win. I'm not bringing various, ambiguous speed feats. I'm coming armed with feats displaying Thor warping the universe, busting Celestial armor, nearly killing Galactus, etc.
I'm not. However I believe that accusation does fit you quite well.
Unfortunately for your argument, this isn't DC comics. This wont be a physical battle, and even if it were Thor would likely win. He'd simply amplify his physical attributes beyond those of Kal's and put em to work.
