Blade vs. Wolverine

Started by Battlehammer57 pages
Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
YES HE DID. Wolverine Origins issue 2.

I don’t recall this, when did he say this?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No he hasnt seen the bloody weapon but he obvously was given information on the sword by his family (maybe).

Umm no one in his family has ever seen it……….so they would not know this either.

Like I said hyper bole.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Also the reports of what the sword did to the Shiva robot indicated how lethal the weapon was.

Not really Logans claws do the same dam thing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
WOLVERINE 186

This does not help your argument.

For one he was toying with Frank the entire time while Frank went all out.

Another thing that hurts your argument is that he could have killed Frank in the very first panel of the issue.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and the fight that Punsiher had with him while injured intrhe jungle. NOT EINNIS!!!!!!

Punisher shot Logan from hehind injuring his leg. Then Logan cut the weapon and Punisher fired with a cut in haft weapon which no trained military person would do let a lone frank, but lets ignore the obvious bad writing there. Logan was fine and Frank would have been killed if not for the interruption. That’s the best Frank ever did in a non ennis fight………and he only survived due to interruption of the fight.

Not very good supporting arguments for your self there.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ive started reading Wolverine comics and just like I guessed you seem to blow thing out of proportion. I dont understand how Wolverine taking out a Shiva android with a weapon that was described by SS as "the ultimate weapon" proves anything. 😬
Shiva has extensive files on Wolverine and his fighting abilities; everything that's ever been recorded by the Weapon X databanks which if you read Weapon X, you would know is a shitload.
Shiva has the ability to adapt to an opponent improving on how it was defeated before, this is the 5th Shiava unit sent out, it's more impressive than you think when Wolverine clearly destroyed it without effort.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im inclined to think that Wolverine is better with a sword. Wolverine may have had better training and more experience but MBs point about Blade using a sword all the time is not without merit.
True enough but if Wolverine's better anyway, what does it matter?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine has centuries of training but Punisher always tends to do well against him in H2H and he doesnt have half the training Wolverine has. Before you start whining about Einnis.....[B] HES DONE WELL IN OTHER FIGHTS WITH WOLVERINE THAT EXCLUDE EINNIS THEREFORE EINNIS IS NOT BAD WRITING [/B]
No he hasn't. He's been one shotted, got the jump on Logan and was still nearly disarmed, and got toyed with.

The only other fights they've had Punisher had spawn like powers, doctor strange powers, and the last wasn't impressive fr either party.

Wolverine would dominate Punisher in any fight. Punisher can do little more than slow Wolverine down in any chance meeting.

Phantom Zone Junior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
Shiva has extensive files on Wolverine and his fighting abilities; everything that's ever been recorded by the Weapon X databanks which if you read Weapon X, you would know is a shitload.
Shiva has the ability to adapt to an opponent improving on how it was defeated before, this is the 5th Shiava unit sent out, it's more impressive than you think when Wolverine clearly destroyed it without effort.

Wait a second this Shiva had files on Wolverine? If thats the case then you have a good point. What issues of Weapon X I might be able to read them?

edit: Yeah I see what you're saying but all Wolverine needed was one swipe also im not sure if Shiva robots have fought Wolverine with a sword before...

Originally posted by jinzin

True enough but if Wolverine's better anyway, what does it matter?

Yeah but its like people were giving MB a really hard time, its not a fanboyish statement its a legitimate point.

Originally posted by jinzin

No he hasn't. He's been one shotted, got the jump on Logan and was still nearly disarmed, and got toyed with.

The only other fights they've had Punisher had spawn like powers, doctor strange powers, and the last wasn't impressive fr either party.

Wolverine would dominate Punisher in any fight. Punisher can do little more than slow Wolverine down in any chance meeting.

What do you mean no? Didnt an injured Punisher do well against Wolverine? Didnt Punisher hold his own against Wolverine in issue 186 ....yeah he lost but it was a long fight....

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Which is why a guy who trained a millenia to beat Iron Fist couldn't, or why Azrael can't beat Logan.. Sometimes other people are just better.

anyways.. "I don't care" exactly you don't care about the real reasons and proof that show Wolverine being equal or superior in skill you just BELIEVE that Blade's better for no reason and THINK that's enough..

Well, it isn't.

well then, here blade battles a 1000 year old swordsman while being weakened by poisonous gas, not only that but shows his durability by surviving the explosion that goes off and not having a scratch on him.

most of the time wolverines enemies are over 1000 s of years old (like dracula who blade easily bested in combat during his series)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills5.jpg

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
well then, here blade battles a 1000 year old swordsman while being weakened by poisonous gas, not only that but shows his durability by surviving the explosion that goes off and not having a scratch on him.

most of the time wolverines enemies are over 1000 s of years old (like dracula who blade easily bested in combat during his series)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills5.jpg

Good scans got any others like that?

ultimatethor Senior Member

Id have to go with wolverine definitely

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wait a second this Shiva had files on Wolverine? If thats the case then you have a good point. What issues of Weapon X I might be able to read them?

There's a few in Wolverine vol II around issue 50 I think, been a while, where he first runs into Shiva at the weapon X facility.
The entire weapon X series has multiple flashbacks or panels in which Weapon X is using footage of Wolves past
And in New X-Men their files on Wolverine were so extensive that they knew exactly who he was and where he came from.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
edit: Yeah I see what you're saying but all Wolverine needed was one swipe also im not sure if Shiva robots have fought Wolverine with a sword before...
Still you're talking about a machine who's far more superhuman than Blade and had already adapted to both Wolverine's and Sabretooth's fighting skills. He was no pushover.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but its like people were giving MB a really hard time, its not a fanboyish statement its a legitimate point.
Yeah, but the kid's been making ridiculous made up statements with nothing to support them but titles for two pages now.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What do you mean no? Didnt an injured Punisher do well against Wolverine? Didnt Punisher hold his own against Wolverine in issue 186 ....yeah he lost but it was a long fight....
Not to my recollection.
As Cap stated, Wolverine could have killed Punisher in the first panel, he was in no way taking that fight seriously. Nor Punisher.

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Not to my recollection.
As Cap stated, Wolverine could have killed Punisher in the first panel, he was in no way taking that fight seriously. Nor Punisher.

We can believe something when cap states it, but not when blade states it?

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Having "mastery" over a skill like swordsmanship doesn't automatically mean that Blade's at the top of the list when it comes to his own skill levels.

C'mon.... are you honestly about to argue that "masters" of Judo and Karate are equal to people Like Cap and Logan just because they're well skilled in what they learned.

To the average everyday goon, thug, or vamp Blade might be a master. To guys like Gorgon, Ogun, or Shingen he's a joke.


...dude gorgon was killing blade, even wolverine knew he couldnt match him, i nthat fight he was just trying to use his superior healing factor to keep in the fight, inf act the only reason wovlerine beat gorgon wasnt because of his skill but because he was clever (shining back th egorgons stare into hsi own eyes) right after than wovlerien collapsed to the floor (it was a sick fight though)

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
We can believe something when cap states it, but not when blade states it?

he was talking about me.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
...dude gorgon was killing blade, even wolverine knew he couldnt match him, i nthat fight he was just trying to use his superior healing factor to keep in the fight, inf act the only reason wovlerine beat gorgon wasnt because of his skill but because he was clever (shining back th egorgons stare into hsi own eyes) right after than wovlerien collapsed to the floor (it was a sick fight though)

Logan did not have a superior healing factor...................

jinzin Senior Member
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
We can believe something when cap states it, but not when blade states it?

Lol.. I meant Battlehammer.. his name used to be Captitup.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
There's a few in Wolverine vol II around issue 50 I think, been a while, where he first runs into Shiva at the weapon X facility.
The entire weapon X series has multiple flashbacks or panels in which Weapon X is using footage of Wolves past
And in New X-Men their files on Wolverine were so extensive that they knew exactly who he was and where he came from.

Still you're talking about a machine who's far more superhuman than Blade and had already adapted to both Wolverine's and Sabretooth's fighting skills. He was no pushover.

Yeah I should be able to get some of those I think Weapon X is just one issue.

Originally posted by jinzin

Not to my recollection.
As Cap stated, Wolverine could have killed Punisher in the first panel, he was in no way taking that fight seriously. Nor Punisher.

Ok was Wolverine taking the fight where they fought in the jungle serioulsy?

P.S. Im actually enjoying reading the Wolverine series I dont know what all the fuss about. Its no nonsense kickass action....dont like the look of volume 1...😬

jinzin Senior Member

Yeah but that fight didn't last long enough for anything to really happen. Which series?

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol.. I meant Battlehammer.. his name used to be Captitup.
oh Im sorry

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Logan did not have a superior healing factor...................
he didnt have superior skills either, during the fight he curses himself for tryin to match gorgon, he just went for chucks and tried to take off as much meat off gorgon as he could...plus wolverine was wrecked after than fight

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine took apart a Shiva android, and Nuke with his Mura Masa WITHOUT effort.

Ogun trained him in swordsmanship for years.. He tought a LIFETIME worth of skill to Kitty Pride in a few days.. You do the math.

He's also fought multiple people with a sword while blindfolded.

nuke was barely a challenge, what feats does nuke have that he is up to par in combat he faught in one war and after had his entire body mechanized he couldnt thikn and shot at wolverine blindly
anywho here blade beating the son of an extremely powerful demon

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adtakerMSU2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...takerMSU2-2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...takerMSU2-3.jpg
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Battlehammer Senior Member
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
he didnt have superior skills either, during the fight he curses himself for tryin to match gorgon, he just went for chucks and tried to take off as much meat off gorgon as he could...plus wolverine was wrecked after than fight

yea and? Blade would have died in a second vs gorgon.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills2.jpg
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http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills4.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladeswordskills5.jpg


how is this even suposes to be impressive? did any one even read the scans

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
nuke was barely a challenge, what feats does nuke have that he is up to par in combat he faught in one war and after had his entire body mechanized he couldnt thikn and shot at wolverine blindly
anywho here blade beating the son of an extremely powerful demon

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...adtakerMSU2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...takerMSU2-2.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...takerMSU2-3.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c...takerMSU2-4.jpg


theses don't even work.