Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, naah, I dont agree with that. I said combat, not catching bullets because again, people like rogue has caught bullets from machine guns like it aint nothing.

His race with flash, I dont consider that as a combat feat either since, well, the hulk has ran up to 500 mph and his punches/combat speed seems much slower.

I would love to show you scans that gives a indication on how fast a person is fighting.

Take your own advice and show scans of when the **** Hulk has ever run 500 mph before.

Originally posted by h1a8
Character's must fight to the best of their abilities. Superman is not an idiot, he's a genius. That means as long as he shown the smart's to do a tactic he will (statistics don't play a part due to the BEST TO THEIR ABILITY rule).

Supes doesn't vibrate through even 10 percent of the attacks thrown his way. Saying he can avoid all his attacks is another make believe type scenario.

Not in battle he hasn't. But Superman has several times instant appeared by people. But since he is intelligent enough he can do it in battle as well. He can't summon it if he's stunned. And knocking it out is easier than a human taking candy from a baby. waste of time reply. Thor can't flinch when Superman chooses to hit him. BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES remember. It was only to educate the newcomer. You guys are stuck in your ways. He loses because Superman will combo him to ko. [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, but they also fight in character. This isn't Superman's powerset vs. Thor's. for being here as long as you have you'd think you would be more familiar with the rules than you are.

You can't apply one feat, apply to to all ten of their fights, and act as if this has anything to do with them fighting in character.

Ok. You already agreed he hasn't. Point nullified.

You haven't proven he can't. You have stated it, but like usual it's nothing based on the comics.

You haven't proven anything. Ever. 😂

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you go through Thor's respect thread and look at his superspeed feats, I don't see how anyone can claim that Superman will be so damn fast Thor can't possibly react or do anything about it, especially when Superman doesn't have the nessacary feats to support him blitzing/combo-to-koing someone with Thor's reflexes or > than Thor's reflexes.

They are many different levels of superspeed

peak human 30-60mph
enhanced human 60-120mph
.
.
. subsonic speed
... speed of sound
...orbital speed
...subluminal speed
... light speed
... faster than light speed

Thor has super speed but the difference between him and Superman is huge, enough for Thor to effectively be a statue.

Stop comparing Thor's speed to mere humans and then you will understand.

Guess how many times faster is light than the speed of sound?
More than 874,000 times faster.

Thor might have decent reflexes but they would do him no good. Imagine being able to see a bullet in slow motion 5ft from you. You can't move to get out of the way because you are slower than the bullet. Yet you see it. Thus reflexes and speed are two different things. So even if Thor is able to see Superman move (which he can't) he still is too slow to be able to move to defend himself. For he is a frozen statue in time.

Originally posted by carver9
H1A8, I'm still waiting on that faster than light speed combat that you are suppose to be showing me. I swear on EVERYTHING that you'll never find it.

I already showed it yesterday. Search back 4-8 pages you may find it.

Also Superman vibrating through attacks if proof he can move faster than light in battle.

Originally posted by h1a8
They are many different levels of superspeed

peak human 30-60mph
enhanced human 60-120mph
.
.
. subsonic speed
... speed of sound
...orbital speed
...subluminal speed
... light speed
... faster than light speed

Thor has super speed but the difference between him and Superman is huge, enough for Thor to effectively be a statue.

Stop comparing Thor's speed to mere humans and then you will understand.

Guess how many times faster is light than the speed of sound?
More than 874,000 times faster.

Thor might have decent reflexes but they would do him no good. Imagine being able to see a bullet in slow motion 5ft from you. You can't move to get out of the way because you are slower than the bullet. Yet you see it. Thus reflexes and speed are two different things. So even if Thor is able to see Superman move (which he can't) he still is too slow to be able to move to defend himself. For he is a frozen statue in time.

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So you're attempting to use real life science and logic in a hypothetical fight between an alien solar battery and the Norse god of thunder?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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So you're attempting to use real life science and logic in a hypothetical fight between an alien solar battery and the Norse god of thunder?

It's in Thor's favor if we use real life science. If we don't then Superman stomps even worst.

This is because Thor is not known for any type of super speed. But rather strength, hard hitting, thunder, and toughness.

Superman is well known for his insane instant speed. Thus this fight is no contest if it really happened.

No disrespect to Thor, but his creators made him a bit to slow. Gladiator puts up a much better fight against Superman.

Lastly, you and others are hypnotizing yourselves into thinking of what will happen in a comic, where I'm thinking what would happen if I blinked these characters into existence and they fought.

In a comic Superman would win a slight majority as was shown in Avengers crossover. In reality Superman would win all the time due to the combo to ko principle.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already showed it yesterday. Search back 4-8 pages you may find it.

Also Superman vibrating through attacks if proof he can move faster than light in battle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How is that proof?

Think about it. Do you believe one can become intangible by vibrating under the speed of light?

Originally posted by h1a8
It's in Thor's favor if we use real life science. If we don't then Superman stomps even worst.

This is because Thor is not known for any type of super speed. But rather strength, hard hitting, thunder, and toughness.

Superman is well known for his insane instant speed. Thus this fight is no contest if it really happened.

No disrespect to Thor, but his creators made him a bit to slow. Gladiator puts up a much better fight against Superman.

Lastly, you and others are hypnotizing yourselves into thinking of what will happen in a comic, where I'm thinking what would happen if I blinked these characters into existence and they fought.

In a comic Superman would win a slight majority as was shown in Avengers crossover. In reality Superman would win all the time due to the combo to ko principle.

Thor >>>>> Science.

Hell, Superman >>>>> Science.

And you're wrong. Thor is well know for his reaction speed. He's been cited as being as fast or faster than the lightning he commands. Superman is known for being fast sure, but if you want to go that route, he's more well know for sheer movement speed, not combat speed. By comparison, Thor is shown to have FTT and FTL reflexes in comics plenty of times. I'm not disputing that Superman can fight at high speeds, but all these scans of Superman being shown recently is him traveling. In comparison, his combat speed is seldom shown with him being FTL. Again, not claiming he can't do this, but by your own logic, Superman isnt known for what you're claiming he can do.

His creators (Lee/Kirby) made him in response to the Hulk as a potentially more powerful being than him and wiser (in a godly sense) than Reed Richards. Hell, Classic Thor would give Superman a harder fight than his current counterpart would.

And no, we're not. We're taking into consideration Thor and Superman's CHARACTER as well as powerset into account in a forum setting. And a forum setting does not = reality.

Originally posted by h1a8
Think about it. Do you believe one can become intangible by vibrating under the speed of light?

supermans the better fighter (pressure points?), he's faster, he's shown greater striking power, he's smarter, and he's more durable (or at least has better feats of durability)

thor's magical versatility wins him a few, but superman definitely takes the majority.

Originally posted by Trackz
supermans the better fighter (pressure points?), he's faster, he's shown greater striking power, he's smarter, and he's more durable (or at least has better feats of durability)

thor's magical versatility wins him a few, but superman definitely takes the majority.

Thor's best combat feats and power showings make Superman's look inadequate in comparison.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's more powerful(godblast), he has reflexes to match Superman's speed, Thor has greater striking power via the hammer, and he has more battle experience.

Thor's best combat feats and power showings make Superman's look inadequate in comparison.

Prove that Thor has both the reflexes to match Superman's speed and the speed to defense Superman's speed from 5ft away.

Then prove he has the movement speed enabling him to turn around (footwork) if Superman decides go behind him.

Then prove that Thor has the speed to hit Superman.*

*Note: You assumed that Thor is fast enough to contend with Superman but Superman is not fast enough to avoid, evade Thor's attack. This is a double standard and you been caught as bias.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's more powerful(godblast), he has reflexes to match Superman's speed, Thor has greater striking power via the hammer, and he has more battle experience.

Thor's best combat feats and power showings make Superman's look inadequate in comparison.

one blast doesn't make you more powerful overall seeing as it still has to hit superman (and put him down)

he doesn't have the feats to suggest so, i've been through the resect thread.

superman has hit people to other planets, had the shockwaves of his blows crack/blow up planets, thor's striking power even with the hammer doesn't compare.

battle experience doesn't equate to having better skill, which superman has.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How is that proof?

Originally posted by Trackz
superman has hit people to other planets, had the shockwaves of his blows crack/blow up planets, thor's striking power even with the hammer doesn't compare.

If you went through Thor's respect thread like you claimed, you would know that this isn't true.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If you went through Thor's respect thread like you claimed, you would know that this isn't true.

Originally posted by Trackz
i have, and his speed is nothing compared to supermans, he can fly at light speed, and he can throw his hammer at light speed, in terms of reflexes/fighting it's not there

Well, considering I didn't even quote your comment about his speed, that's nice nevertheless. Untrue, but nice.

I was talking about your claim that Thor's, with Mjolnir, striking power doesn't compare to Superman's.

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Thor has both the reflexes to match Superman's speed and the speed to defense Superman's speed from [b]5ft away.

Then prove he has the movement speed enabling him to turn around (footwork) if Superman decides go behind him.

Then prove that Thor has the speed to hit Superman.*

*Note: You assumed that Thor is fast enough to contend with Superman but Superman is not fast enough to avoid, evade Thor's attack. This is a double standard and you been caught as bias. [/B]

I said he has reflexes adequate enough to hit Superman. I never said he was faster than Superman. Ever. Your reading comprehension is called into question.

Originally posted by Trackz
one blast doesn't make you more powerful overall seeing as it still has to hit superman (and put him down)

he doesn't have the feats to suggest so, i've been through the resect thread.

superman has hit people to other planets, had the shockwaves of his blows crack/blow up planets, thor's striking power even with the hammer doesn't compare.

battle experience doesn't equate to having better skill, which superman has.

You're also leaving out the context behind the shockwave feats. Big surprise.

Originally posted by Trackz
flash stated the way he goes intangible is by vibrating his molecules at light speed

Originally posted by Trackz
i have, and his speed is nothing compared to supermans, he can fly at light speed, and he can throw his hammer at light speed, in terms of reflexes/fighting it's not there

Originally posted by Trackz
i have, and his speed is nothing compared to supermans, he can fly at light speed, and he can throw his hammer at light speed, in terms of reflexes/fighting it's not there

Taken from Thor's Revamped Respect Thread, courtesy of OneDumbG0:

Now we all know Thor has stopped bullets and energy beams by spinning Mjolnir around. And it's been argued that he has to do that because he's not fast enough to block them traditionally with Mjolnir or bat them away. After all, he'd require faster than bullet ("FTB"😉 and faster than light ("FTL"😉 combat speed reflexes to do so. However, these next scans should dispel ANY doubt whether he does possess FTB or FTL combat speed reflexes since he deflects bullets and energy blasts by moving or swinging Mjolnir once rather than by spinning Mjolnir. Here, with FTB speed, he deflects two bullets with a single swing way back in Journey Into Mystery #100:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ed03aJIM100.jpg

Here, he blocks a single bullet with the head of Mjolnir before whirling it to create a field in Thor #246:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rspeed13246.jpg

As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts in Thor #270:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rspeed15270.jpg

Far from a one-off FTL feat, he does the same to Mole Man's energy blaster shot in Marvel Two-In-One #96:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...wo-In-One96.jpg

Here, Enchantress shoots a blast at Captain America and Thor reacts with FTL speed to cut off the energy blast in mid-flight, from Marvel Comics Presents #44:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...eed17bMCP44.jpg

Phoenix shoots a telepathic blast at a groggy Thor at the moment Thor's arms are at his side. AFTER the shot is fired and already traveling at him, Thor raises his arms and reflects it back with Mjolnir. Telepathy being instantaneous traditionally (as noted in the narration), we can assume for the sake of argument that it was only traveling at light-speed, making this another FTL feat, from Excalibur #428:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...rspeed18428.jpg

He bats away a possessed Iron Man's repulsor rays in Avengers vol. 3 #3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...vengersv303.jpg

And again bats away ray blasts in a training session in Avengers vol. 3 #23:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...vengersv323.jpg

Those are enough instances of FTL reflexes and feats (though I'm waiting on pins and needles to see the non-sensical rebuttals to more on-panel evidence being shown on behalf of Thor as well as more lack of on-panel evidence in favor of Superman) to warrent that Thor, operating at his best as per the forum rules, can react to Superman in the midst of combat.

I'm sure someone will claim some more bullshit like "well, blocking projectiles is easier than a person's fist" or post a scene of someone like Glads hitting Thor, but at least no one can say he doesn't possess the required reflexes.