Odin vs Superman(sundipped) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Exactly. You're the one insulting people, you get them annoyed and then you report them. Instead of you getting a warning the thread gets closed. 👆

You mean Ouallada? The guy who said that another poster was a joke?

Originally posted by Ouallada
The joke wasn't what you wrote. It was you.

Yeah, he's totally innocent of insulting people...

Hell even his first post to me was rather insulting.

Originally posted by Ouallada
I can't decide if this is a valid question.
Would Wolverine beat Hulk even when he is physically weaker? Sure, if you give him Odin's galaxy-destroying power. He wouldn't even need that cool beard to do it. Hulk is much closer to Superman than Wolverine is to Odin, so unless you're using that as part of your cover letter for a mentally-stunted association, start singing a different tune. And yes, Wolverine could very well beat Colossus.

So yeah... before you start throwing accusations, know what's going on, Alf.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
You mean Ouallada? The guy who said that another poster was a joke?
Yeah, he's totally innocent of insulting people...
Hell even his first post to me was rather insulting.
So yeah... before you start throwing accusations, know what's going on, Alf.

From what I can see this was your first post in this thread.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Cause strength has nothing to do with fighting.
now would you perfer your dur Quan Chi flavored durquanchi or thanos flavored? thanduros

This was in reply to quanchis valid point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isnt a strength contest its a vs battle.

The reason why you are getting insulted is because you talk down to people and on top of that you dont know what you're talking about. Hell if you were more polite you would get insulted less.

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dunno someting tells me if Creshock wasnt her insulting posters there would be less reports.

Something tells me the same can be said of you.

Quan and Cresh please cool it. Thanks.

DestinyGuy678 Senior Member

Originally posted by olympian
It gets even weirder when said power wasent enough to conquer Earth. You had Imperex simbiontes that wer being destroyed by Black Ligthing.

the only way black lightning managed t odestroy one of the probes was when he redirected the nuclear power from lois's fathers exploding tank at the probe. He didnt do it by himself

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
And the example I gave shows how your analogy is flawed.
but hey it only applies when you want it to. biscuits

Did you hear him when he said that the weightlifter doesn't always win the fight? He never said that he'd always lose it either. Then he gave an analogy were strength could be trumped by other stats. So you made one where it couldn't, but Quanchi never said the weightlifter would ALWAYS lose, just that strength wouldn't give him the victory if his opponent was better in general.

Creshosk Senior Member

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
From what I can see this was your first post in this thread.
This was in reply to quanchis valid point.

It's not a valid point that strength isn't used in fights. In fact its rather a foolish statement.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The reason why you are getting insulted is because you talk down to people and on top of that you dont know what you're talking about.

Yeah I'm the one who doesn't lknow what I'm talking about that its really rich coming from you mr. "I don't read DC comics, but Punisher could beat the DCU including Darkseid" or would you like the whole "Hulk's so strong he should cause shockwaves just by moving his muscles!"

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Hell if you were more polite you would get insulted less.

Doubtful. Ouallada called the other guy a joke, when he wasn't "talking down to people". There's alot of people around here that are just like that. Hell you saw how I was treated when I first joined. I didn't insult people, but for my debating style I had people bash and flame me like there was no tomorrow.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Did you hear him when he said that the weightlifter doesn't always win the fight?

I also saw where he said "This isn't a strength contest its a vs fight" directly implying that Strength wasn't used in Vs fights. Which was pretty bad.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He never said that he'd always lose it either. Then he gave an analogy were strength could be trumped by other stats.

And I showed how it was a flawed analogy.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So you made one where it couldn't, but Quanchi never said the weightlifter would ALWAYS lose,

Just against the blackbelt... thus implying that Skill>Strength even in a comic book world... but oh, its not supposed to be used in comic books except for when he wants it to...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
just that strength wouldn't give him the victory if his opponent was better in general.

"better" is a relative term.

King Kandy Senior Member

Originally posted by Creshosk
I also saw where he said "This isn't a strength contest its a vs fight" directly implying that Strength wasn't used in Vs fights. Which was pretty bad.

No, saying "this isn't a strength contest" shows that strength isn't the sole determining factor. He never said that strength plays no part at all, merely that a versus fight is more then just strength, i.e. not a strength contest.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Just against the blackbelt... thus implying that Skill>Strength even in a comic book world... but oh, its not supposed to be used in comic books except for when he wants it to...

The point isn't that skill>strength, the point is that a stronger opponent can be beaten. That was only one scenario of many where strength does not grant victory. It was in response to people using strength feats to say Superman won. Basically Quanchi responded by saying "You can be stronger and still lose, like a weightlifter against a blackbelt." He could have used any number of characters in place of the blackbelt, because the point is that strength can be beaten, not that it necessarily is skill that beats it.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Creshosk
You and he wish...
Oh, lying to me again. Nice. Just like your analogy wasn't to be applied to comic books .. but it was to show that CHARACTERS don't always win... Nice.
Yes, I know you say Hulk wins the whole time. You're very well known for that... that was kind of my point.
Hulk is stronger, like the weightlifter in your selectively applied false analogy. and Wolverine is more skilled like the blackbelt in your selectively applied false analogy.
The black belt didn't win did he?

My example wasnt about Wolverine and the Hulk. A stronger opponent can beat a blackbelt but strength isnt always the determining factor.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, saying "this isn't a strength contest" shows that strength isn't the sole determining factor. He never said that strength plays no part at all, merely that a versus fight is more then just strength, i.e. not a strength contest.
The point isn't that skill>strength, the point is that a stronger opponent can be beaten. That was only one scenario of many where strength does not grant victory. It was in response to people using strength feats to say Superman won. Basically Quanchi responded by saying "You can be stronger and still lose, like a weightlifter against a blackbelt." He could have used any number of characters in place of the blackbelt, because the point is that strength can be beaten, not that it necessarily is skill that beats it.

You understood it perfectly. 🙂

Mindset Senior Member

Odin wins

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Unless you are prepared to claim Odin>B-13&Warworld, then Superman can take a few wins.

He took entropy blasts, and anyone who knows anything about DC knows what kind of monster durability that requires.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Unless you are prepared to claim Odin>B-13&Warworld, then Superman can take a few wins.
He took entropy blasts, and anyone who knows anything about DC knows what kind of monster durability that requires.

Do you know of Supermans weakness to magic. Odin wins.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Me thinks Entropy blasts > any kind of destructive magic thrown at him.

We also don't know if he has a magic weakness in that state as he was fundamentally altered both physically and mentally. A lot of Clarks issues with magic stems from his lack of understanding of it.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you know of Supermans weakness to magic. Odin wins.

So you ARE claiming Odin>B-13&Warworld? 🙄

Well, then you're just a troll. That's a completely asinine statement.

As Avlon just said, if he had weaknesses in that form, they were considerably less pronounced. Not to mention once again, Entropy>anything Odin can dish out.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Unless you are prepared to claim Odin>B-13&Warworld, then Superman can take a few wins.
He took entropy blasts, and anyone who knows anything about DC knows what kind of monster durability that requires.

Unless you're prepared to prove that B-13 & Warworld were actively using galaxy level power when Superman beat them, Odin wins 10/10.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
Me thinks Entropy blasts > any kind of destructive magic thrown at him.
We also don't know if he has a magic weakness in that state as he was fundamentally altered both physically and mentally. A lot of Clarks issues with magic stems from his lack of understanding of it.

Ok but we do know he has a weakness to it and nothing presented in the comic suggests otherwise. So the weakness stands unless you have any scans claiming otherwise.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Originally posted by Silent Master
Unless you're prepared to prove that B-13 & Warworld were actively using galaxy level power when Superman beat them, Odin wins 10/10.

I refuse to even dignify such an ignorant statement with anything more than dur. Did ever you even read OWAW? Imperiex nuked several galaxies and has apparently destroyed the DCU itself at least 3-4 times.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So you ARE claiming Odin>B-13&Warworld? 🙄
Well, then you're just a troll. That's a completely asinine statement.
As Avlon just said, if he had weaknesses in that form, they were considerably less pronounced. Not to mention once again, Entropy>anything Odin can dish out.

I disagree. Quit with the insults please. I have not insulted you and you are in the minority.

His weakness to magic still stands. i guess he can survive entropy blasts but he wouldnt survive too many blasts from Odin imo.

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I refuse to even dignify such an ignorant statement with anything more than dur. Did ever you even read OWAW? Imperiex nuked several galaxies and has apparently destroyed the DCU itself at least 3-4 times.

IOW, you can't.

Raoul Hey Yo!

i'm almost ready to close this for being a bait thread...

and fyi, superman's weakness to magic isn't just defined as being that all magic weakens him (like smallville kryptonite), it depends heavily on the magic type and how its used...