Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, you have a problem with the rationalisation: "Spankings equal violence upon the child.", when YOU started a thread suggesting that beating kids was the way forward in parenting?Shitty parents might need to beat their kids, good parents never have to lay a hand on them.
-AC
Spoken like someone who has never raised a child.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Wait, you have a problem with the rationalisation: "Spankings equal violence upon the child.", when YOU started a thread suggesting that beating kids was the way forward in parenting?Shitty parents might need to beat their kids, good parents never have to lay a hand on them.
-AC
You, too, obviously, are one of those who associate discipline (spankings) with violence. I admit that, in retrospect, I should have not used the word "beat" in my thread title. I was just still a little fumed from my earlier ordeal. I condone, wholeheartedly, with swattings/spankings as a form of discipline. I do not, and never will, condone beatings, seeing as how I, myself, was beaten as a child. And I do mean beaten.
Furthermore, I disagree with your below statement. Even the best of parents will have to lay a hand on their child. Thats why children are children: because they don't know any better.I think, and hope, that, if and when you have children of your own, you can understand that.
Welcome back, A.C. 😉
Originally posted by Impediment
"Children are smarter than any of us. Know how I know that? I don't know one child with a full time job and children." -Bill Hicks
I don't understand this. Are you unhappy with your full time job and kid?
If not, why post the quote? It seems that many "men" who settle down into the groove that is societally expected don't usually want it 100%. That's what the quote implies.
Originally posted by Impediment
You, too, obviously, are one of those who associate discipline (spankings) with violence. I admit that, in retrospect, I should have not used the word "beat" in my thread title. I was just still a little fumed from my earlier ordeal. I condone, wholeheartedly, with swattings/spankings as a form of discipline. I do not, and never will, condone beatings, seeing as how I, myself, was beaten as a child. And I do mean [b]beaten.[/b]
Let's straighten things out.
When you say the WORD "Beaten", do you mean kids should be "Beaten", or do you mean kids, sometimes, deserve a spanking? Because I think the problem here is, you said parents really need to give their kids beatings, when you meant something completely different. That would mean me associating the words is your ill communication. See, I associate "Parents should really beat their kids." with...beating kids. I associate "Parents should spank their kids." with spanking.
Originally posted by Impediment
Furthermore, I disagree with your below statement. Even the best of parents will have to lay a hand on their child. Thats why children are children: because they don't know any better.I think, and hope, that, if and when you have children of your own, you can understand that.
If parents feel they simply HAVE to hit a child in anyway, then they clearly don't know any better. I'm not denying it can work, I'm just saying it's possible not to have to come to that, and some parents resort to it too quickly.
-AC
Originally posted by Phucked Up
Spoken like someone who has never raised a child.
Why does having raised a child automatically make someone's debate credible and not, oh, biased?
There are two entirely credible sides to this. Someone who hasn't had a kid can still have a large idea of what it's like, even if it's not exact. People with kids tend to have the presumptuous and pretentious view that nobody else knows anything about the subject, and then the line "I'm a father.", becomes cue for every other blind dad to wave the pom poms, as opposed to going "Well wait, it's true, we are biased, they might be saying something quite credible.".
Your post, as usual, was spoken like someone with nothing valuable to contribute.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If parents feel they simply HAVE to hit a child in anyway, then they clearly don't know any better. I'm not denying it can work, I'm just saying it's possible not to have to come to that, and some parents resort to it too quickly.-AC
Not true, A.C. Not true. I'm not trying to resort to "elitism", since I'm a dad and you're not, but you're wrong. This is me talking from experience.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who are you trying to convince? You posted the quote, not me. I simply asked why, you answered. Is that so hard to swallow?I edited my above post to reply.
-AC
Again, snookums, you fail to see that I posted that quote for humorous reasons. If you haven't noticed my Bill Hicks avatar and sig, I happen to be a fan of Bill Hicks.
Are you making the claim that it is impossible to raise a child without laying a hand on it, and not have it turn out undisciplined or whatever?
Is this a path you which to take?
I haven't ever, ever been smacked, hit, beaten. I've respected, admired and loved my parents my whole life, it only increases with time. If I was ever bad, they didn't stoop to my level or impose their will with savagery, they took away that which I enjoyed or shouted at me, I soon learned my lesson.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Are you making the claim that it is impossible to raise a child without laying a hand on it, and not have it turn out undisciplined or whatever?Is this a path you which to take?
I haven't ever, ever been smacked, hit, beaten. I've respected, admired and loved my parents my whole life, it only increases with time. If I was ever bad, they didn't stoop to my level or impose their will with savagery, they took away that which I enjoyed or shouted at me, I soon learned my lesson.
-AC
You're insinuating that spankings/swattings is savagery?
The path I take is that of a man who dedicates his life to the productive growth of his only child. Do I "beat" my child. No. I will never subject her to the horrors that I was subjected to.
I do, however, discipline my child in ways that include and up to spankings. I also resort to methods that do not involve me having to swat her.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well then what's the issue?You proposed that being a dad entitles you to experience that proves it's not possible to be a parent and not lay a hand on your kid. My father has a lot more experience with being one than you do, and he's never laid a hand on any of us.
-AC
Reported.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well then what's the issue?You proposed that being a dad entitles you to experience that proves it's not possible to be a parent and not lay a hand on your kid. My father has a lot more experience with being one than you do, and he's never laid a hand on any of us.
-AC
The whole "my dad has more experience than you" comment is nil. I have, and more commonly do, use methods of discipline that do not involve spankings. My main argument of this thread is that I feel that this little monster I encountered in McDonald's is, in fact, deserving of a spanking. Then, maybe, he wouldn't act like such a little shit.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Bit presumptuous.
No, what is presumptuous is him saying that you're automatically a bad parent if you spank your child. He has no facts to back his statement up. Until he is a father or has had a heavy hand in raising one, he won't know exactly what he's talking about.
Originally posted by ImpedimentThe kid in your story likely hadn't had much sort of discipline of any kind and though a spanking might help, so could other methods. Like starving him. Or maybe holding his head under water.
The whole "my dad has more experience than you" comment is nil. I have, and more commonly do, use methods of discipline that do not involve spankings. My main argument of this thread is that I feel that this little monster I encountered in McDonald's is, in fact, deserving of a spanking. Then, maybe, he wouldn't act like such a little shit.
Originally posted by Phucked UpNot really. He has about the same right to make that claim as does a father of 5 children. They both would have to back it up with more than "their experience" and that backing it up would beat any "my experience".
No, what is presumptuous is him saying that you're automatically a bad parent if you spank your child. He has no facts to back his statement up. Until he is a father or has had a heavy hand in raising one, he won't know exactly what he's talking about.