Odin vs Superman(sundipped)

Originally posted by Ouallada
I can certainly see that [/sarcasm]

What's the problem? Thanos < Hulk in terms of physical strength when the latter is sufficiently riled up.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You still don't get it. Hulk is the faulty analogy, not Wolverine.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Comparing a street-leveller to a low/mid herald is obviously fine with you, but me comparing a low/mid herald to a trans level is not? Once again, pot kettle black.

Hulk = strength = weight lifter. ✅
Wolverine = skill = black belt. ✅
Thanos = skill = black belt. 😑❌

Originally posted by Ouallada
I couldn't care less who you are arguing for. I saw something really stupid going on, and wanted to clean up.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The arguments are following you line of logic:

You: Hulk is only stronger than wolverine (ignoring all of hulk's other physical stats) and so it is a fair match.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Me: Thanos is not stronger than Hulk and so it is a fair match.

Originally posted by Ouallada
You: But that's stupid.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Me: Duh. That's your reasoning. You expected intelligence?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Understanding something is not an opinion. It is cognitive perception. [/quote[ Which you sorely, sorely lack.
[QUOTE=10508370]Originally posted by Ouallada
If a hundred people walk by and smell bullshit but you don't, chances are something is wrong with your nose.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Your inability to even use logical fallacies properly is amusing.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Such wit.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I don't see it.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I want a quote that explicitly states what you claimed, not what you spun.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Do I need to spell everything out for you? The analogy was that a weightlifter would not necessarily beat a blackbelt.

I gave an example of where the stronger person would beat the more skilled person to show what a faulty analogy that was.

Originally posted by Ouallada
The person who equated weightlifters to hulk and blackbelts to wolverine was you.

Originally posted by Ouallada
He is strong, and fast, and heals pretty damn quick. So I guess you were a third right. Batting way above your average there.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Name something that Hulk hasn't done please.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Anything wolverine regenerates from, hulk regenerates from as well, and almost definitely faster.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Has a better healing factor

Originally posted by Ouallada
and is exponentially faster. That isn't enough to make it unfair? Tell you what. Here is my new suggestion, once again following your logic: we simply need someone who is stronger than Wolverine.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Hossein Reza vs Wolverine. The former is stronger, but the latter is more skilled. Have fun.[b/][quote] Sorry ,you sorely want to disregard the character than QUANCHI brought up remember?

[QUOTE=10508370]Originally posted by Ouallada
[B]Guess whose logic I was trying to parallel?

Originally posted by Ouallada
I'm sorry if I can't do it perfectly. I don't lower myself to your standards very often.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Still using phrases that you do not even understand properly. How sad.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I understand why. A cow doesn't appreciate the harmonica either. You're forgiven.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nah you don't swallow it. You spout it.

I notice you still have yet to say anything that's either true or logical. Just bullshit.

Well you got one in that both Hulk and Wolverine have excellent healing factors... but since I said it first it doesn't count in your favor.

Who said he was using all of imperiexes energy for the engines cause im preety sure I didnt,the entirety of warworld was amped by imperiex though so he was using atleast some of that....if superman won against warworld engines amped by all of imperiexs energy this wouldnt be being debated at all,why dont you and everyone else who keeps asking all these dumb questions idk go out and actually read the damn story.

Originally posted by olympian
It gets even weirder when said power wasent enough to conquer Earth. You had Imperex simbiontes that wer being destroyed by Black Ligthing.

Then, you have to prove that whatever amount he was using to move Warworld is enough to make the feat impressive enough to justify giving Superman the win over Odin.

Maybe its just not as impressive as you paint it?

The damn feat is vague on itself for starters.

Originally posted by olympian
It gets even weirder when said power wasent enough to conquer Earth. You had Imperex simbiontes that wer being destroyed by Black Ligthing.

Ah there you go.....

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Who said he was using all of imperiexes energy for the engines cause im preety sure I didnt,the entirety of warworld was amped by imperiex though so he was using atleast some of that....if superman won against warworld engines amped by all of imperiexs energy this wouldnt be being debated at all,why dont you and everyone else who keeps asking all these dumb questions idk go out and actually read the damn story.

So what the hell does it prove then? Whats the point in bringing it up?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said it was a factor but wasnt always the determining factor. You seem to be misunderstanding me and putting up false analogies representing what it was that I meant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I put up a real life example which had nothing to do with comics

Originally posted by quanchi112
or powers. Then you tried to put your spin on that and say falsely that was what I was saying when it wasnt.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You attached two comic book characters to my real life example which fails on many levels.

🤣

I really dont,lets see warworld is backed by a big bangs worth of energy yep,braniac amped by that energy was unable to stop superman yep,warworld full power ftl planet moving engines amped by imperiex couldnt stop superman yep,ive more then proved it,superman as he was portrayed in OWAW would get atleast a couple wins over odin.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nah, the false analogy was yours... which is why my example makes it fail. try harder next time to be logical.

SO its not applicable to comics in a debate about comic book characters? 😱
Naw you just don't like how I proved that it was a false analogy by bringing up a strngoer character who beats a more skilled character....

Actually you bringing up something that now you say isn't applicable to comic book characters in a comic book character debate makes you fail.

🤣

Look just go away. 😐

No, you haven't.

Originally posted by olympian
Maybe its just not as impressive as you paint it?

The damn feat is vague on itself for starters.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
So imperiexes minions=imperiex now?braniac wasnt amped by imperiex minions he was amped by imperiexes full power so you brought this up for no reason at all.

Where did the prones got theyr energy from?

And that still wouldnt change the fact that the powa of the Big Bang failed to conquer Earth. You look at Odin`s battle with Set, and the simple side dimensional effects around the Earth wer more impressive than that.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Its not vague at all unless you got a hate on for superman which o yea you do,bringing up bullshit like imperiex probes getting beat by black lightning proves that enough,and silent yea its enough go fail somewhere else.

Rigth, like its hating on Superman to actually pointing out to the idiot who posted the "holding the black hole feat" that he shouldnt sell the feat as it was marked when the damn dialogue especifically tells, that the whole point of the feat was NOT letting the hole get released in the first place?

If the feat wasent vague, readers wouldnt debate its validy in the first place. Hell, Thor`s fishing of the giant worm is vague as everything about the Serpents weigth and space. The one thing that saves the feat at all, its how we read and watch the Earth being effected as it WAS.

Its like someone telling me i hate on Superman, by pointing how that when he and Diana wer trying to hold the Specter, the line given to make it look impressive isent really about weigth, since "Eternity" isent a measure of weigth, but time.

But then someone else sells it like "they held someone with the weigth of the universe!" wich looks impressive. Until someone mentioned that the Moon wasent even dented when the Specter fell.

No, it's not.

The Odin side has given galaxy level feats, you haven't been able to prove that moving Warworld is on that level.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Look just go away. 😐

Seriously... quanchi brings up a real life example in order to try and counter a comic book argument, then when I bring up an example where it fails he says I fail for attaching it to comic book characters when he clearly was implying it to attach to Superman=weightlifter Odin =black belt.

Which is not only cicular reasoning if he attempts to say that Odin wins because of the false analogy, but is obviously just a false analaogy because I brought up an example where the more skilled person loses to the stronger person.

I do love these posts of yours however when you can't counter something you say that the other person is wasting your time, or you just sigh or you tell them to go away, Kotex.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's not.

The Odin side has given galaxy level feats, you haven't been able to prove that moving Warworld is on that level.

Originally posted by olympian
Where did the prones got theyr energy from?

Having and using are not the same thing, so far you haven't proven he was actively using that level of power when Superman moved Warworld.

Edit: and where did it say that he had power equal to a hundred billion galaxies?

The prones werent acting as an independent agent. And yet, in a way you are correct since anytime Galactus wishes, he can shut Norran off his power.

He did it before. And not only to one herald. But thats not the point. Its how much he used.

Heck, Warworld had engines, didnt it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's not.

The Odin side has given galaxy level feats, you haven't been able to prove that moving Warworld is on that level.

Scratch that GalaxieS. Plural. To be fair I think vlaad might have a point but id just have to read the comic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, that explains alot...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right cause as you said he's not super strong...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Not in the slightest.

Hulk = strength = weight lifter. ✅
Wolverine = skill = black belt. ✅
Thanos = skill = black belt. 😑❌

I have already posted an actual weightlifter. Why use Hulk when we have a weightlifter? After all, according to you, wolverine is apparently just a black belt. Who wins then?

Thanos does not equal skill, but he is definitely more skilled at H2H than hulk. To hulk, Thanos could well equate to skill.

The question still stands. Apparently it is fair to pair a low/mid herald with a street-level just because hulk is a "weightlifter". Surely I would be correct to pair an actual weightlifter with wolverine then, by your logic? it sounds pretty stupid, but then and again, it's your logic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Likewise. Except you persist in dirtying it up with stupid statments.

So says the person who doesn't understand a simple analogy.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Prove that I said that. 🙂

You did notice I said "ignore". Of course, you have not answered anything about hulk being far faster than wolverine ever will be, or how his healing factor is superior. Heal from a skeleton? Been there, done that. More than once.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which makes you a fanboy. 🙂

Of hulk? Time to clutch at straws, I reckon.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which it is as you're also comparing Thanos to the black belt... which is , yes, stupid.

Of course, but then and again I'm simply following your logic. Hulk = weightlifter, so Thanos, a guy who beat Hulk and Thing together H2H and who trained Gamorra should at least be above wolverine, whom you consider a blackbelt. Where's the problem?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Intelligence from you? Nope, wasn't expecting it.

Course not. Would Reed expect Thing to understand quantum physics? I don't expect you to understand everything either. I'll be patient. And nurturing.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Ad populem. I'm sorry I thought you were trying to be intelligent and logical. Not typical of the posters around here.

Let me rephrase. 2+2=4. If you're the only person who says 2+2 =25, you're wrong. Of course, according to you, understanding = ad populem. Wonderful.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I love how people say this after trying to justify their fallacies.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right back at ya.

Why, thank you, but I know how sharp my tongue is. No need to tell me what I already know.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Obviously.

Pretty obvious, isn't it? There isn't one.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Then open your eyes and take your fanboy blinders off and you'll see.

How can I see a quote which you have not given me? Go on. I want a quote in which quanchi explicitly stated that. With emphasis on explicitly. I am a patient person, no worries.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes that Strength<Skill

I gave an example of where the stronger person would beat the more skilled person to show what a faulty analogy that was.

You have it backwards. You gave a faulty analogy to showcase how you want it to end up. Let's try my faulty example. Reza vs Wolverine. Go on. Stop ducking it.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yup and it was an accruate comparison I think.

That's the problem. You aren't very good at this intellectual stuff.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Which is better than your absolute zero thus far.

You were one in three. pretty good for you. Now you are one in four. Starting to look more like yourself.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Used fighting skill rather than his strength?

And this has to do with his healing factor how?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Never said he didn't... in fact thank you for agreeing with me to level out the variables.

Which part of faster do you not understand?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Uh huh...

Go look in the hulk thread, or start that thread. better than appearing vacuous.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Okay, how about collosus?

It's still a flawed analogy, but Wolverine can beat him. Not the point though. It's still a flawed analogy.

Originally posted by Creshosk
And failing miserably at.

You know how Theron got an Oscar for acting ugly? I should get one for acting stupid. It isn't my fault that I can't.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You should try getting off your high horse more often might help you get your head out of your ass.

Nah, the view is good here. Laughter is good for my joints.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh I understand them just fine. So stopr projecting your inadequsies onto me.

The three little pigs thought they understood how to keep the big bad wolf out of their homes too. Why would I project my inadequacies, few as they are? I'm helping you. Community service.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh so now you're calling yourself a cow? Hilarious.

Once again, a beautiful phrase gets shattered by your ineptitude.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Nope, that's projecting once agian..

Nope. That wasn't a eulogy, or a witticism. That was the truth.
I notice you still have yet to say anything that's either true or logical. Just bullshit.

Well you got one in that both Hulk and Wolverine have excellent healing factors... but since I said it first it doesn't count in your favor. [/B][/QUOTE]