Originally posted by abhilegendYes Superman busted through the wall with his hand in a loose grabbing pose. How could I have been so stupid. He also did it with out even being shown touching the wall at all. How could I have missed that.
I've actual comic supporting me. No make up scenario to discuss.The simple fact that you needed to cheerlead vince shows how desperate and herd like mentality you have.
It's cute.
You see how stupid your argument sounds...
Originally posted by bbrem123
Yes Superman busted through the wall with his hand in a loose grabbing pose. How could I have been so stupid. He also did it with out even being shown touching the wall at all. How could I have missed that.You see how stupid your argument sounds...
This is just getting more and more hilarious.
HIGHFATHER, Jove, Zues, Ares and Odin had to merge into one being to blow a hole in the Source wall. But Batman using HIGHFATHERS STAFF alone did it. Seems legit.
Like I said, you can question it being a striking feat perhaps. Maybe a force of will, speed, durability, a combination of things, but that wall exploded from Superman smashing into it.
I dunno if you noticed it, but Superboy Prime was also able to smash through the Source wall, and Superman beat him a few times.
I know your brain is twisted in denial how to reconcile the idea of Superman and Superboy doing what 5 skyfathers had to combine to achieve, but the truth is, the Supermen are just stronger.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was a beacon at the end. Nothing else was even implied.
Originally posted by abhilegendThat's not what I said. It allowed a living person to enter the Source. Read...
Haha, seriously? You just said the staff allowed Superman to be alive.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That the staff didn't do anything special at all. It just opened a boom tube.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It allowed him to converse with Superman. Just converse. He flat out denied that Superman was able to go back to reality through source wall.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, there isn't. He was breaking through the source wall even before he touched the staff.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt brought Superman in. It brought out Highfather(not beyond the wall).
The staff was never capable of freeing someone from the heart of the source.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it provided a tether for Superman who flew from heart of the source to the source wall and in reality.
Originally posted by abhilegendSpace, movement, direction, etc., were all meaningless within the source. The wall cracking and breaking was a manifestation of the act of freeing someone from the Source. It was more a product of the staff's power.
How was he at the source wall when he was sent beyond it again?
Originally posted by abhilegend
And the staff didn't do anything than open a boom tube. A boom tube transported J'onn and Darkseid to heart of source in DC one million too.It's not a special property of the staff.
And for good measure Clark acknowledges the fact that Batman "saved" him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it's a ****ing strawman. Yes, I can. He punched through the source wall when he tethered himself to the staff.You have zero proof and are just butthurt at this point.
And it's not just planetary. It's far beyond any planetary feat.
Get more butthurt.
Here again your original post.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You want power scaling? Here Five Supergirls were needed to pull just Superman out of source wall and make a small fracture in source wall.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16076089/Superman_Batman_25-01.JPG.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16076090/Superman_Batman_25-0203.JPG.htmlSuperman alone destroyed a planet size chunk out of source wall.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner017.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner018.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner021.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view¤t=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner022.jpgThat was after overpowering the pull of Source Wall itself.
That's how you destroy a planet. Not by a puny hammer.
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I mean from there you are already fukkin up. Lol at Superman "alone"? Wtf? Hello.. Staff of unimaginable power apparently flew over your head.
"That was after overpowering the pull of Source Wall itself."
Lol what? When did he do this? I mean where the phukk are you getting this shiet from? The pull of the Source Wall started a few moments after he was beating on Darkseid. While inside, he was flying freely (albeit without actually moving) without any hindrance.
In the end equating this to a planet busting feat is simply retarded. Comic butchery at its finest.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
More than just a beacon.
Never even implied.
That's not what I said. It allowed a living person to enter the Source. Read...
That's what you exactly said.
And it's still idiotic.
If it were so easy to get beyond the wall, many would not have been trapped by the wall.
So you're just discarding what's on panel that it was just a boom tube?
Desperate much?
Yes it did. For him to converse with Superman, it first brought him out of the Source(energies??). Look at the bottom right panel.
They were still in the heart of the source. It allowed Highfather to talk with him.
That's it.
Your claim goes directly against the above scan. The writer through Highfather gave a specific set of laws that govern the world beyond the Source Wall. Movement was meaningless in a world without direction.
Until a direction was provided and Superman flew towards it. You're just looking for excuses right now.
It brought Superman in. It brought out Highfather(not beyond the wall).
So how did it brought Superman beyond the wall?
Moving within the source was meaningless. A tether of sorts, but not the way you are portraying it.
That's why the beacon was necessary for him to move towards the source wall.
Space, movement, direction, etc., were all meaningless within the source. The wall cracking and breaking was a manifestation of the act of freeing someone from the Source. It was more a product of the staff's power.
Hahaha, this is just hilarious.
Where is it even implied that it was due to staff's power?
The staff didn't even act anything neither it has power to free someone from the source wall.
You're just making shit up.
It was an ability of the staff. Not far fetched considering it was described as having unimaginable power and was made from the Source itself.
Then you must have a single scan of it freeing someone from the heart of the source, right?
And for good measure Clark acknowledges the fact that Batman "saved" him.
Yes, he provided the beacon which Superman followed. Without that he would've been lost.
You're still incapable of reading I see.
Lol. You have no proof of him physically punching through the wall.
Of course I have. The wall is breaking while he approached from the heart of the source to the wall and as soon as he tethered himself, it broke apart.
Please show me. Make sure it's not your earlier scans because you won't find it there.
Yeah anything but the actual scans.
Mind you, there is not even a mention of the staff freeing him from the source wall. Or physical manifestation of source wall breaking.
Strawman? Lol I'm telling you straight up he didn't do what you claimed he did.
Yeah, strawman. Just like every time.
Here again your original post.
"Superman alone destroyed a planet sized chunk out of source wall."
I mean from there you are already fukkin up. Lol at Superman "alone"? Wtf? Hello.. Staff of unimaginable power apparently flew over your head.
The staff never did anything but provide a beacon.
Proof of it doing anything at all?
"That was after overpowering the pull of Source Wall itself."
Lol what? When did he do this? I mean where the phukk are you getting this shiet from?
From the comic? He broke free and flew towards the planet. The planet itself got sucked in a few pages later.
Are you blind or something?
The pull of the Source Wall started a few moments after he was beating on Darkseid. While inside, he was flying freely (albeit without actually moving) without any hindrance.
What? The source wall had a timer to start pulling shit in?
This is mind numbing. Straight up.
In the end equating this to a planet busting feat is simply retarded. Comic butchery at its finest.
The desperation to deny all feats from Superman which causes your anus to bleed is just retarded.
Keep bleeding.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Never even implied.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what you exactly said.And it's still idiotic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you're just discarding what's on panel that it was just a boom tube?Desperate much?
Originally posted by abhilegend
They were still in the heart of the source. It allowed Highfather to talk with him.That's it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Until a direction was provided and Superman flew towards it. You're just looking for excuses right now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So how did it brought Superman beyond the wall?
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why the beacon was necessary for him to move towards the source wall.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, this is just hilarious.Where is it even implied that it was due to staff's power?
The staff didn't even act anything neither it has power to free someone from the source wall.
You're just making shit up.
Implied throughout the whole arc what the staff is capable od doing and the type of power it has. Hell the part where Highfather stated right before his meeting with Superman, "I now realize only because of the staff's connection I was brought out" is basically foreshadowing of what was to come and how Clark could escape.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Then you must have a single scan of it freeing someone from the heart of the source, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he provided the beacon which Superman followed. Without that he would've been lost.You're still incapable of reading I see.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I have. The wall is breaking while he approached from the heart of the source to the wall and as soon as he tethered himself, it broke apart.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah anything but the actual scans.Mind you, there is not even a mention of the staff freeing him from the source wall. Or physical manifestation of source wall breaking.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, strawman. Just like every time.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The staff never did anything but provide a beacon.Proof of it doing anything at all?
Originally posted by abhilegend
From the comic? He broke free and flew towards the planet. The planet itself got sucked in a few pages laterAre you blind or something?
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? The source wall had a timer to start pulling shit in?This is mind numbing. Straight up.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The desperation to deny all feats from Superman which causes your anus to bleed is just retarded.Keep bleeding.
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Funny thing is Iirc, you started peddling out these so called "planetary level" feats after around the time of World Shatterer Thor and or Hickman Hyperion... Didn't you go on a propaganda tour for about a year and was constantly embarrassed and debunked? Anyways Supes already has valid ones. No need to reach.
Oh look, we have another forty pages of argument where Celey just whined and moans. This is going to be fun.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's all over the arc brah.What? All I said was it allowed for Superman to bypass the wall
Then post even an allusion of it being responsible for him to be free.
You said it allowed him to live in Source. It's not even worth replying to you at this point.
even though he was a living being. A point Highfather highlighted if you could only read.
Which was due to Source. A boom tube has done this to J'onn and Darkseid before too.
It's nothing special.
It may have been a boom tube, but it was no simple one. In fact it was described as a "Boom tube to end them all!"....
Haha, this is just hilarious. Boom tube to end it all.
http://i.imgur.com/UXQmudH.jpg
Oh right, that must be super duper special boom tube too, right?
No shiet they were still in the source. But it still pulled Highfather out from wherever he was in while in the Source.
How would it pull out Highfather? They were both in source? It allowed them to interact.
That's it.
Yes it allowed for Superman to connect to something. Once the connection was complete, it brought him out. No excuses here, just proper comprehension of scenes.
It never had any such power. You're just desperate at this point.
But yeah, you have lost it at this point.
By Batman forcing him out. Oh and by being made from the Source and having "unimaginable power".
Haha, no. Batman specifically said that it was Superman who was flying.
He never did anything other than holding the staff.
No. The connection was necessary for him to be freed from the Source. While inside, there's no actual wall for him to fly to and break.
Your point? The staff merely provided the connection.
No. What's hilarious is your ridiculous claims like Superman "alone" broke through the wall or "overpowering the pull of the Source".
It's actually from the comic.
Bleed more.
Implied throughout the whole arc what the staff is capable od doing and the type of power it has. Hell the part where Highfather stated right before his meeting with Superman, "I now realize only because of the staff's connection I was brought out" is basically foreshadowing of what was to come and how Clark could escape.
It was never even implied that the staff was capable of freeing Superman. In fact Desaad flat out said that it was impossible for Superman to return.
Highfather was able to connect with Superman. Just like Batman was able to connect with Superman.
The staff acted like a beacon because it was a part of the source wall. Nothing else.
Scan? You don't even have a single panel of Clark punching the Source Wall and you're asking for a scan? Gtfo..
So you have nothing. Good, good.
Funny coming from a guy who gets constantly corrected on bogus claims ever since you started posting here.
Btw he did more than provide a beacon.Show me this planet busting punch. Smh....
Haha, the tears. Oh the tears.
So amusing.
Learn to interpret brah. Everything you need is there.
I don't do what you do. And I already told you he did not do what you're claiming.
Read above and then reread the book.
Now you're just babbling incoherently.
He was freed then flew towards the planet. The planet btw was not far. It had been at the vicinity of the Source Wall for quote some time. The dwarf planet only started being drawn into the wall after Clark's encounter with Darkseid.
http://s1113.photobucket.com/user/abhilegend/media/Superman/Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner021.jpg.html
So you're saying that the source wall had a timer and applied no force on Superman while he was flying and only after Superman reached the planet the timer was activated?
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Any proof that the source wall never pulled Superman now?
Look at your own scan above.
facepalmNah bro.
The only bleeding here is from you.
Again babbling. Good.
Funny thing is Iirc, you started peddling out these so called "planetary level" feats after around the time of World Shatterer Thor and or Hickman Hyperion... Didn't you go on a propaganda tour for about a year and was constantly embarrassed and debunked? Anyways Supes already has valid ones. No need to reach.
I never did.
And this is far better than anything Thor or Hyperion have shown.
And lol @ this chest thumping. Better find the scans of that source wall timer.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Say what? How am I wrong here?
Not necessarily wrong per se, just being a ****, generally.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂If celey had any point, you could say that. At this point it's just 'Unimaginable power" somehow negated Superman's feat and source wall has a timer to pull things in.
You're again reduced to the role of a cheerleader?
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And there you go again.
