Cops acquited after shooting of Sean Bell

Originally posted by chithappens
To cover this in complete context would have taken forever so let me add this: Most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and that was before this current economic recession. The common American is not well represented and it gives everyone the idea that everyone is doing fine when in fact we are all a few steps from being out on the street.

I definitely understood what point you were making and I believe you have made the above point before.

I would like to see a story like this happen to a bunch of white guys. Is there one?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I definitely understood what point you were making and I believe you have made the above point before.

I would like to see a story like this happen to a bunch of white guys. Is there one?

Originally posted by chithappens
1) Would a cop fire at a white person 50 times? I have NEVER heard of that.

2) If 1 occurs, would they be acquited? Most likely not, but then again, cops never do this to white people.

The responses were:

Originally posted by Troop
They have.

They do.

Originally posted by jaden101
blatent idiocy...

Yet no examples were given. It's all psychological anyway

Originally posted by chithappens
The responses were:

Yet no examples were given. It's all psychological anyway

Just because you and I have never heard of one, doesn't mean that they don't exist. However, because neither of us can think of one off the top of heads, it goes to show that there is some validity to your statements. Its either biased media, or simply virtual universal racism among our local law enforcements...or it could be various degrees of the above with variations depending on the locale.

The fact we can't recall it deals with the fact that white people are not dealt with in that way, nor are they perceived that way.

Sean Bell and the others were painted as thugs and that is what made acquittal possible

Originally posted by chithappens
The fact we can't recall it deals with the fact that white people are not dealt with in that way, nor are they perceived that way.

Sean Bell and the others were painted as thugs and that is what made acquittal possible

Yeah, the prosecutions witnesses (sean bells friends) having prior criminal records had nothing to do with them being labeled thugs..

Do people walk around with their criminal record tattooed on their foreheads?

Yeah! Of course they do! clapping

2 pieces of information I learned today (might have been mentioned prior)

1 - The police were acquitted not only of murder, but also manslaughter and reckless endangerment, neither of which require malicious intent

2 - The undercover officer followed Bell and his three friends for 2 and a half city blocks from the club to his car. At which point he draws his gun and approaches the car.

from today's feed: http://www.democracynow.org/
transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/28/following_acquittal_of_nypd_officers_in

Originally posted by KidRock
Yeah, the prosecutions witnesses (sean bells friends) having prior criminal records had nothing to do with them being labeled thugs..

are you arguing that the police have the right to kill unarmed and innocent thugs or individuals with criminal records?

Cops always get acquitted no matter who they kill.

Originally posted by inimalist
2 pieces of information I learned today (might have been mentioned prior)

1 - The police were acquitted not only of murder, but also manslaughter and reckless endangerment, neither of which require malicious intent

2 - The undercover officer followed Bell and his three friends for 2 and a half city blocks from the club to his car. At which point he draws his gun and approaches the car.

from today's feed: http://www.democracynow.org/
transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/28/following_acquittal_of_nypd_officers_in

are you arguing that the police have the right to kill unarmed and innocent thugs or individuals with criminal records?

Shit happens or whatever his name is said that they were painted as thugs and that is what made acquittal possible..saying that because the prosecution made them all look like thugs, the judge aquited them of the crime. So I said..maybe the prosecution made them look like thugs because they are, with criminal records and going to strip clubs known for prostitution and drug dealing.

How you got the idea cops have the right to kill unarmed thugs is beyond me...

Originally posted by KidRock
Shit happens or whatever his name is said that they were painted as thugs and that is what made acquittal possible..saying that because the prosecution made them all look like thugs, the judge aquited them of the crime. So I said..maybe the prosecution made them look like thugs because they are, with criminal records and going to strip clubs known for prostitution and drug dealing.

How you got the idea cops have the right to kill unarmed thugs is beyond me...

1) I was talking about how would the cops know that before the trail just by looking at them in a club.

2) What is a thug?

Originally posted by chithappens
1) I was talking about how would the cops know that before the trail just by looking at them in a club.

2) What is a thug?

You said it helped the aquital, not when it was all going down.

and you tell me..your the one who said they were painted as thugs..where is your proof of this as well?

It goes both ways.

Type 'Sean Bell' and click a few links. You could have answered that yourself.

The judge made the right decision in the end, in such a shady case I would have been skeptical of the testimony of men with criminal records leaving a strip club known for drug dealing and prostitution as well.

This isn't about the criminal record of the men. The cop did not know who they were.

WTF does that have to do about the FACT (not an opinion, a fact) that they shot at the car 50 damn times? It remains they saw a weapon that was not there.

Stop going around the topic.

Originally posted by chithappens
This isn't about the criminal record of the men. The cop did not know who they were.

WTF does that have to do about the FACT (not an opinion, a fact) that they shot at the car 50 damn times? It remains they saw a weapon that was not there.

Stop going around the topic.

One of the cops heard one say "yo get my gun". In a high stress and tension situation I cant blame a cop for shooting, was it excessive? Maybe, but if the cop thought he heard someone say get a gun and responded by using his weapon then i respect his decision.

It is better then the alternative of the cop thinking "maybe he does or maybe he doesn't have a gun, maybe i should go ask him" then getting shot dead in the street for thinking twice.

And also the topic is the acquital of the officers..so I am not going around anything, try and keep up.

Originally posted by KidRock
One of the cops heard one say "yo get my gun". In a high stress and tension situation I cant blame a cop for shooting, was it excessive? Maybe, but if the cop thought he heard someone say get a gun and responded by using his weapon then i respect his decision.

I don't. If he shot someone innocent. Sure it is a high tension job, but guess what, that's why not every average joe does it, because you can't excuse shooting at innocent citizens 50 times.

And I am sorry, but a Cops life is not worth more than anyone elses.

Originally posted by KidRock
One of the cops heard one say "yo get my gun". In a high stress and tension situation I cant blame a cop for shooting, was it excessive? Maybe, but if the cop thought he heard someone say get a gun and responded by using his weapon then i respect his decision.

It is better then the alternative of the cop thinking "maybe he does or maybe he doesn't have a gun, maybe i should go ask him" then getting shot dead in the street for thinking twice.

And also the topic is the acquital of the officers..so I am not going around anything, try and keep up.

The "yo go get a gun" was in the club, not outside or when they were in the car.

You are not addressing what part of this is not excessive. There is no "maybe" about excess. 50 shots is a lot. These were not automatic weapons.

Originally posted by chithappens
The "yo go get a gun" was in the club, not outside or when they were in the car.

You are not addressing what part of this is not excessive. There is no "maybe" about excess. 50 shots is a lot. These were not automatic weapons.

The cops heard someone was going to get a gun..giving them reason to believe a gun would be in play..same thing.

And 3 cops shooting off 50 9mm rounds wouldn't take that long or even seem like a lot, especially if you think someone else has a gun and may return fire on you.

Originally posted by KidRock
The cops heard someone was going to get a gun..giving them reason to believe a gun would be in play..same thing.

This is how people getting killed "by accident" all the damn time. By that logic, damn near anyone should be killed on suspicion.

"**** Bush." Guess I'm a terrorist.

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Originally posted by chithappens

"**** Bush."
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Well if you say that followed by "go get my suicide bomb vest"..then yes 💃 💃