Originally posted by Ushgarak
Creshosk, this is not some silly vs. debate where you can try and use some faux intellectual words used in a nonsensical fashion and feel you have scored points or demonstrated something.
You argue against something when others are arguing fo it that makes it a debate.
Main Entry: 1de·bate
Pronunciation: \di-ˈbât, dç-\
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
: a contention by words or arguments: as a: the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b: a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=debate
Also there is nothing faux intellectual about those words. Just because you don't understand them doesn't mean that they don't mean anything.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Try and actually make a worthwhile contribution to the thread rather than just a pile of rubbish as you just did.
This is again the appelal to ridicule. It's a logical fallacy to simply say that the oppositions arguments are "silly" or "Ridiculous" or "laughable" or "rubbish"
Don't believe me?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, your negative, hostile approach is extremely unhelpful to the thread.
At the risk of commiting the et tu fallacy I have to ask if your think yours is being productive to the thread. Mocking the other sides arguments without giving logical and reasonable explinations as to why comes off as poorly to us as my post did to you.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
If you do not have such a contribution then don't bother posting at all. Instead of just making such pointless, semantically empty commentary to entirely factual and relevant points
Calling your arguments factual and relevent doesn't make them so. Indeed they are quite fallicious.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
such as "No-one is using Trek threads", try and actually engage and justify the idea that there is sufficient demand for a whole Trek forum. Else you are just trolling.
Actually I personally believe that it is you who are trolling. Mocking the opposition in such a fashion as to call their arguments for it silly without explination is infalammatory commentray and falls under tradition definitions of trolling.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, talking about the possible broad scope that can be discussed... doesn't in any way prove that there is a huge demand to discuss it.
I'm not sure how this is relevant. You may feel like it is but it seems sort of non-sequiter to me. Showing the potential for what can be discussed does not in any way negative or positive effect the desire for a forum. In fact I've noted only two vocally opposing voices where as there are wquite of number of voices asking for it. Is there more desire for there to not be a forum as opposed for there to BE a forum?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
As for people saying they didn't know there was a Trek thread- why didn;t you start one?
Again I noticed that you have not addressed the problems that are involved with having a single thread for such a vast array of subjects. Its gets confusing and tedious to try and sift through other peoples discussions to get back to the topics that you personally perfer to discuss at the given moment. If you'd have spent any time in the vs forum trying to discuss a certain aspect of a fight you'd know how frustrating it was to have to sift through 20 pages of a discussion you're not involved in in order to try and discuss the aspect of the fight you yourself were interested in discussing.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I'm sorry, but I don't think this is an unreasonable view-
I know you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have said anything. However I feel that this veiw lacks the experience of having to deal with it.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
if there was such a demand to talk about Trek, we would be seeing people already talking about Trek!
This is again an appeal to ignorance. Simply because you haven't been seeing the discussions sdoesn't mean its not occuring. In fact the existence of this very thread does much to disprove this very line of arguing. There is a desire, otherwise why would this thread have been made?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
As it is, even the thread about the only currently existing extant part of the franchise- the film- is barely getting any posts at all.
There's not much to discuss aside from speculation, for a film that is not out yet.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And so again... this case would be much better made if people actually started making/using Trek threads (example- in the TV area) that then see decent traffic.
So more than the single thread can be made without it being closed and us being told to use the thread that actually exists?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh and yes; Doctor Who has been showing in the States for more the three decades.
Usually on channels that people don't normally want to watch anyway. Locally its shown on channel 11, which out here is dedicated to PBS so has an association with children's television such as Seasame street and arthur and the magic school bus. And the local religon's own personal television station so we also get alot of LDS related programing. Its not until after 11 when they start broadcasting BBS television shows such as Doctor Who or Red Dwarf or Have You Been served... So while it has been braodcast its not exactly the most accessable show.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I watched it when I was over there in 1990. However, the point is that the Who thread is getting posts, which demonstrates that people want to talk about it, even though it has all the broad variety of potential of a franchise such as Trek,
And in the states Star Trek is more popular, there are more references to it in other shows than there is with star trek. I've seen people playing RPGS related to trek. and even video games related to trek... Doctor who might be more popular over there and so outside influence is effecting your perception.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
which is the (unusual) reason some feel Trek threads have done badly. If Who can have established a successful thread, why hasn't Trek? That is indicative of a lack of real demand.
Actually its non-sequiter as was explained before some people get frustrated when there is more to be discussed with it all being jammed into the same thing. Doctor Who from what I've seen has less media to discuss.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Demand may well grow with the upcoming film but that's something better judged as time goes by. I feel it's also entirely possible that the interest will just relate to the release of the one film, which is not great justification for an entire area (for the record, I personally feel that 'Transformers' wasn't really in need of its own section either). A broader interest? From what is in the boards, I really don't think so.
Of course you don't you're arguments are illogical as my previous post pointed out. You are arguing from your own feelings. The feelings of two individuals whom there are rumors about, as opposed to a broader range of people that want it. IT does raise a question of conflict of interest.