Blade vs. Wolverine

Started by jinzin57 pages

Originally posted by YFZ 350
Well Dracula served Logan way faster and easier than he did to Blade.

Blade has just as good as speed feats as Logan does. In fact Blade's speed is what put Logan in that rather tight situation. Blade owed Logan one and he repaid him by sparring his life.

Logan ran right into him with no regard for his own safety.. Careless? Sure, but proof that Blade>Wolverine? No...

As for the second, part, I'm not going to continue to make new points to someone who can't get the old ones... 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
He could have slashed his throat or gut huh? 😂
Yeah because he was so skilled and so fast he landed the first atta-..doh! No he didn't.
No it's because he's so proficient with swordsmanship that he didn't immediately lose control of his bl-..Doh! Yes he did.
So.. Outside the realm of your fanboy delusions... How was he gonna manage to do that again?

Again, you're giving Blade the benefit of the doubt to say that Blade could have downed Wolverine from the start... Besides your own fanboy interpretation and bias do you have any evidence whatsoever to prove that he not only could, but is even capable of as much?

What was he going to do? Throw the vile at Wolverine? The guy who dices rockets, darts, arrows, and needles out of the air and sees bullets pass by him in slow motion?

You think Blade would have any more luck against Wolverine than Cap did with his shield throw, or that Cyclops did with his eye beams? Both accounts when Wolverine had his back turned to them?.....

What am I asking for? Of course you do, because you like Blade and that's enough isn't it?

Or.... Was he going to run up to Wolverine and inject it into his neck? Funny that, because if that was going to be the strategy, he had that same opportunity with his sword. A longer, more proficient offensive weapon actually capable of defense as well which Blade is most familiar with, and even with that AND a reach advantage Logan landed two warning slices before he was even able to try and block, and Blade started that attack. So why would he fair better with a vile than he did with his sword? Oh that's right because you like Blade and that's enough.

Considering that Blade went for the vile attack and was successful. What then?
Again, how do you know that Wolverine's HF wouldn't completely negate the effects anyways? He had a knockdown drag out fight with a werewolf and he didn't turn into one of them. In fact an organization bent on turning citizens and thus Wolverine into a werewolf couldn't do it with werewolf blood or genetic manipulation, the best result they got out of that was reverting his mentality.... Or how about his fight with Ba'al, a demon vampire God; didn't turn then. When Dracula did turn him it was in the 70's... Yeah, after Fatal Attractions? Xavier outright states that wounds which would have been FATAL before are now only a MOMENTARY annoyance. Wolverine being bitten by Dracula didn't even rank as a fatal attack, it stands to reason that it doesn't even range into the ranks of momentary annoyances... 😬
Then we've got Wolverine's healing factor counteracting symbiotic hosting attempts and him completely no selling the Brood several times, something Ghost Rider couldn't even dowith his mystical healing abilities. But a little vile from Blade'll do the trick right? Because there's so much evidence to support it right? Or is it because you like Blade.. and that's enough.

Considering we give Blade the benefit of the doubt that he did attack with his vile, AND faired better with it than his sword, AND Logan was turned... What now? Again we have two different universes where a vampiric Wolverine has taken over Marvel Earth, killing Dracula, turning Juggernaught, one shotting Sym, and disarming a Strange/Punisher hybrid. Dracula even recognizes that Wolverine immediately picked up on vampire tricks that took him eons to learn like shapeshifting and misting out. But Blade turning him into a vampire will be a good choice, effective, and a sure win for Blade right? Why? Is it because a Vampiric Wolverine's shown to be weak and powerless to the likes of Blade? Nah.... Can't be... Maybe it's......Because you like Blade, and that's enough.

Finally if we're to put into consideration that Blade did attack with his vile, AND faired better with it than his sword, AND Logan was turned, BUT he didn't turn into the hardcore uber vamp that he did in other universes and was just some lowly vampire, I suppose we're to think that Blade would then be able to draw out a stake and ace him on the spot because Blade said he could right? I mean, ignoring the fact that Wolverine just railed through everything he had without a problem.... I suppose we're supposed to also believe as a vampire Wolverine might lose his sense of skill and thus leave him open to Blade's attacks from there on.... Because it's not like we've seen a similar situation with a brainless Wolverine railing through Cap (also Blades physical equal if not superior as well as a far better h2h combatant) who was trying to dish out all he had right? I suppose we're left to believe that Wolverine totally would have been screwed if Blade was going for the kill. And is that due to the sheer mountain of volumes of overwhelming evidence to support the premise?.... No... It's because you like Blade.. and that's enough. 😐

Originally posted by YFZ 350
That's not what would have killed him. The flash grenade or maybe a garlic filled silver bullet into the blood stream would finish him. Maybe even a anti-coagulant.

which Blade would not only have on him but would ALSO be able to whip out before Wolverine could even IMAGINE doing something like:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9347/wolverine18220lowresrb7.jpg

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2038/fasttthp5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

Originally posted by YFZ 350
Logan will inherit the weaknesses also.

IF... IF... IF he turns... christ did you even read that big post I keep posting up for you?

Originally posted by jinzin
which Blade would not only have on him but would ALSO be able to whip out before Wolverine could even IMAGINE doing something like:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9347/wolverine18220lowresrb7.jpg

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2038/fasttthp5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

any superhero can embarrass lowly cronies and jobbers...but a feat is only impressive against a worthy foe...none of which were present in those scans

Originally posted by Master-Borg
any superhero can embarrass lowly cronies and jobbers...but a feat is only impressive against a worthy foe...none of which were present in those scans

oooooooh okay. I see so it being lowly criminals means that he'll move slower against Blade?

See think you missed the point. Wolverine says "night's still young".. For a man who can move faster than the human eye can percieve he could have easily decapitated Blade by the time Blade managed to not only launch his offensive but to follow it up....

But feats against other heroes and villains are the only one's that matter? Brilliant! 😱

1. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4942/76519loganuke2tj4.jpg
2. http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3962/76525loganuke3jt3.jpg

1. http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg

1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2724/cyklopsdodgewa4.jpg

Wolverine and Sabretooth are capable of moving faster than Psylockes mind can follow/track:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

(*repeat*) The prime sentinal model moves too fast for scott summers to even track; Wolverine however is fast enough to dodge his lasers AND deal with him accordingly:
1. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpg

1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6933/energydodge2xn2.jpg
2. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5256/energydodge3vl4.jpg

Sabretooth get's speedblitzed in his first encounter with the Native:
1. http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6002/wolverinev3013p08zz1fe1.jpg
2. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4099/wolverinev3013p09xd2yg4.jpg
3. http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5549/wolverinev3013p10qv4ky8.jpg
However Wolverine's able to keep up with her superhuman speed in combat:
1. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3000/wolverinev314pyratedcppmf3.jpg

The Hunter in Darkness creature is too fast for James and Heather Hudson usng their Vindicator suits.. But not for Wolverine:
1. http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/huntertoofastcm2.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4834/huntertoofast2mj0.jpg

Magma throws a blast in Wolverine's direction, he vanishes before it even hits the drapes that were in front of him:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6965/magmasblastspeedwg0.jpg

Bats an incoming speedball away without even looking:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/948/speedballfj1mw3.jpg

Okay this feat is insane; Not only does Wolverine tag speed demon but if you look at the panel above that, he's right behind speed demon's straight sprint flipping and bounding and he isn't losing much ground 😐 . :
1. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_22_DCP_030-1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_22_DCP_031.jpg

oh oh oh annnnnnnd....

so...uhhhhh where's Blades again? OH that's right! He doesn't have any because he doesn't fight other heroes and villains, he fights lowly no name vamps.... Hehe I suppose all his speed feats are thus of no concern then.

Well I guess on the other hand he has been stalemated by Gambit and railed by Wolver.. oh wait nevermind, that's not impressive, that's what happens when Blade tries to tangle with people who aren't vamps....

😂

The irony in Blade needing to turn Logan into a vamp to beat him in a fight.

Originally posted by jinzin

Wolverine and Sabretooth are capable of moving faster than Psylockes mind can follow/track:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

I love how you remove the 'almost' in front of faster to exaggerate Logan's speed.

But there were some impressive feats you posted, I never said he didn't have them. My point was that your previous posts are not persuasive because whenever heroes are pitted against goons, they're always made to look good, and usually better than when they are pitted against worthy foes.

oops, well I'll correct that for the thread, no exaggeration intended...

I like how you nitpick something like that to detract from the point that Blade never had a chance of being faster than Logan, or from that fact that your logic dictates the very same.

Originally posted by jinzin
oops, well I'll correct that for the thread, no exaggeration intended...

I like how you nitpick something like that to detract from the point that Blade never had a chance of being faster than Logan, or from that fact that your logic dictates the very same.

nitpick? if someone just accepted your ludicrous claim that Logan was so fast he could evade telepathy without reading the scan for themselves, they'd think Logan was some flashlevel character

leaving out that 'almost' was not a small detail

also, I admit those feats of logan's are very impressive, but so what? they aren't feats that every other street leveler with a long record haven't matched. They were still within the realm of streetlevel, top tier to be sure, but not even as impressive as the elektra scan you posted. So there is no reason to believe somehow that the runt will bedevil Blade with speed.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
nitpick? if someone just accepted your ludicrous claim that Logan was so fast he could evade telepathy without reading the scan for themselves, they'd think Logan was some flashlevel character

leaving out that 'almost' was not a small detail

also, I admit those feats of logan's are very impressive, but so what? they aren't feats that every other street leveler with a long record haven't matched. They were still within the realm of streetlevel, top tier to be sure, but not even as impressive as the elektra scan you posted. So there is no reason to believe somehow that the runt will bedevil Blade with speed.

It's nitpicking when you pick the semantics of one scan to discredit an entire point behind a large post. 😬

😕 No said Logan would either... All that's been stated is that Logan could have easily rendered Blades head off with a swing before Blade could not only inject a vial in him but pull out another weapon to dust him with... To insinuate otherwise is ridiculous. Blade was only able to inject the virus because Logan stopped attacking him, NOT because Blade has ANY type of speed advantage whatsoever... 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
It's nitpicking when you pick the semantics of one scan to discredit an entire point behind a large post. 😬

😕 No said Logan would either... All that's been stated is that Logan could have easily rendered Blades head off with a swing before Blade could not only inject a vial in him but pull out another weapon to dust him with... To insinuate otherwise is ridiculous. Blade was only able to inject the virus because Logan stopped attacking him, NOT because Blade has ANY type of speed advantage whatsoever... 😐

I never tried to discredit your point.

===

I didnt read the encounter with blade that you're talking about, so I can't comment. Why do you think WOlverine 'let' blade inject him?

Posted on page 4 of Iron Fist vs. Blade thread on page two of the forum. Well it's pretty clear that Wolverine wasn't threatened by the vile OR what was in it.
It stands to reason that Logan isn't going to kill Blade because he knows Blade's a hero.
It stands to reason that Logan remembers saving Blade years and years ago from scent alone, so killing him now would be ridiculous.
It stands to reason that Logan wasn't out to kill someone he knew had been to be there.
It stands to reason that if Logan got the first two shots of the fight, more shots, and finished by pinning Blade to the ground on his back, that Blade isn't faster than Logan.
It stands to reason that if Logan was out to kill Blade he would have done it not only at the end of the fight but the several times chances he had on panel before that.

It stands to reason I was drunk when I wrote that post...

What I meant was that Wolverine wouldn't kill Blade when Blade "had" to be there.
And sorry about the repeatative "times/chances" bit.

Originally posted by jinzin
[B]It stands to reason I was drunk when I wrote that post...

[B]

don't worry im shit faced or high a good amount when I post lol.

Originally posted by jinzin
which Blade would not only have on him but would ALSO be able to whip out before Wolverine could even IMAGINE doing something like:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9347/wolverine18220lowresrb7.jpg

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2038/fasttthp5.jpg

or

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg


they seem on par to me

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladeslicin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladeslicin2.jpg

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
they seem on par to me

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladeslicin.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Bladeslicin2.jpg

how are thoses on par with the ones wolverine did?

First ones jsut blade cutting off a vampires head...........there nothing closes to impressive about that.

The second one is blade cutting up a vampire.........which is not on par with Logan cutting a cyborg so fast the cyborg does not even realizes it was cut and then he did it was such skill that he cut only the machine parts.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

also did you forget Logan had fought omega red prior to his fight with Blade? Also that hurts your arguement more becuases blade would have known that Omega reds powers weaken Logan healing factor which means his attacks to such vital area's could not have been warning shots, becuases if his healing factor was weaken badly by omega red thoses shots could have killed him.

Now you're saying his healing factor was weakened? And you're still arguing the vial wouldn't turn him?

Originally posted by YFZ 350
I told you many times. Blade was forced into fighting Logan against his will. He reluctantly accepted the mission. When he finally faced him he was just giving warning shots. When Logan went for the kill Blade used his speed and proceeded to give Logan a choice.
That is basically how the story unfolded. Blade didn't really want the mission which is why during the fight he was using attacks he knew wouldn't put Logan down for the count. He was just waiting for the right moment to strike. When Blade used his speed to put logan in a tight spot it was over. One Blade realized he owed Logan he backed off. I don't see why people argue this as that was the writers intentions or he would never wasted time with the backstory.

Originally posted by jinzin
oooooooh okay. I see so it being lowly criminals means that he'll move slower against Blade?

See think you missed the point. Wolverine says "night's still young".. For a man who can move faster than the human eye can percieve he could have easily decapitated Blade by the time Blade managed to not only launch his offensive but to follow it up....

But feats against other heroes and villains are the only one's that matter? Brilliant! 😱

1. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4942/76519loganuke2tj4.jpg
2. http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3962/76525loganuke3jt3.jpg

1. http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg

1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2724/cyklopsdodgewa4.jpg

Wolverine and Sabretooth are capable of moving faster than Psylockes mind can follow/track:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

(*repeat*) The prime sentinal model moves too fast for scott summers to even track; Wolverine however is fast enough to dodge his lasers AND deal with him accordingly:
1. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpg

1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6933/energydodge2xn2.jpg
2. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5256/energydodge3vl4.jpg

Sabretooth get's speedblitzed in his first encounter with the Native:
1. http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6002/wolverinev3013p08zz1fe1.jpg
2. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4099/wolverinev3013p09xd2yg4.jpg
3. http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5549/wolverinev3013p10qv4ky8.jpg
However Wolverine's able to keep up with her superhuman speed in combat:
1. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3000/wolverinev314pyratedcppmf3.jpg

The Hunter in Darkness creature is too fast for James and Heather Hudson usng their Vindicator suits.. But not for Wolverine:
1. http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/huntertoofastcm2.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4834/huntertoofast2mj0.jpg

Magma throws a blast in Wolverine's direction, he vanishes before it even hits the drapes that were in front of him:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6965/magmasblastspeedwg0.jpg

Bats an incoming speedball away without even looking:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/948/speedballfj1mw3.jpg

Okay this feat is insane; Not only does Wolverine tag speed demon but if you look at the panel above that, he's right behind speed demon's straight sprint flipping and bounding and he isn't losing much ground 😐 . :
1. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_22_DCP_030-1.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WO_22_DCP_031.jpg

oh oh oh annnnnnnd....

so...uhhhhh where's Blades again? OH that's right! He doesn't have any because he doesn't fight other heroes and villains, he fights lowly no name vamps.... Hehe I suppose all his speed feats are thus of no concern then.

Well I guess on the other hand he has been stalemated by Gambit and railed by Wolver.. oh wait nevermind, that's not impressive, that's what happens when Blade tries to tangle with people who aren't vamps....

😂

The irony in Blade needing to turn Logan into a vamp to beat him in a fight.

Those are all negated by this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine5.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine6.jpg

Game, set, and match son.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Those are all negated by this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine5.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine6.jpg

Game, set, and match son.

Have fun debating with Jinzin. Im just gonna sit back and watch this. By the way why does Blade owe Wolverine?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Those are all negated by this:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine5.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsWolverine6.jpg

Game, set, and match son.

One showing negates all his other ones? 😕