Odin vs Superman(sundipped)

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Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Ouallada
I can even repeat slowly if you still cannot comprehend it.

Do quote me on that. Hulk is faulty because this analogy requires two beings of similar physical states, save strength and skill. keep avoiding that though.

I have already posted an actual weightlifter. Why use Hulk when we have a weightlifter? After all, according to you, wolverine is apparently just a black belt. Who wins then?

Thanos does not equal skill, but he is definitely more skilled at H2H than hulk. To hulk, Thanos could well equate to skill.

The question still stands. Apparently it is fair to pair a low/mid herald with a street-level just because hulk is a "weightlifter". Surely I would be correct to pair an actual weightlifter with wolverine then, by your logic? it sounds pretty stupid, but then and again, it's your logic.

So says the person who doesn't understand a simple analogy.

You did notice I said "ignore". Of course, you have not answered anything about hulk being far faster than wolverine ever will be, or how his healing factor is superior. Heal from a skeleton? Been there, done that. More than once.

Of hulk? Time to clutch at straws, I reckon.

Of course, but then and again I'm simply following your logic. Hulk = weightlifter, so Thanos, a guy who beat Hulk and Thing together H2H and who trained Gamorra should at least be above wolverine, whom you consider a blackbelt. Where's the problem?

Course not. Would Reed expect Thing to understand quantum physics? I don't expect you to understand everything either. I'll be patient. And nurturing.

Let me rephrase. 2+2=4. If you're the only person who says 2+2 =25, you're wrong. Of course, according to you, understanding = ad populem. Wonderful.

I love how people say this after trying to justify their psuedo-fallacies.

Why, thank you, but I know how sharp my tongue is. No need to tell me what I already know.

Pretty obvious, isn't it? There isn't one.

How can I see a quote which you have not given me? Go on. I want a quote in which quanchi explicitly stated that. With emphasis on explicitly. I am a patient person, no worries.

You have it backwards. You gave a faulty analogy to showcase how you want it to end up. Let's try my faulty example. Reza vs Wolverine. Go on. Stop ducking it.

That's the problem. You aren't very good at this intellectual stuff.

You were one in three. pretty good for you. Now you are one in four. Starting to look more like yourself.

And this has to do with his healing factor how?

Which part of faster do you not understand?

Go look in the hulk thread, or start that thread. better than appearing vacuous.

It's still a flawed analogy, but Wolverine can beat him. Not the point though. It's still a flawed analogy.

You know how Theron got an Oscar for acting ugly? I should get one for acting stupid. It isn't my fault that I can't.

Nah, the view is good here. Laughter is good for my joints.

The three little pigs thought they understood how to keep the big bad wolf out of their homes too. Why would I project my inadequacies, few as they are? I'm helping you. Community service.

Once again, a beautiful phrase gets shattered by your ineptitude.

Nope. That wasn't a eulogy, or a witticism. That was the truth.
I notice you still have yet to say anything that's either true or logical. Just bullshit.

Well you got one in that both Hulk and Wolverine have excellent healing factors... but since I said it first it doesn't count in your favor.

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Didnt I tell you? Everytime Creshock gets into a debate with somebody he ends up calling them a fanboy. Lets just add Odin fanboys to the list now.

Ouallada Senior Member

Nah, I'm a hulk fanboy now, for saying that he is probably stronger than Thanos, especially as he gets riled up. Even though anyone who has seen my posts knows that I distinctly dislike the character.

Mindset Senior Member

Hulk may be able to physically lift more than Thanos, but if you are using hth fighting as proof of ones strength, then Thanos has killed SS with punches.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Man were getting way off-topic.....

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Ouallada
I can even repeat slowly if you still cannot comprehend it.
Sorry illogical bullshit is hard for me to understand, just as logical reaosning is hard for you to understand.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Do quote me on that. Hulk is faulty because this analogy requires two beings of similar physical states, save strength and skill. keep avoiding that though.
and the two are pretty similar... except for the size thing, but you don't HAVE to be the same height and weight as a weight lifter in order to have a martial art's black belt.

So no this is a stipulation that you yourself are putting on something that doesn't exist in the real world.

weight lifter:
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/drugs/assets/weightlifter.jpg
Black belt:
http://www.northeastopen.com/judges/noguera.jpg

Physically the same? Nope...

Originally posted by Ouallada
I have already posted an actual weightlifter. Why use Hulk when we have a weightlifter? After all, according to you, wolverine is apparently just a black belt. Who wins then?
I'm sorry didn't your comparison use that real world eight lifter versus wolverine? And you were talking about needing to have them be physically the same earlier? Way to contradict yourself

Originally posted by Ouallada
Thanos does not equal skill,
Then how can you use him to represent skill if he's not skill?

Originally posted by Ouallada
but he is definitely more skilled at H2H than hulk.
but he's not as skilled as a black belt, which is why your example doesn't work.

Originally posted by Ouallada
To hulk, Thanos could well equate to skill.
But still not a black belt where Hulk is a weightlifter...

Originally posted by Ouallada
The question still stands. Apparently it is fair to pair a low/mid herald with a street-level just because hulk is a "weightlifter".
So hulk DOES NOT represent strength? You're clearly not following the conversation properly. Strength was brought up. The weight lifter was brought up at the same time as the Hulk. that set our standard for the weight lifter. You don't like it take it up with quanchi.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Surely I would be correct to pair an actual weightlifter with wolverine then, by your logic?
Hardly. What was that about controls and variables?

OH yeah hulk has an awesome healing factor... and since Wolverine doesn't he doesn't qualify... except that wolverine DOES have an awesome healing factor...

Originally posted by Ouallada
it sounds pretty stupid, but then and again, it's your logic.
Nope, a perversion of my logic is not my logic. And clearly since Thanos is not skill he does not qualify. and since the real world weight lifter doesn't have the healing factor he doesn't qualify by either of our logics...

If I wanted to ignore the haling factor I could have gone with Dardevil or Batman vs the Hulk... but I went with a skilled guy that has a healing factor... you? You didn't even go with a blackbelt level guy...

Originally posted by Ouallada
So says the person who doesn't understand a simple analogy.
No, that's YOU who doesn't understand. I understand a simple analogy just fine. I also recognize the false analogy fallacy.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You did notice I said "ignore". Of course, you have not answered anything about hulk being far faster than wolverine ever will be, or how his healing factor is superior.
Oh yes the Hulk is faster which is why Wolverine usually dances around Hulk pretty well... 🙄

Originally posted by Ouallada
Heal from a skeleton? Been there, done that. More than once.
As has wolverine. More than once. I fail to see what this proves.

"Oh my guy has done the same things as your guy! that means my guy can do the things your guy can do better!"

Keep thinking that...

Originally posted by Ouallada
Of hulk? Time to clutch at straws, I reckon.
ITs what you've been doing ALL along... Thanos is a blackbelt. 😂

Originally posted by Ouallada
Of course, but then and again I'm simply following your logic. Hulk = weightlifter, so Thanos, a guy who beat Hulk and Thing together H2H
With a backhand... thus being strength not actual skill thus fail.

Originally posted by Ouallada
and who trained Gamorra should at least be above wolverine, whom you consider a blackbelt. Where's the problem?
ad hoc reasoning. A>B and C<D therefore A>D!

Originally posted by Ouallada
Course not. Would Reed expect Thing to understand quantum physics?
That's hilarious... I said I wasn't expecting intelligence from you and then you say that Reed doesn't expect understanding from thing...

Love the comparison.
I don't expect intelligence
Reed doesn't expect understanding.

Thank you. 🙂

Originally posted by Ouallada
I don't expect you to understand everything either. I'll be patient. And nurturing.
Which is funny since you haven't understood what's been going on except the fanboy reasoning you and quanchi keep spouting. and Phantom Zone and King Kandy keep swallowing. and regurgitating to small degrees.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Let me rephrase. 2+2=4. If you're the only person who says 2+2 =25, you're wrong.
Obviously if people agree on something that happens to be true that means that there is no such thing as an appeal to the populus fallacy, and there for whenever a group of people agree with something it has to be right!

Or you know not... it just means they happen to agree with something that's right. Of course using the reaosning that 2+2=4 BECAUSE the people agree is still the ad populem fallacy. The conclusion is right, the justification for why is wrong.

The sky is blue because Ice Cream tastes like purple.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Of course, according to you, understanding = ad populem. Wonderful.[]/b]
Haha no... ad populem is appealing to the people. "All these people understand why don't you?"

You'll note that throughout the history of mankind its been the minority of people with the true understanding of what's happening and the masses who all think something innaccurately had the common understanding... Lets talk about the world is flat because it was the understanding of the majority of people that it was flat as compared to the few who first figured out it was not... Since reality is dictated by the masses, clearly the earth is flat. Or you know not... sicnce the majority of people were wrong.

Originally posted by Ouallada
[B]I love how people say this after trying to justify their psuedo-fallacies.
I'm not the one that's trying to justify a fallacy here mr "If most people say 2+2=4 while you say 2+2=25, therefore the majority of people are right!"

But hey you can defend wolverine beating lobo and Storm beating wonder woman... I'll just call you what you are... a marvel Fanboy... Hey its true. you ignore logic and reasoning in favor of the fallacy of ad populem.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Why, thank you, but I know how sharp my tongue is. No need to tell me what I already know.
You're ears are still stuffed with cotton.. figuratively speaking of course.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Pretty obvious, isn't it? There isn't one.
There isn't one because you refuse to see it?

Wishful thinking fallacy.

Originally posted by Ouallada
How can I see a quote which you have not given me? Go on. I want a quote in which quanchi explicitly stated that. With emphasis on explicitly. I am a patient person, no worries.
Just not a very observant one or one who's good at comprehending.

I gave a post where quanchi says this isn't a strength contest its a vs match(fight)

It obvious that you can't understand his implications that Strength isn't used in a fight at that time... CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO!

You only see what you want to see... which is why somehow you took sarcasm as bieng literal...

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Ouallada
You have it backwards. You gave a faulty analogy to showcase how you want it to end up.
Uh no, quanchi's the one who brought up the analogy... I gave an example of how it fails...

Originally posted by Ouallada
Let's try my faulty example. Reza vs Wolverine. Go on. Stop ducking it.
Oh I'm sorry, didn't you mention something about controls and variables? and then started talking about a healing factor?

No wonder you stick up for quanchi, your points only qualify when they're in your favor.

Originally posted by Ouallada
That's the problem. You aren't very good at this intellectual stuff.
Projecting.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You were one in three. pretty good for you. Now you are one in four. Starting to look more like yourself.
right. 🙄 Still better than your perfect 0 score... 🙄

Originally posted by Ouallada
And this has to do with his healing factor how?
Oh I'm sorry, I thoguht you wanted me to debate on your terms of red herring and disconnects. You said "Name something Wolverine has done that hulk hasn't" which is a tacit strawman implying that I said that Wolverine was better. I don't have to answer your real question until you prove that it was a stance I was taking. Why should I prove something I don't agree with? You're clever in the chihuahua with a stick sort of way.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Which part of faster do you not understand?
The realivancy?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Go look in the hulk thread, or start that thread. better than appearing vacuous.
Sorry I don't want yto start sounding like you. You know, on a high horse head stuck up his ass sort of thing...

Originally posted by Ouallada
It's still a flawed analogy, but Wolverine can beat him.
Wolverine can beat Collosus... how?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Not the point though. It's still a flawed analogy.
Which is my point... Quanchi brought up a flawed analogy. I'm using examples... try to keep up mr Intellectually superior to me. [/sarcasm]<- put this here because you seem pretty bad at picking up on it.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You know how Theron got an Oscar for acting ugly? I should get one for acting stupid. It isn't my fault that I can't.
That's cause there's no acting involved.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nah, the view is good here. Laughter is good for my joints.
Simple things amuse simple people.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The three little pigs thought they understood how to keep the big bad wolf out of their homes too. Why would I project my inadequacies, few as they are? I'm helping you. Community service.
Oh so that explains your motivations.. you think you understand things and think you're doing the service by spreading your stupidity and fanboyism. And remember boils and ghouls, this guy has been insulting me as well.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Once again, a beautiful phrase gets shattered by your ineptitude.
Yeah sorry, I'm not very good at dealing with fanboys. their stupidity kinda irks me which is why I'm inept at talking to them

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nope. That wasn't a eulogy, or a witticism. That was the truth.
You woldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nah, I'm a hulk fanboy now, for saying that he is probably stronger than Thanos, especially as he gets riled up. Even though anyone who has seen my posts knows that I distinctly dislike the character.
That's about as beleiveable as the people who say "I like the character, but he sucks ass"

Had one guy who tried to claim he likes a character in order to try and gain credibility. Then he turns around and spouts nonsense and bullshit to try and degrade the character.

"He thinks I'm a fanboy because I say hulk is strongest there is, when I acutally hate the hulk"

uh huh...

Badabing Gym rat

Guys, I've been getting too many reports from this thread. Let's be civil please. Thanks.

As you're all probably aware I can deal out much harsher measures than warnings and closing threads now. biscuits

😛

Mindset Senior Member

No you can't, stop lying Bada.

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by Mindset
No you can't, stop lying Bada.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10500547&highlight=userid%3A89307#post10500547

biscuits

Mindset Senior Member

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quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nah, the false analogy was yours... which is why my example makes it fail. try harder next time to be logical.

SO its not applicable to comics in a debate about comic book characters? 😱
Naw you just don't like how I proved that it was a false analogy by bringing up a strngoer character who beats a more skilled character....

Actually you bringing up something that now you say isn't applicable to comic book characters in a comic book character debate makes you fail.

🤣

Nope I gave a real life example and you tried putting up a comic book example. Again its real life example as some people put those up from time to time to explain something. It doesnt always have to be about comic books. I gave that example to prove the stronger person or character doesnt always win the fight.

Look Odin beats superman and I wont be lured into this flame war.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nope I gave a real life example and you tried putting up a comic book example. Again its real life example as some people put those up from time to time to explain something. It doesnt always have to be about comic books.
It has nothing to do with comic books! 😱 then its just off topic spam! 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave that example to prove the stronger person or character
Character? So you ARE trying to apply it to comic books. See quanchi? I saw through your lies. 131

Originally posted by quanchi112
doesnt always win the fight.
And the example I gave shows how your analogy is flawed.

but hey it only applies when you want it to. biscuits

Originally posted by quanchi112
Look Odin beats superman and I wont be lured into this flame war.
That you started with that bullshit of yours?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Creshosk
It has nothing to do with comic books! 😱 then its just off topic spam! 😆

Character? So you ARE trying to apply it to comic books. See quanchi? I saw through your lies. 131

And the example I gave shows how your analogy is flawed.

but hey it only applies when you want it to. biscuits

That you started with that bullshit of yours?

Quallada has already picked apart your flimsy logic while you passed off that analogy as something I said which I didnt. That was your analogy while I siad Hulk wins the whole time.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quallada has already picked apart your flimsy logic
You and he wish...

Originally posted by quanchi112
while you passed off that analogy as something I said which I didnt.
Oh, lying to me again. Nice. Just like your analogy wasn't to be applied to comic books .. but it was to show that CHARACTERS don't always win... Nice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was your analogy while I siad Hulk wins the whole time.
Yes, I know you say Hulk wins the whole time. You're very well known for that... that was kind of my point.

Hulk is stronger, like the weightlifter in your selectively applied false analogy. and Wolverine is more skilled like the blackbelt in your selectively applied false analogy.

The black belt didn't win did he?

Phantom Zone Junior Member

I dunno someting tells me if Creshock wasnt her insulting posters there would be less reports.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dunno someting tells me if Creshock wasnt her insulting posters there would be less reports.
I know that if you weren't around there'd be less reports.

Cause yeah, I just reported you. doped

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
I know that if you weren't around there'd be less reports.

Cause yeah, I just reported you. doped

Exactly. You're the one insulting people, you get them annoyed and then you report them. Instead of you getting a warning the thread gets closed. 👆

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No bullying the children Creshok.

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Odin.