Thor vs Superman

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Sad part is I think Carver's interpretation is closer than Abhi's. Lol at another one of his off the wall interpretations. Comics as a medium has seriously passed him by.

Superman's best feat in that arc was retrieving Highfather's staff from the Source Wall when he was being mind controlled by Desaad. Should have brought that up instead of this little fairy tale.

Tell me genius, how was the wall breaking when Superman didn't even reach the staff?

Originally posted by Juntai
You realize Batman wasn't actually there by Clark, right?
he could only see momentarily because of the staff.

Batman weilding the staff and sensing him, he used it as a tether/beacon for the direction back to reality.
Superman flies into wall. Boom, wall explodes.
Batman seeing Clark, thought he was teleported somewhere else, but Bekka tells Batman he was there by her the whole time.

Then the hole in the wall starts pulling in the entire far away planet they were on.

Abhi's interpetation is actually correct.
Not entirely his fault you guys don't understand.

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Originally posted by Juntai
You realize Batman wasn't actually there by Clark, right?
he could only see momentarily because of the staff.

Batman weilding the staff and sensing him, he used it as a tether/beacon for the direction back to reality.
Superman flies into wall. Boom, wall explodes.
Batman seeing Clark, thought he was teleported somewhere else, but Bekka tells Batman he was there by her the whole time.

Then the hole in the wall starts pulling in the entire far away planet they were on.

Abhi's interpetation is actually correct.
Not entirely his fault you guys don't understand.

The laws of the Source were already explained by Highfather. Once in the Source, "All Direction Ends". Movement in a world without direction was meaningless.

Superman being freed from the Source and the consequent breaking of the Source Wall were more a product of the power from Highfather's staff. Remember it was described as a source of "unimaginable power" because "it was made from the Source itself". He also explained to Clark that he was brought out of the Source(enabling him to talk to Clark) because of the staff's connection.

When Batman gripped the staff, he made a connection with Clark. I agree it was a tether of sorts, but there was never really a "wall" to break for Clark while he was beyond the Source Wall. Highfather stated that "There's no end to it. No curves or bubbles or troublesome singularities. Certainly no outlets". So again we go back to the claim that Clark overpowered the pull of the Source Wall and eventually destroyed a planet sized chunk of it as he broke through. If it wasn't clear enough, through the power of the staff was the wall broken and Clark saved. Only the wildest we dreamer of a fan would extrapolate these off the wall interpretations from that scene.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what is sad that you are just Carver lite at this point.

Tell me genius, how was the wall breaking when Superman didn't even reach the staff?
Thorbags are the ****ing worst.

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Guys, any more personal stuff is going to end up with warnings.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You do realize that saying Clark wasn't actually there did not have to be said right?

The laws of the Source were already explained by Highfather. Once in the Source, "All Direction Ends". Movement in a world without direction was meaningless.

Superman being freed from the Source and the consequent breaking of the Source Wall were more a product of the power from Highfather's staff. Remember it was described as a source of "unimaginable power" because "it was made from the Source itself". He also explained to Clark that he was brought out of the Source(enabling him to talk to Clark) because of the staff's connection.

When Batman gripped the staff, he made a connection with Clark. I agree it was a tether of sorts, but there was never really a "wall" to break for Clark while he was beyond the Source Wall. Highfather stated that "There's no end to it. No curves or bubbles or troublesome singularities. Certainly no outlets". So again we go back to the claim that Clark overpowered the pull of the Source Wall and eventually destroyed a planet sized chunk of it as he broke through. If it wasn't clear enough, through the power of the staff was the wall broken and Clark saved. Only the wildest we dreamer of a fan would extrapolate these off the wall interpretations from that scene.

"Unimaginable power" means it was somehow able to break Source wall?

And there never was a source wall? Haha, what? How is the wall breaking here when Superman is reaching towards the staff?

You can clearly see the source wall cracking and light pouring out of the wall in the last panel.

How the hell did the staff broke the wall when the wall was already getting broken?

This nitpicking? It's beyond sad.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Your butchery of scenes knows no bounds.

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
What? How does any of that works?

"Unimaginable power" means it was somehow able to break Source wall?

And there never was a source wall? Haha, what? How is the wall breaking here when Superman is reaching towards the staff?

You can clearly see the source wall cracking and light pouring out of the wall in the last panel.

How the hell did the staff broke the wall when the wall was already getting broken?

This nitpicking? It's beyond sad.
Butchery? There wasn't even an allusion of staff breaking the wall.

facepalm

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Abhi.. Let me put in layman's terms. The staff basically pulled him out. The wall starting to crack during the scene was a physical manifestation of the staff's power. Heck in your scan, do you see Superman physically punching through the Source Wall as the scene was happening? Like this scene, the eventual breaking of the wall was a testament to the power of Highfather's staff. Look at you scans again and realize that once the connection between Batman with the staff and Superman was completed, only then did the Source Wall break freeing Clark.. Seriously man... Carver got right the first time and he doesn't even read Superman comics.

Where was this "physical manifestation" ever even alluded? You're just making shit up at this point.

The art makes it perfectly clear that Superman was breaking through the wall, not the staff.
Heck, you're flat out ignoring the scene where wall is breaking even before he reached the staff.

Whine more. This is just sad.

How was he breaking through the wall, iyo?

Originally posted by -Pr-
How was he breaking through the wall, iyo?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was sent beyond the source wall. He was never entombed there. He was trying to break through the wall but he needed a tether to lock on too.

Did you even read my post?

It took Highfather, Zues, Jove, Aries and Odin combining into one being then finding a weak spot to break a hole in the wall before, but I'm sure Highfather was just ****ing with them. Should have just let Batman use his staff.

I can see both views, but what I see is that he's lost in an endless void, and then when he grabs the staff Batman becomes a beacon, and Superman flies towards it back to reality and explodes through the source wall. Superman's reaching to and touching the staff was a only a visual manifestation of Superman finding reality again and flying at the wall from the other side.

There's nothing suggesting that the staff did any of that besides making the connection.

Soon as he hits the wall on the other side [touching the staff in the representation], his body explodes through it like a bat out of hell.

But Abhi is measuring in terms of destruction on the wall and what it's taken in the past.

I'm not entirely sure it's merely a strength/striking feat in that particular sense, but it's hard to tell.
An incredible feat nontheless.

Maybe part flying feat? Force of will?

Whatever it is, however you view it, blowing a hole through the wall is no minor feat.

Superman is clearly touching the staff there.

What point are you making?

Are you not comprehending?

The staff was a beacon.

That staff is Lightyears away on planet Tartarus in Batman's hand. Superman is inside of the Source Wall.

Batman never left that planet. Bekka says as much.

Superman exploded from the Source wall, then FLEW to the planet to meet them.

Highfather's staff does not have the power to blow apart the Source Wall. He had to combined with 4 other skyfathers just to perform a similar feat.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Did you even read my post?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

So why was your answer to something that I didn't even ask, then?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So why was your answer to something that I didn't even ask, then?

Originally posted by Juntai
I can see both views, but what I see is that he's lost in an endless void, and then when he grabs the staff Batman becomes a beacon, and Superman flies towards it back to reality and explodes through the source wall. Superman's reaching to and touching the staff was a only a visual manifestation of Superman finding reality again and flying at the wall from the other side.

As I explained before, the staff is what ultimately brought him out. Him flying or moving within the Source was useless based on the laws set forth by the writer as explained by Highfather.

Originally posted by Juntai

There's nothing suggesting that the staff did any of that besides making the connection.

Soon as he hits the wall on the other side [touching the staff in the representation], his body explodes through it like a bat out of hell.

We also know that the staff was the very thing that sent him beyond the wall to begin with.

We now know that it has the power to move beings even living ones through the wall(in this case going towards the Source). We also know from the earlier scans that it also brought out Highfather from the Source allowing for their little meeting. The idea that it can pull someone out would then be not far fetched.

In Abhi's scan, Batman is seen struggling and under immense strain while Superman is shown flying towards the staff. He even went further describing as if a current was running through him.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner017.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner018.jpg

If that isn't a depiction of the staff's power coursing through Bruce while he is inadvertently pulling Clark from the Source I don't what is.

Originally posted by Juntai

But Abhi is measuring in terms of destruction on the wall and what it's taken in the past.

I'm not entirely sure it's merely a strength/striking feat in that particular sense, but it's hard to tell.
An incredible feat nontheless.

Maybe part flying feat? Force of will?

Whatever it is, however you view it, blowing a hole through the wall is no minor feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You want power scaling? Here Five Supergirls were needed to pull just Superman out of source wall and make a small fracture in source wall.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16076089/Superman_Batman_25-01.JPG.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16076090/Superman_Batman_25-0203.JPG.html

Superman alone destroyed a planet size chunk out of source wall.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner017.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner018.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner021.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner022.jpg

That was after overpowering the pull of Source Wall itself.

That's how you destroy a planet. Not by a puny hammer.

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Btw I lol'd at his "overpowering the pull of Source Wall" bit.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
So why was your answer to something that I didn't even ask, then?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What?

Read my post, then read your reply. Tell me how it was an answer to my question, please.