Originally posted by BentleyLike being outside the realm of chaos and order, maybe.
That would be a cool theory since it would be a natural foil against most of the Guardians.Last issue Mantis mention that she couldn't read Phyla's future, do you think it is a reminiscent of Thanos's skill of escaping the abstract's sight?
Originally posted by Bentley
I didn't think it was a bad showing. He fend off Vulcan for a while without his magic after being depowered on the spot.
If Vulcan can claim sovereignity over Warlock's magic, then his control must be absolute shit. How's he going to fair against Surfer, Thor or -any- energy manipulator? As it stands now, he must be below Quasar or Nova even.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If Vulcan can claim sovereignity over Warlock's magic, then his control must be absolute shit. How's he going to fair against Surfer, Thor or -any- energy manipulator? As it stands now, he must be below Quasar or Nova even.
Vulcan hasn't failed to manipulate a type of energy yet so I wouldn't call it low. He's a very high energy manipulator and even though I hate to use the words "Omega Level" potential the fact is he is one and unlike Iceman he's not an idiot.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Vulcan hasn't failed to manipulate a type of energy yet so I wouldn't call it low. He's a very high energy manipulator and even I hate to use the word "Omega Level" potential but he is one and unlike Iceman he's not an idiot.
That's just the point, he's not a "very high" energy manipulator. It's not about failing to manipulate a type of energy, is that he shouldn't be strong enough to wrest control of Warlock's magic. Surfer is an energy manipulator, but would he be able to take control over Odin's attacks or energy? Of course not!
Warlock ought to be too strong for this, especially if he's even stronger than his original incarnation.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That's just the point, he's not a "very high" energy manipulator. It's not about failing to manipulate a type of energy, is that he shouldn't be strong enough to wrest control of Warlock's magic. Surfer is an energy manipulator, but would he be able to take control over Odin's attacks or energy? Of course not!Warlock ought to be too strong for this, especially if he's even stronger than his original incarnation.
If the very nature of his powers is to manipulate all types of energy then he should and again his potential to manipulate energy is "Omega Level". Think of Vulcan as an energy elemental, he's built to take energy based beings down.
Vulcan wrested control of the Phoenix Force from the Phoenix Corps in that What if, it's not that shocking.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If the very nature of his powers is to manipulate all types of energy then he should and again his potential to manipulate energy is "Omega Level". Think of Vulcan as an energy elemental, he's built to take energy based beings down.
Anybody above mid herald is energy based.
You can't see the relevance of a power gap? Practically everyone above mid herald also has energy manipulation.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Anybody above mid herald is energy based.You can't see the relevance of a power gap? Practically everyone above mid herald also has energy manipulation.
But different degrees of energy manipulation. And I mean pure energy not Brick + Energy + Flight + Super Speed etc...
Are you suggesting Vulcan is a lot more powerful then what we saw against Gladiator? Was the Shiar Captain really the reason why he lost to Gladiator?
As stated before, is not like Vulcan doesn't have an impressive record manipulating energy, what ifs showing him getting the Phoenix Force or easily beating Magneto. I don't try to justify Adam losing, but it could be considered a rock-paper-scissors kind of match; he cannot use magic against Vulcan but he can beat people above him that cannot manipulate his energy source. It has happened before (I must resist talking Rulk vs Surfer!).
Hmm, Kris makes a good point tbh.
By this fight you could assume any herald, or any other being like Thor or Quasar would annihilate Warlock via removing his magic with energy manipulation.
The only reason Vulcan wouldn't demolish him after taking his energy is that fact that Warlock has physical attributes that dwarf Vulcan's.
I expected Warlock to at least be able to control his own power...
Manipulating magic by energy manipulation is not your everyday feat, I don't remember many energy manipulators doing that before against Doctor Strange. I mean, Black Panther manipulated Mephisto's magic, but I don't recall others ermm. The fact is that Guardians is one of the most sci-fi books out there, so as long as it makes sense for magic to be energy, they would use it as such.
This version of Warlock had problems with his powers before, and also had good feats with them (standing in the middle of a star going nova, focusing million souls and sending his soul into the quantum bands). Vulcan also stripped the powers from a character that physically humbled Gladiator. We'll see how the power level of the characters work later on, but until now Warlock has won his stay at herald by feats (I don't see people trying to demote Surfer because he was absorbed by Rulk).
Originally posted by Bentley
Vulcan also stripped the powers from a character that physically humbled Gladiator.
He severed the connection. The elder was powered by his race, and Vulcan altered the trajectory of that energy.
Originally posted by Bentley
(I don't see people trying to demote Surfer because he was absorbed by Rulk).
I don't see the relevance of a Surfer extracted from a different time-line to the 616 Surfer....
Originally posted by guy222
Was that Warlock or the Magus
We'll find out soon enough.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He severed the connection. The elder was powered by his race, and Vulcan altered the trajectory of that energy.I don't see the relevance of a Surfer extracted from a different time-line to the 616 Surfer....
By feats Adam is a mid herald at worst, you are free to take the discussion to the tiers thread if you feel is warranted, me? I'll continue reading Guardians and have a good time doing it 🙂
Originally posted by Bentley
By feats Adam is a mid herald at worst, you are free to take the discussion to the tiers thread if you feel is warranted, me? I'll continue reading Guardians and have a good time doing it 🙂
What is this?!?
You ignore the fact that I refuted your ridiculous claim and choose to completely sidetrack the discussion? Bravo! Original!