Originally posted by dvampire
Magic is not a weakness for Superman either, he just vunerble to magic just like any other person whould be, and those attacks whould hurt Thor as much as it does Supes. And if Supes is fighting series Thor whould never be able to touch him.Superman Man of Steel #127, he fought against three magical gods, and he fought against Blaze. 🙂
Originally posted by Sentry
What's the power of a wizard compared to that of a god? Shazam gets his powers from gods doesn't he? Thor is the god of thunder and lighting. His lightning is chock full of magic. Magic which will render Supes unconscious or even kill him.
Supes took on greater magical attacks than some lighting from his hammer. And Supes can speed biltz and knock the hammer out of Thors hands. If Supes go all out Thor whould never hit him. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
That will also effect Thor too, plus Supes doesn't even have control of his body. 😄 And you only showed have the picture because CM says "it won't kill him, but it'll make you lose your grip!" 🙂
Thor is not weak against magic, does magic hurt thor of course, but Superman is weak against it big difference.
Originally posted by kgkg
Look for the definition of “weakness”.Thor is not weak against magic, does magic hurt thor of course, but Superman is weak against it big difference.
Those magic attacks would do just as much damage on Thor like it does Supes. Supes got hit by the magic a total of nine times and he still was coming at them, and he didn't even have control of his body. Supes can easily biltz Thor or spray him with his Heat Vision. Thor is to slow to keep up with Supes, especially if he decides to go all out. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
Those magic attacks would do just as much damage on Thor like it does Supes. Supes got hit by the magic a total of nine times and he still was coming at them, and he didn't even have control of his body. Supes can easily biltz Thor or spray him with his Heat Vision. Thor is to slow to keep up with Supes, especially if he decides to go all out. 🙂
You said Magic is not superman's weakness --- you got proven wrong
Now as for it would do as much damage on Thor.
Nope Thor's weakness is not magic ( where does it say Thor is weak against magic attacks?)
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I think you should look at the definition of “weakness”
If supes get hurt by Magic doesn't mean thor will feel the same amount of pain.
Originally posted by kgkg
why changing the subject?You said Magic is not superman's weakness --- you got proven wrong
Now as for it would do as much damage on Thor.
Nope Thor's weakness is not magic ( where does it say Thor is weak against magic attacks?)
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I think you should look at the definition of “weakness”
If supes get hurt by Magic doesn't mean thor will feel the same amount of pain.
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Calm down, there's no need to be rude. 🙂
<<As to leo , weren’t you the one that said Thor can beat Gladiator , if so I don't see why he would he have any problem with Superman.>>
i didn't say thor could beat glads - i said he HAS beaten him. in each of their confrontations. 🙂 that doesn't mean glads is incapable of beating thor, but - all your little excuses for him aside 🙂 - he hasn't. i also believe supes would beat glads, of course. he'd hit supes with his best shot, supes would come back looking for more and that little confidence meter would be irrevocably shattered. then supes would proceed to ruin him. not only that, thor has magic on his side, and as has been said a million times, supes is somewhat more vulnerable to magic than other types of attacks. it's why i say this is such a close match and could literally go either way.
then, too, there's also the fact that glads has never been shown to battle at the same speeds supes has been shown to battle at. sure he can fly fast and rush in quick, but he's certainly never done anything like supes did in those doomsday pics i scanned - and that have been re-scanned so many times. yep, if supes and glads fought, glads would be saying the same thing at the end of THEIR fight, he said at the end of his fight with thor - sorry, zaarko, but he was just too powerful for me . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
<<As to leo , weren’t you the one that said Thor can beat Gladiator , if so I don't see why he would he have any problem with Superman.>>i didn't say thor could beat glads - i said he HAS beaten him. in each of their confrontations. 🙂 that doesn't mean glads is incapable of beating thor, but - all your little excuses for him aside 🙂 - he hasn't. i also believe supes would beat glads, of course. he'd hit supes with his best shot, supes would come back looking for more and that little confidence meter would be irrevocably shattered. then supes would proceed to ruin him. not only that, thor has magic on his side, and as has been said a million times, supes is somewhat more vulnerable to magic than other types of attacks. it's why i say this is such a close match and could literally go either way.
then, too, there's also the fact that glads has never been shown to battle at the same speeds supes has been shown to battle at. sure he can fly fast and rush in quick, but he's certainly never done anything like supes did in those doomsday pics i scanned - and that have been re-scanned so many times. yep, if supes and glads fought, glads would be saying the same thing at the end of THEIR fight, he said at the end of his fight with thor - sorry, zaarko, but he was just too powerful for me . . .
Mach 50 vs 100 light speed LMAO nice one leo
World destroying punches will break superman into piece facts are facts.
Loose confidence lol wow that happens all the time ( it rarely happened)
And in this forum battle character can use what they have shown; like I said before maybe you should check the forum rules.
As for Thor he is as strong as thor , supes is weak to magic
Ok, this is starting to get irritating. if so many of you claim that superman is so fast that thor won't be able to stand against him, then why the HELL was wonderwoman able to go toe to toe with superman?
Answer me that people.
Yes supes is really fast, but not fast enough to render other superheroes helpless against him. if wonderwoman was able throw in punches with him, what makes you guys think that thor can't.
and who said that thor can't travel at mach 1 speed? Thor travels space dammit. anyone who can travel and fight in space can definitely reach mach speeds.
why are some people considering thor as weak against punches? he has stood in with hulk, juggernaut, gladiator, morg and a hell lot of other powerful beings and it took some time for him to actually get beat down if he was beat.
you think that supes landing a couple of punches would put him out?
supes may get about 3 punches into thor before thor gets to whack him with the hammer. And i pretty much believe that supes will suffer more from the magical hammer hit than thor would from the couple or so punches.
but anyway back to my original argument. if supes is so damn fast, how come he got hit multiple times from wonderwoman?
I love Superman - but whoever is saying that Superman is NOT weak to magic is getting their facts wrong I'm afraid.... 🙁
If he's really mad then yes - he can ignore ANYTHING, magical or not, that's thrown at him... but he's been to death's door and still not gotten that mad before - it rarely happens.
In Superman and the Phantom Stranger, Superman fights a woman who's been mystically powered by a magic gem - she kicks him about a bit with magic and drains him of life so he's a withered husk... he then snaps her staff and the gems releases all his power back to him.
Then literally as soon as Supes gets back to his apartment after the fight, Phantom Stranger comes to ask Superman for help fighting a magical enemy - Supes tells him to get lost!
He says how he's just as vulnerable to magic as anyone else and that Phanty should go bother Dr Fate or someone who knows how to handle that kinda thing... 🙁 sorry.
HOWEVER - Superman is fast enough AND strong enough AND durable enough AND versatile enough to take out Thor. This is proven.
BUT - it is is also proven that Supes has a weakness to magic that Thor could very well exploit and take a win by.
SCENARIO:
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Superman and Thor are facing eachother across a barren waste...
Winds are howling and storm clouds gather...
The honour of their respective universes hang in the balance as they prepare for the ulltimate showdown... neither knows who the other person is, but both know the seriousness of the ensuing fight...
Superman is sure of himself, confident in his invulnerability, certain of his unmatched strength.
Thor is wiser, older, more experienced - he knows not to underestimate a foe and he charges Mjolnir up with power - it's magic uru metal crackles with thin wisps of bluish lightning...
A crack! Like a gunshot! And Superman launches off the ground and into the air, cape flapping behind, he soars majestically - and overconfidently - trying to get the advantage of height... but leaving himself open...
Being an experienced warrior - Thor siezes his oppurtunity and lets loose with a bolt of lightning against an unprepared foe!
Superman grins as the bolt streaks towards him a hundred feet in the air. CRACK!! He gasps as the lightning strikes and he feels it coursing through his muscles and nerves! No ordinary lightning would feel like this! Pain! But not enough to stop the Man of Steel! He closes his eyes and screams defiance against the agony!
Another mistake...
Thor appears instantly with his godlike speed - directly in front of Superman... Kalel opens his eyes to see a hammer swinging right for his abdomen. Again - the normal reassuring thud of an atack stoppping milimetres from his skin fails to occur... and the hammer crushses with inhuman strength into his stomach - winding Superman badly...
Doubled up in pain, he feels another smashing blow, to his side, and another - this time to the back of his neck... as Thor moves about him and wields his hammer like only an experienced and trained warrior could...
Superman falls - nay, streaks - downwards to the ground.. like a stricken plane... he impacts... the ground splits asunder... and Superman lies there.. curled up, fists clenched... blood trickling from his mouth... but alive...
Thor alights on the ground... at a distance, still wary - but feeling more confident... He advances, hands still curled around his mighty hammer, lightning still crackling about him and fizzing as the first drops of rain start to fall, sporadically, almost as though they too are wary of entering the fray...
He sees his foe move and tenses... Superman rises to his knees, resting with his head bowed, hands palm down on the floor in front of him, cape seared around the edges...
"Dost thou yield...?" Thor waits... "Dost thou yield, honourable foe...? You have proven yourself to have a constitution beyond the ken of mortals - that is enough - do not force me to reveal my true godly power...!"
Supermans head raises... rain drips off his bleeding brow...
His eyes glow with deep red, like infernal fires...
He rises to his feet... unsteady still... he raises his countenance to the sky and sees the sullen grey clouds... drawing in a breath, he let's out a whisper of breath... that builds... to a breeze... a gust.. a gale...
Thor's eyes widen as the very storm clouds themselves biol and seethe before fleeing from such power... the skies clear and the liberated sun beats down... bathing the area with sunlight...
As it dapples Superman's face he smiles...
So many years, so many foes... yet there's always lessons in patience, in humility, to be learned... lessons to make you a better person...
A better warrior...
A better hero...
His cuts and bruises on his face already starting to slowly heal, he brings his gaze back down to the patiently waiting Thor...
"I never yield... I've been battered... and didn't yield... I've been killed... yet still I didn't yield..." He rubs his neck, the sore muscles loosening and starting to throb a little less... "You're a mighty foe, my friend..." He smiles... "But I've got things to do... so it's time I opened the taps a little..."
Thor grins... "Very well! Then let us not waste any..."
BAAM! He's sent skidding backwards on his back... sliding through the mud for hundreds of yards before coming to a rest... against Superman's feet...
"Impressive for a mortal!" Thor smiles - then unleashes a bolt of magical power from his hammer - that flows forth to hit... thin air!
"Missed..." Thor spins and see's Superman standing a distance away... shrouded in the mist that's started rising from the sodden ground... he focuses his eyes to see...
A bright red flash pierces the silvery veil and sets the very air alight around him!
"Gnaah!" Dropping Mjolnir into the mud, he reaches with both hand sot cover his eyes, white dots in his vision, eyes stinging from the shock.
Bang! He's in the air... chin tingling from an uppercut the likes of which he'd never felt before... he lands again in the mud.. on his knees... strokes his chin and laughs... "Well met.... friend...?"
He doesn't know whether his vision is clear or not... he sees Superman standing not far off... but is it him - he somehow flickers in the light... there but... not!?
Mjolnir appears in his hand to his beckoning and Thor charges forwards like a force of nature... Mjolnir sails from his hand and whistles through the air towards Supermans face... a wry grin crosses the Man of Steels features.... and the mystical hammer sails straight through and out the back of his skull... leaving him perfectly intact...
Thor gasps! "What sourcery is this?"
"A wink. "No sourcery bud - just plain old molecular science..."
Ten Superman seemingly appear out of nowhere and strike Thor, seemingly simultaneously - such is the speed of this solar powered soldier...
Thor falls... cowed, but not yet beaten... lying in the mud fifty yards away is Mjolnir... it flies again to it's master's call...
Snaps into his hands, empowering him... Thor stands and lightning crackles about him as he charges up for a mighty blast of Godly power, holding aloft his awesome hammer!
"No chance pal...!"
Kalel grabs at Thors wrists and wrestles his arms down until they stand there, locked together, battling for control of the hammer...
Muscles tensed, grimacing, they're nearly evenly matched in power, the very ground for miles about cracking and straining with the forces being unleashed...
Thor summons magical lightning to crackle about them and watches to see how long Superman can resist the pain raking across his flesh...
Superman smiles... "Not this time, I'm afraid..." With power that moves planets and crushes coal into diamonds, he squeezes Thor's wrists in his hands until.... CRACK!
Whether bone or just the fluids in his joints.... Thor roars and tries to hold onto his hammer... Superman narrows his eyes and struggles against the lightning that courses through him...
Who has the strongest will...?
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Mjolnir falls to the ground... the warriors step back from each other...
Thor falls backwards onto his cape, in the mud, breathing heavily... massaging his knuckles, eyes wide with shock and wonder...
Superman stands, immovable, majestic, steam rising from his singed costume, eyes glowing, breating slow, purposeful...
He steps forwards... his eyes lower to the hammer in front of him...
He reaches down....
Thor frowns... would it be dishonourable to alow a victory by such means... should he stop him....?
Too late... Superman's fingers curl about the mystically carved handle and heft the hammer high above his head...
Lightning strikes from the sky and hits the hammer bathing Superman in massive cosmic power!! He grits his teeth and roars his retort as it continues to lash at him... his knees tremble and his muscles seem to ripple and surges as the unnatural currents flow through him... flames seem to rise from his eyes as the power seeks a way out...
And then... the lightning stops.
And Superman stands.... alive... and undefeated...
Thor trembles... of all things to happen... who is this man...? What heart must he have beating in that chest...? A heart for others - and not for himself! A heart after Thor's own heart!
The heart of someone who is worthy of Mjolnir!
The heart of a hero....
Superman reaches down with his hand... reaches down to his one time opponent... his one time adversary...
And Thor accepts his offer of a lift up...
Accepts his hand...
As a friend.. and a comrade...
As a fellow hero.
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