Originally posted by ImpedimentWhich is an interesting debate all in itself actually. "How far are criminals really to blame for their actions?"
When I worked for the prison system as a correctional officer, I had a lot of inmates tell me that they wished their parents had spanked them, then maybe they would have learned their lesson and might not have ended up in the inside.
Originally posted by Phucked UpI wonder how much safer the world really is. Or whether that's just the gloom outlook every generation has about their own time. I mean the "a paradise 60 yyears ago" seems to be a common theme throughout history anyways.
The world is a higher risk place to live nowadays, but there are still ways for the children to go out and have fun with friends without needing to worry about drug dealers or pedobear. I was a kid only a short time ago, these problems were still rampant and I was able to go hang out with friends or go for long bike rides around town. We weren't stupid, we knew to stay away from shady people and to always be quizzical about those who are too nice.
Originally posted by ImpedimentSounds like the mother needs a good beating too 😉
So earlier today, I took my daughter, Madison, with me to go and pick up my weekly paycheck. After I deposited my money in the bank, I decided that we should go to McDonald's for lunch. We order our meals and sit down to eat, when suddenly a little black boy, probably about 3 years old, walks up and sits down at our table with us. I laugh, since he was cute little tyke, and I found it humorous that he would just come a sit down like that. My daughter is playing with her toy she got out of her Happy Meal I bought her, when all of a sudden, the little boy [b]snatches her toy out of her hands and runs off. Well, Madison began to cry because her toy got stolen, and I stood up and walked over to the kid and calmly took back the toy that he stole and I said to him, "This doesn't belong to you, son. You have to give it back."Well folks, the shit hit the fan. This little bastard began to, literally, scream, cry, jump up and down, roll on the floor, and beat his fists. He acted like I had just beat him with a belt and screamed at him. Naturally, his mother walked over, concerned, and asked me, in a rude voice, "What the hell did you do to my boy?!?" I explained to her that her son stole my child's toy and ran away and I took it back. She immediately became unglued. "Why the hell did you do that!! You could have just as easily went back to the counter and asked for another toy! Now you got him all worked up and crying, and now I'll have to deal with this horseshit!" I told her that, maybe, if you would beat his little ass now and again, instead of letting him act like a damn heathen, he probably wouldn't act like this! All the while we are in this argument, the little shit is still on the floor screaming and crying.
She then proceeded to call me "White-ass" and "Racist" because, evidently, I wouldn't have done this were it another white child involved. I was a rude motherf*cker, and I was mean to her child. The manager came out and intervened. I explained to her what happened and I received a refund of my meal, and the b*tchy mom ans her little failed abortion were asked to leave.
Some parents just need to whoop their kids' ass every now and then. I discipline my child, and she is well behaved and courteous as a result. I just thought I'd let you guys know about this little incident, since it was the high point of my day. [/B]
Originally posted by Bardock42
I wonder how much safer the world really is. Or whether that's just the gloom outlook every generation has about their own time. I mean the "a paradise 60 yyears ago" seems to be a common theme throughout history anyways.
It's probably not too much different than it was 50 years ago, TV just makes you want to believe it is.
Originally posted by Phucked UpSure, but how far could they control their actions? Personally I am of the opinion that the punishment aspect of the law is bullshit anyways, and in the protection one the question really doesn't pose itself. But I guess it's philosophical anyways.
Fully...no matter what, it's still their actions that send them to jail/prison.
Originally posted by Phucked Up
How do you mean?
I think he means that their parents have mind ****ed them beyond repair and they basically can't tell right from wrong, so if it is all psychological then they have no control over their actions.
Drug addict and Pedophiles...ehh, Drug addicts I feel bad for, now Drug "dealers" know what they are doing and there is nothing phsychological there, the pedophile thing is also phsychological but IMO that justifies feck all
Originally posted by ImpedimentNah, everyone basically. Though those are specific examples that make it more clear. Though there are pedophiles that are quite able to control themselves and you could argue that the first hit is free choice for any addict.
Are you referring to drug addicts and/or pedophiles?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, you could argue philosophically that they were determined to do what they did due to their upbringing etc. And then you could argue that already misfortunate people get punished on top of it.
I'm not going to lie and say that if a child is brought up right they won't end up in prison, but I would say that those brought up wrong will have the higher percentage in prisons.
The parents ****ed them over, but once you're of a certain age, free will takes over and it's up to you to make the right choices.
Originally posted by Phucked Up
I'm not going to lie and say that if a child is brought up right they won't end up in prison, but I would say that those brought up wrong will have the higher percentage in prisons.The parents ****ed them over, but once you're of a certain age, free will takes over and it's up to you to make the right choices.
Well, that's the point though, that's the way our system says it, once you are 18 it's your problem. Thing though is, you don't magically get unscrewed on your 18s birthday in real life.
I am talking purely hypothetical by the way, I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter...just saying it's an interesting debate.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, that's the point though, that's the way our system says it, once you are 18 it's your problem. Thing though is, you don't magically get unscrewed on your 18s birthday in real life.I am talking purely hypothetical by the way, I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter...just saying it's an interesting debate.
I'm not saying you get fixed on your 18th birthday either, but once you're thrust into "real life" and feel the consequences of your actions more, I would think that would help dissuade you from doing what is wrong.
Originally posted by Phucked UpThing though is that you likely have a better life doing illegal stuff right up until you get caught.
I'm not saying you get fixed on your 18th birthday either, but once you're thrust into "real life" and feel the consequences of your actions more, I would think that would help dissuade you from doing what is wrong.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Thing though is that you likely have a better life doing illegal stuff right up until you get caught.
For some, however it's more likely your life is worse off. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've known people who do illegal activities and they live(d) in constant paranoia and usually they were poor because they would waste whatever money they made from their activities on drugs or other things.
Originally posted by Phucked Up
For some, however it's more likely your life is worse off. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've known people who do illegal activities and they live(d) in constant paranoia and usually they were poor because they would waste whatever money they made from their activities on drugs or other things.
Then the question is why they are not realizing that. Which might be traced back to upbringing.