Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Taken from Thor's Revamped Respect Thread, courtesy of OneDumbG0:

Those are enough instances of FTL reflexes and feats (though I'm waiting on pins and needles to see the non-sensical rebuttals to more on-panel evidence being shown on behalf of Thor as well as more lack of on-panel evidence in favor of Superman) to warrent that Thor, operating at his best as per the forum rules, can react to Superman in the midst of combat.

I'm sure someone will claim some more bullshit like "well, blocking projectiles is easier than a person's fist" or post a scene of someone like Glads hitting Thor, but at least no one can say he doesn't possess the required reflexes.

It is clear that Thor is fast enough to stop a beam traveling at him from 15ft or more away (thus having light speed reflexes from 15ft away).

This is not quite enough to fight Superman.
Thor would need to react and move to punches moving at least light speed thrown from 5ft away. He would also need to show the ability to stop multiple attacks thrown from different angles (like behind him and such) and show at least light speed movement in pivoting and turning around.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is clear that Thor is fast enough to stop a beam traveling at him from 15ft or more away (thus having light speed reflexes from 15ft away).

This is not quite enough to fight Superman.
Thor would need to react and move to punches moving at least light speed thrown from 5ft away. He would also need to show the ability to stop multiple attacks thrown from different angles (like behind him and such) and show at least light speed movement in pivoting and turning around.

So in all those instances, you're claiming that the beam/projecticles racing toward him are 15ft or more away?

Besides, I've posted scans and proof that Thor possesses FTL reflexes. If we follow the same logic you've implemented for yourself (which is taking into account Superman's traveling speed and strength and reaching the conclusion he can do so in battle and attack from multple angles while simantaneously vibrating in and out - which I have yet to see in the forms of scans and even more importantly, context), then Thor showing that he has reflexes is enough to assume he can use them in battle against a foe who can attack at FTL speed. You can't very well apply stipulations to one character and demand proof while just going off of assumption that one character can based off of word of mouth and personal belief.

The least you can do (or anyone who doubts Thor's reflexes/reaction time) is meet me halfway and display relevant proof to suggest that Superman can move in combat faster than what Thor can react.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Taken from Thor's Revamped Respect Thread, courtesy of OneDumbG0:

Those are enough instances of FTL reflexes and feats (though I'm waiting on pins and needles to see the non-sensical rebuttals to more on-panel evidence being shown on behalf of Thor as well as more lack of on-panel evidence in favor of Superman) to warrent that Thor, operating at his best as per the forum rules, can react to Superman in the midst of combat.

I'm sure someone will claim some more bullshit like "well, blocking projectiles is easier than a person's fist" or post a scene of someone like Glads hitting Thor, but at least no one can say he doesn't possess the required reflexes.

you're going to claim that every energy blast there was travelling at C?

Originally posted by -Pr-
you're going to claim that every energy blast there was travelling at C?

I certainly didn't state that every blast shown was moving at FTL, just that he had shown the ability to react enough times to warrant he does possess the ability to react at said speed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So in all those instances, you're claiming that the beam/projecticles racing toward him are 15ft or more away?

Besides, I've posted scans and proof that Thor possesses FTL reflexes. If we follow the same logic you've implemented for yourself (which is taking into account Superman's traveling speed and strength and reaching the conclusion he can do so in battle and attack from multple angles while simantaneously vibrating in and out - which I have yet to see in the forms of scans and even more importantly, context), then Thor showing that he has reflexes is enough to assume he can use them in battle against a foe who can attack at FTL speed. You can't very well apply stipulations to one character and demand proof while just going off of assumption that one character can based off of word of mouth and personal belief.

The least you can do (or anyone who doubts Thor's reflexes/reaction time) is meet me halfway and display relevant proof to suggest that Superman can move in combat faster than what Thor can react.

None of the scans show FTL reflexes and sufficient speed (Note you need both and not just reflexes). Some show at best light speed reflexes from far away. Remember my sitting duck watching bullet argument?

Thor has never defended against a light speed attack from closer than 20ft without the aid of his enemy telegraphing the attack. Hell, he has never defended against one from close range.

I'm a baseball player (or was) and I can hit 90mph baseballs very well. But in martial arts class, I would get popped by attacks thrown at close distance moving at less speed than 90mph. Also, I couldn't even begin to react to multiple 90mph baseballs coming at me (if that ever happened). This means that Thor blocking an attack from far away doesn't prove he can do so from up close or he can block multiple of them coming at him. Nor does it prove that Thor can turn around/pivot anywhere near the speed of light. Bullets is one thing, light speed attacks is another.

Superman vibrating through attacks proves that he can exceed light speed in battle. Going any slower than light speed the attack wouldn't get through but hit him (because Superman would still be massive). Superman was shown exceeding the speed of his HV with a blitz combo within 5ft distance in an instant. I posted the scan 2 days ago.
Superman was shown to travel to other star systems in a matter of moments. It's a no brainer that Superman is a lot faster.

To make it simple, lets say since Superman is faster he would get the first hit in. After that hit Superman chains in another before the stun effect wears off and continues to form a combo until Thor is koed. Superman wins over Thor a slight majority with that tactic.

Originally posted by Badabing
Resists...urge...to...press...ban...button...

Must...at...least...post...the...dur

LOL, you see, everytime I debate against raoul I almost get banned every time. Thats why I try to limit my debates with him.

What did I do this time bada?

What I say about Superman, I also say about thor (people saying that he fight at light speed. I just dont believe it).

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I certainly didn't state that every blast shown was moving at FTL, just that he had shown the ability to react enough times to warrant he does possess the ability to react at said speed.

but you'd have to quantify the speed of the beams at least some of the time, though, wouldn't you?

Those scans didnt prove that Thor can fight at light speed, imo and nothing has been shown that Superman can fight at light speed either.

I do think that Superman is the fastest out of the two though and THATS what makes this an interesting fight because without the speed difference, it would be a STOMP in thors favor.

Thor can tag Superman though and his hitting power is much higher. Hes also the better fighter out of the two and possess more power than Supes and also has a much higher damage soak.

Thats why I give this to Thor 7/10 because even though I agree that Supes has the edge in speed, I dont think that the edge that he has would give him the majority against a warrior like thor.

Originally posted by carver9
Those scans didnt prove that Thor can fight at light speed, imo and nothing has been shown that Superman can fight at light speed either.

I do think that Superman is the fastest out of the two though and THATS what makes this an interesting fight because without the speed difference, it would be a STOMP in thors favor.

Thor can tag Superman though and his hitting power is much higher. Hes also the better fighter out of the two and possess more power than Supes and also has a much higher damage soak.

Thats why I give this to Thor 7/10 because even though I agree that Supes has the edge in speed, I dont think that the edge that he has would give him the majority against a warrior like thor.

facepalm

Originally posted by -Pr-
but you'd have to quantify the speed of the beams at least some of the time, though, wouldn't you?

I agree with this. Every beam dont move at light speed and then the once that you are claiming that is moving at such speed, you have to have some kind of proof backing that claim up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm

LOL, what did I say wrong this time raoul?

Originally posted by carver9
LOL, what did I say wrong this time raoul?

lets just say most of your post, and leave it at that, shall we?

Originally posted by -Pr-
lets just say most of your post, and leave it at that, shall we?

LOL, I hear ya. I just think that we have two different opinions on the matter and like Jake said, giving anyone of the two a small majority isnt a bad thing so I dont down you for giving Supes the majority, its all your opinion.

THOR got bloodied by osborn
Superman stomps

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, considering I didn't even quote your comment about his speed, that's nice nevertheless. Untrue, but nice.

I was talking about your claim that Thor's, with Mjolnir, striking power doesn't compare to Superman's.

Originally posted by Trackz
thor's striking power feats as well don't compare with supermans, superman punched blackracer and it cracked the enitre planet he knocked lobo into orbit, one shotted wonderwoman from the sun back ot earth, etc. Thor's feats dont compare.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't have to. It's your claim he can't and since you don't ever back up any of your claims let's just say I am not putting up scans backing up my case.

I said he has reflexes adequate enough to hit Superman. I never said he was faster than Superman. Ever. Your reading comprehension is called into question.

I said he is more powerful than Superman. Being more powerful than someone means you are more powerful and you bringing up Superman avoiding his attacks doesn't have anything to do with my claim of Thor being more powerful.

You're also leaving out the context behind the shockwave feats. Big surprise.

Flash is also a lot faster than superman. Based on what?

i never said tried to prove thors wasnt as fast either, i'm saying that thor's speed isn't enough to keep up with supermans in a H2H fight, If they go blow for blow, Superman will win, the wins i think Thor gets are from his magical attacks and blasts that might put Superman down.

Thor hasn't demonstrated anything that really makes him more powerful, he may be more versatile, bt not more powerful, and even if you believe he's more powerful, all of that would be negated if he failed to hit superman with his blasts and such which you believe make him more powerful.

what context? superman was angry at blackracer and hit him (cracker a planetoid), superman was angry at earth-2 superman and hit him (they broke through reality and destroyed earth-2), superman was angry with darkseid and hit him(in one fight hey destroyed a planetoid, in another he knocked him to the sun), etc.

flash being faster has nothing to do with the fact that you need to be moving light speed to vibrate intangible a rocket may be faster than a jet, but they require the same speed to break the sound barrier.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Are you dumb or just plain stupid?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So in all those instances, you're claiming that the beam/projecticles racing toward him are 15ft or more away?

Besides, I've posted scans and proof that Thor possesses FTL reflexes. If we follow the same logic you've implemented for yourself (which is taking into account Superman's traveling speed and strength and reaching the conclusion he can do so in battle and attack from multple angles while simantaneously vibrating in and out - which I have yet to see in the forms of scans and even more importantly, context), then Thor showing that he has reflexes is enough to assume he can use them in battle against a foe who can attack at FTL speed. You can't very well apply stipulations to one character and demand proof while just going off of assumption that one character can based off of word of mouth and personal belief.

The least you can do (or anyone who doubts Thor's reflexes/reaction time) is meet me halfway and display relevant proof to suggest that Superman can move in combat faster than what Thor can react.

Superman wins