Originally posted by Larceny
I haven't yet read the comic. I'll look into it though, there's likely more to the story than what your giving off. If not, my sincerest apologies.Not when your opponent can amp his or her speed to whatever they desire.
That's pretty much it. There wasn't a whole lot of Supes in the issue. Physically though, he definitely made it clear that if it's physical, he can KO it when needed.
Originally posted by Larceny
actually does. Odin's only capable of doing what he does because of one thing. The Odin Power, the same Odin Power that now resides in Thor. As I've stated before, he's amped his physical attributes before, doing so again should be no problem.
I agree the Odin power is a nice amp for Thor. The question is Thor's experience with it and how much of an actual amp it will be in battle. As stated Superman was beating on a guy who was Thor's superior in every way. Amp that to Superspeed and Thor has a real problem on his hands. Thor still has quite a bit left to prove and show before he can realistically be placed on a tier as of yet.
I do think the fight is more work that it would have been for Supes.
Originally posted by Larceny
Panel they're standing in the middle of a crowd. The next they disappear. The panel shows a bang, and describes the events that are taking place. The next Odin's standing back in the middle of the crowd with a dead Forsung.
That doesn't quite sound like a superspeed amp but it does sound like something I'd like to read.
did you guys see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6EixUZ5bJw&feature=PlayList&p=CD2AFB092E7294B7&index=20
Originally posted by Avlon
That's pretty much it. There wasn't a whole lot of Supes in the issue. Physically though, he definitely made it clear that if it's physical, he can KO it when needed.I agree the Odin power is a nice amp for Thor. The question is Thor's experience with it and how much of an actual amp it will be in battle. As stated Superman was beating on a guy who was Thor's superior in every way. Amp that to Superspeed and Thor has a real problem on his hands. Thor still has quite a bit left to prove and show before he can realistically be placed on a tier as of yet.
I do think the fight is more work that it would have been for Supes.
That doesn't quite sound like a superspeed amp but it does sound like something I'd like to read.
I'll read the comic. However it sounds as if it's a testament to the strength IM lacks as opposed to the strength Superman possess. Either way, there's still a possibility of Thor amping his strength beyond that of Superman.
You may not have noticed, but Thor's had the Odin Power for a good sum of years. Somewhere near a century if I recall correctly. Not that it matters as he mastered that Odin Power before his slumber. A simple amp of physical attributes is simple.
Classic or Current it'd be a test. In fact, currently I doubt Superman poses much of threat.
Considering at base Odin's only slightly above the average Asgardian, an amp is necessary to fight at those speeds.
Originally posted by Larceny
I'll read the comic. However it sounds as if it's a testament to the strength IM lacks as opposed to the strength Superman possess. Either way, there's still a possibility of Thor amping his strength beyond that of Superman.
That is a big if and would have yet to be proven. IM powered by the source was hardly lacking in the physical dept. He was pretty much superior to Thor in every way possible.
Originally posted by Larceny
[B may not have noticed, but Thor's had the Odin Power for a good sum of years. Somewhere near a century if I recall correctly. Not that it matters as he mastered that Odin Power before his slumber. A simple amp of physical attributes is simple. [/B]
What is Thor's greatest feat with it?
Originally posted by Larceny
[B or Current it'd be a test. In fact, currently I doubt Superman poses much of threat.[/B]
I still haven't seen anything out of Thor that Superman hasn't dealt with or beaten in some way, shape, or form. Supes speed, and strength are still more than enough to handle the job.
Originally posted by Larceny
[B at base Odin's only slightly above the average Asgardian, an amp is necessary to fight at those speeds. [/B]
The average asgardian if I remember correctly is nowhere near what an average kryptonians power level is under a yellow sun. Did it show Odin actually fighting at superspeeds?
Originally posted by Avlon
That is a big if and would have yet to be proven. IM powered by the source was hardly lacking in the physical dept. He was pretty much superior to Thor in every way possible.What is Thor's greatest feat with it?
I still haven't seen anything out of Thor that Superman hasn't dealt with or beaten in some way, shape, or form. Supes speed, and strength are still more than enough to handle the job.
The average asgardian if I remember correctly is nowhere near what an average kryptonians power level is under a yellow sun. Did it show Odin actually fighting at superspeeds?
What physical feats did he have? What, in your mind physically puts him over Thor and beyond the limit of the Odin Power?
Destroying Desak/Destroyer with a single hammer toss. Denting and later destroying Cap's shield was also impressive. Rather easily defeating the skyfather Perrikus whom at one point overthrew Asgard.
And you believe Superman is at the penicle of foes Thor's defeated? Far from it. Also, I don't quite get your point. Are you implying that Superman's capable of overcoming the Odin Power?
Which has no relevance to what I stated.
No, but there was no need. It described what happened and blatantly stated their fight transpired across the entirety of the universe, leaving massive collateral damage. Mind you, this all occurred in moments.
Originally posted by Larceny
What physical feats did he have? What, in your mind physically puts him over Thor and beyond the limit of the Odin Power?
I'm not a huge fan of the new gods, however, it took Mr. Miracle with the ALE to destroy him. He was easily killing new gods.
Originally posted by Larceny
Destroying Desak/Destroyer with a single hammer toss. Denting and later destroying Cap's shield was also impressive. Rather easily defeating the skyfather Perrikus whom at one point overthrew Asgard.
Holding a black hole in his hand, physically beating on infinity man, back to back probe busting, taking blasts from the Entropy Aegis and still fighting, physically dominating Dominus, Darkseid. I'm sure there are tons more that I've forgotten.
Some of the speed feats were already stated, so no need to go over that again.
Originally posted by Larceny
And you believe Superman is at the penicle of foes Thor's defeated? Far from it. Also, I don't quite get your point. Are you implying that Superman's capable of overcoming the Odin Power?
He's already overcome the omega power when focused, and my point is more Thor keeping from being KO'd from planet busting hit's at speeds far too high for him to deal with. I don't think anyone is arguing that Thor has more versatility, however, Superman's superior durability, strength, and far higher speeds make the fight go his way.
Right now there is only speculation of what Thor should be able to do, not what he's actually done..and so far it's nothing that superman hasn't generally done under his own power in some shape or form.
Originally posted by Larceny
Which has no relevance to what I stated.
Actually ,it does. You stated average asgardian, I stated average kryptonian.
Originally posted by Larceny
No, but there was no need. It described what happened and blatantly stated their fight transpired across the entirety of the universe, leaving massive collateral damage. Mind you, this all occurred in moments.
That doesn't clearly define speed in any way, particularly for a god of Odin's stature.
Originally posted by Avlon
Right now there is only speculation of what Thor should be able to do, not what he's actually done..and so far it's nothing that superman hasn't generally done under his own power in some shape or form.
Id have to disagree. a lot of what thor has done now cant be done by superman in anyway or form.
since his return, thor has done
1. summon the assgardians back from their human hosts.
2. re-create asgard including all its treasure from nothing then levitating it off the ground and keeping it levitated.
3. summon the mother of all lightnings to smite his enemies.
4. summon the mother of all storms and flood the enitre us (though this didnt really happen i believe, its more of a this is what i'm gonna do if you mess with me stuff.)
5. separate the host soul from the destroyer armor
6. trun into a lame doctor
7. look really fugly
😆
j/k..j/k..couldnt help myself, just had to make an ass of myself.
for the average asgardian comment, i think larceny was pointing out that odin was just a bit more powerful than an average asgardian and all his uber strength, speed, durability feats are due to him using the odin power to amp his stats. if you look at it, thor, having an elder god for a mother, is the most uber asgardian. if all the asgardians were to duke it out using just their base strengh, thor would beat the crap out of all of em, including odin. what makes odin a skyfather is the odin power, which is now thor's to use and command.
but honestly, i dont recall thor using the odin power very creativly like odin did. top of mind, thor just recreated a church, the moon, contained a couple o nuke explossions, busted the destroyer armor with a hammer throw...aaaannndddd....well, thats basically it...o yeah, he summoned a bunch of lobsters for the lobster guy hahahaha
with the odin power, thor should be able to give others the powers of thor (just like brb and red norvel). make crazy armors like the destroyer, etc etc etc.
but then again, thor+full potentail odin power = boring
i sure hope they take away the odin power and just give thor a nice boost/amp. no need to go over board.
Originally posted by Avlon
I'm not a huge fan of the new gods, however, it took Mr. Miracle with the ALE to destroy him. He was easily killing new gods.Holding a black hole in his hand, physically beating on infinity man, back to back probe busting, taking blasts from the Entropy Aegis and still fighting, physically dominating Dominus, Darkseid. I'm sure there are tons more that I've forgotten.
Some of the speed feats were already stated, so no need to go over that again.
He's already overcome the omega power when focused, and my point is more Thor keeping from being KO'd from planet busting hit's at speeds far too high for him to deal with. I don't think anyone is arguing that Thor has more versatility, however, Superman's superior durability, strength, and far higher speeds make the fight go his way.
Right now there is only speculation of what Thor should be able to do, not what he's actually done..and so far it's nothing that superman hasn't generally done under his own power in some shape or form.
Actually ,it does. You stated average asgardian, I stated average kryptonian.
That doesn't clearly define speed in any way, particularly for a god of Odin's stature.
Which has nothing to do with physical attributes, which we're discussing.
Oh, we're talking about feats period? That'll take all day. Be more specific.
You're all over the place here.
Supeman's strength, speed, and durability? Little relevance to someone who's power encompasses a much broader array of abilities. It's funny that you actually believe physical attributes play such a major part in this fight when considering Thor's dealt with foes who's strength, durability, and speed dwarfs Superman's. His own, when stricken by WM Likely transcends Superman's, and if not he can easily amp to match it.
No, we're talking about amping, which Thor has done unless you'd like to write is off as his base. Again, something I doubt you wanna do.
Which was in correlation to Odin, at base, being slightly above your average Asgardian. The Kryptonoian reference has no relevance.
However it gives an idea of the speed they fought at. It gave us a time frame, and it gave us a distance. In the same breathe, it gave an idea of speed.