Secret Apprentice VS RoT Darth Bane

Originally posted by Allankles
I preferred the JA and JO combat system mainly because the lightsaber was a one-hit killing blade and not a glowing club like it looks to be in TFU and as it was in the ROTS game.

Secondly, i dislike button mashing when it comes to lightsaber combat, which means I might buy a wii just to have a better lightsaber experience. In JA the lightsaber - as you well know - was controlled by the analog stick which made for more intuitive gameplay, rather than scripted button combos you actually swung your lightsaber at the openings, that was far more interesting imv.

But i agree with you on your point about some of the lightsaber swings leaving you exposed. However if you used fast style (you were rarely exposed) or even most of the strikes in medium style.

thats true, remember Jedi Power battles? hit a droid 600 times or something like that? i play these games on PC so i didn't have quite the analog control i think for JA, i did like most of the acrobatics, but i didn't like the way you had to run around constantly. you can't stand in one place and fight toe to toe with another lightsaber user, or you die, which really sucked, it was run in a circle around the opponent, then take one swing and back off, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat.

Originally posted by truejedi
thats true, remember Jedi Power battles? hit a droid 600 times or something like that? i play these games on PC so i didn't have quite the analog control i think for JA, i did like most of the acrobatics, but i didn't like the way you had to run around constantly. you can't stand in one place and fight toe to toe with another lightsaber user, or you die, which really sucked, it was run in a circle around the opponent, then take one swing and back off, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat.

You could still use a controller with your pc.
Yes using the analog stick made the combat a lot better imv. Also the system allowed plenty of experimentation and if you were skilled enough you could make the lightsaber combat look as cinematic as you liked. Here's an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xc2bHVTQRo&feature=related

YouTube video

That, my friend, is gravity. The initial pull is him breaking the pilots hands, which then makes the ship go down, but because of gravity, it doesn't go perfectly down as it's not planned to handle that sharp movements

If the pilots hands where broken then how come the ship still righted itself?

Ding dong Hong Kong bidi bidi bang bang!

That, my friend, would be emergency repulsors

Originally posted by Allankles
I preferred the JA and JO combat system mainly because the lightsaber was a one-hit killing blade and not a glowing club like it looks to be in TFU and as it was in the ROTS game.

Secondly, i dislike button mashing when it comes to lightsaber combat, which means I might buy a wii just to have a better lightsaber experience. In JA the lightsaber - as you well know - was controlled by the analog stick which made for more intuitive gameplay, rather than scripted button combos you actually swung your lightsaber at the openings, that was far more interesting imv.

But i agree with you on your point about some of the lightsaber swings leaving you exposed. However if you used fast style (you were rarely exposed) or even most of the strikes in medium style.

Some of what your saying is arguable, but also true. 🙂

I hated the stances though, he always had his hands too low and his shoulders forward, that's a great way to get dismembered in real life.

In Jedi Knight Dark Forces II the stance was correct, upright with back errect and hands and shoulders up.

Also the Fast style was too chaotic and random to be truly effective...

At least in comparison with the tactically sound style in DF II.

I think I'm going to get a Wii for TFU as well...

Ding dong Hong Kong bidi bidi bang bang!

That, my friend, would be emergency repulsors

Star Destroyers don't have emergency repulsers on the bottom or the sides, the underside is pretty much flat. You can see this at the very start of 'New Hope'.

Despite your impressive attempts to explain the SD incident, you have failed my friend. Your explanation is tto long-winded, obscure and abstract to work, hardly the announced 'using the force at new levels and in ways never before imagined' that we've been promised. Occam's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation would be that the SA just pulled the damn thing down, utilizing the 'mind over matter' teachings of Master Yoda.

however, if they make everyone's force powers "over the top" do we have to put everything back in perspective? i mean, if, say is it Depa Billaba, that we are supposed to kill? or Aayla Secura? one of em i think. If she is incredibly powerful too, does that automatically put her ahead of jedi like Yoda? if she does things in the game that Yoda couldn't do, or even stalemates the apprentice at some point in the game (who has obviously become the most powerful force user ever) does that make her more powerful than yoda too? or do we have to tone the whole scale of the game back to keep it consistent with the rest of the star wars universe?

couple other points: Occams Razor doesn't apply in every logical argument, and it is far from infallible.

finally, i admit it does look like the SA pulls down the ship: but for the sake of ANY consistency in the star wars universe, i'm hoping there is some other explanation. Perhaps its a disabled star destroyer that is crash landing, and he slows its fall to protect the lives of those on board? doesn't that explanation work better than the SA destroys an entire star destroyer and the emperor doesn't notice?

edit- nevermind. I initially misunderstood your point.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Star Destroyers don't have emergency repulsers on the bottom or the sides, the underside is pretty much flat. You can see this at the very start of 'New Hope'.

Despite your impressive attempts to explain the SD incident, you have failed my friend. Your explanation is tto long-winded, obscure and abstract to work, hardly the announced 'using the force at new levels and in ways never before imagined' that we've been promised. Occam's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation would be that the SA just pulled the damn thing down, utilizing the 'mind over matter' teachings of Master Yoda.

I never fail, for it happened as I said it did

Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Some of what your saying is arguable, but also true. 🙂

I hated the stances though, he always had his hands too low and his shoulders forward, that's a great way to get dismembered in real life.

In Jedi Knight Dark Forces II the stance was correct, upright with back errect and hands and shoulders up.

Also the Fast style was too chaotic and random to be truly effective...

In strong style the pc stands upright with back erect with hands and shoulders up, but it's probably the least aesthetically pleasing of the light saber styles.

DF 2 was less fluid than JA, I think the combat was improved overall. You had much more lee way to create cinematic aesthetically pleasing fights with JA's combat system. And you could apply plenty of tactics, employing an array of acrobatic techniques as well as a deft touch with the light saber.

EDIT: I forgot to mention fast style had to be used with moderation and precision otherwise (yes) it would degenerate into an ineffective and chaotic style.

Originally posted by tauros
I never fail, for it happened as I said it did

No. You think it happened that specific way, but you actually have no idea because you have no evidence whatsoever.

Originally posted by Lt. Valerian
No. You think it happened that specific way, but you actually have no idea because you have no evidence whatsoever.

No, I know how it happened.

I'd just like to point out that Nihilius did pretty much the same thing as The Secret Apprentice by pulling the Ravager out of a gravity well/ Malachor V.

Originally posted by tauros
No, I know how it happened.

Originally posted by MadMel
🙄
lemme resolve this issue
hayden blackman said he pulls the DS to the ground..he doesnt say he broke the pilots hands, and let the gravity do the work..he says the secret apprentice [b]pulled it down...you can even see the hand and arm motions in the video..
there - issue resolved, he pulled it with pure strength in the force, enough said.. 😬 [/B]

No, I disagree. It couldn't possibly be that because he didn't say this: "the apprentices brains tell his right arms muscles to rise up to this and this height, and then his brains tell his fingers to form this and this position, and then his brains tell his left arm to move and his left hands fingers to form this and this position, and then the apprentice uses the Forces dark side to pull down the Star Destroyer from height X to height X and at the same time his brain sends more messages to his muscles what to do and and overpowering the Star Destroyer X's own systems and then finally pulling it down with pure, raw force."

🙄

And you don't see his hands before the ship is already falling and he's getting ready to stop it.

Originally posted by Master_Starbuck

He can pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky. 😄

so what? yoda said that you might not judge a person by his size = > size doesn't matter
so there is no difference 🙂

Originally posted by tauros
No, I disagree. It couldn't possibly be that because he didn't say this: "the apprentices brains tell his right arms muscles to rise up to this and this height, and then his brains tell his fingers to form this and this position, and then his brains tell his left arm to move and his left hands fingers to form this and this position, and then the apprentice uses the Forces dark side to pull down the Star Destroyer from height X to height X and at the same time his brain sends more messages to his muscles what to do and and overpowering the Star Destroyer X's own systems and then finally pulling it down with pure, raw force."

🙄

And you don't see his hands before the ship is already falling and he's getting ready to stop it.