Originally posted by smashyou
So every feat that isn't described by the writer as ftl or something can't be used by...anyone?
Actually, it does not have to be described by the writer, it should just have some on panel evidence that can tell us the speed he/she was moving at. For example, a blurred ss has been hit by thor, but considering that we did not know ss speed at this point we cant assume that thor can block FTL blitzes( Evn though i would like to). Also wonderwoman hardly ever speedblitzes therefore we cant assume that during one of the instances she is drawn as moving fast in combat that she is moving at FTL speeds or evn remotely close to it without some sort of evidence. When we also consider that she is hit all the time during combat by characters that are not evn superfast let alone FTL, then all evidence points to her combat speed not being nearly as good as her flight speed.
Originally posted by smashyou
I am not mentioning speedblitz, I am talking about her fighting at super speed which I have saw her do plenty of times. Evidence that she gets hit all the time, ignoring that she regally blocks bullets and keeps up with Superman and is able to tag Flash.
Hmm fighting at superspeeds? Her keeping up with superman really is irrelevant cuz supes ( although he has much more vidence than she does), also does not normally attack people at superspeeds. As i hv said b4 her keeping up with supes travel speed wise is quite irrelevant as well as they are not the same thing. Also her tagging the flash really does not mean she can fight at superspeed as i hve explained in my thor example. Blocking bullets is not very impressive considering that Daredevil and spiderman can do the same ( Can they fight at superspeeds?)
OK I was just thinking, you said Spider-Man etc all dodge bullets, well so does WW. But Spider-man is to fast for Hulk, know he eventually gets him.
The different is WW does what he can do so should also be able to dodge Hulk as well.
But she is also faster than that, so she can fight (and does, you just need to read more WW) then she will.
Hulk struggles with slower opponents than her and wont touch her, along with her MA training to, he is outclassed.
Originally posted by ultimatethorYeah I was doing 3 things at the same time lol.
Ur post is not dat clear but what im saying is that there is not enough evidence to prove that WW can fight at the speeds some people claim she can. Not sure what u mean about superman
But there is, read her comics, read JLA comics. I am sorry but you are wrong about this.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Hmm fighting at superspeeds? Her keeping up with superman really is irrelevant cuz supes ( although he has much more vidence than she does), also does not normally attack people at superspeeds. As i hv said b4 her keeping up with supes travel speed wise is quite irrelevant as well as they are not the same thing. Also her tagging the flash really does not mean she can fight at superspeed as i hve explained in my thor example. Blocking bullets is not very impressive considering that Daredevil and spiderman can do the same ( Can they fight at superspeeds?)
I think these show that wonder woman has superspeed. and i have never seen spiderman nor daredevil block multiple rounds of not only bullets but lasers at close range from all direction. sorry. that doesn't cut it.
The point is not her dodging hulk. I have no doubt that she is faster than him and can dodge his attacks quite well. Howver saying hulk wont touch her is wrong. hulk struggling against slower opponents is cancelled out by wonderwoman getting hit by opponents on hulks level of speed. Ive read enough wonderwoman to know that her battle speed is not as good as you think( prove me wrong with examples ). She does have a skill advantage but the hulk has an initial and RAPIDLY GROWING strength and durability advantage. He certainly is not getting outclassed
Originally posted by ultimatethor
The point is not her dodging hulk. I have no doubt that she is faster than him and can dodge his attacks quite well. Howver saying hulk wont touch her is wrong. hulk struggling against slower opponents is cancelled out by wonderwoman getting hit by opponents on hulks level of speed. Ive read enough wonderwoman to know that her battle speed is not as good as you think( prove me wrong with examples ). She does have a skill advantage but the hulk has an initial and RAPIDLY GROWING strength and durability advantage. He certainly is not getting outclassed
Originally posted by ultimatethorUh...get hit by Hulk.
The point is not her dodging hulk. I have no doubt that she is faster than him and can dodge his attacks quite well. Howver saying hulk wont touch her is wrong. hulk struggling against slower opponents is cancelled out by wonderwoman getting hit by opponents on hulks level of speed. Ive read enough wonderwoman to know that her battle speed is not as good as you think( prove me wrong with examples ). She does have a skill advantage but the hulk has an initial and RAPIDLY GROWING strength and durability advantage. He certainly is not getting outclassed
There goes your argument down the drain. I have better things to do.
Hulk had no problem tagging Gladiator who is fast enough to enter hyperspace and catch up with a spaceship that was going FTL and had a head start. Hulk had no problem tagging Silver Surfer who can fly millions of light years in a few seconds. Hulk had no problem attacking Hyperion who fights so fast it has to be measured in nanoseconds.
If this was regular WW with all her equipment, she might have a chance. WW versus WWH, and WW has no equipment? WWH stomps her easily 10/10.
Originally posted by fangirl101I think these show that wonder woman has superspeed. and i have never seen spiderman nor daredevil block multiple rounds of not only bullets but lasers at close range from all direction. sorry. that doesn't cut it.
I dont think you evn understand what im debating. If u did u would not post extremely out of context scans. Your scans really do not show any sign of her actually engaging people in battle at superspeeds so what do they prove? That she can block bullets and get hit be people way slower than a bullet? That she can get from place to place really fast? Thor has blocked a blurred surfer, tagged gladiator, and blocked attackes from other fast guys. He can also move at FTL speeds when holding on to his hammer and has been described as fast as lightning but it does NOT mean he can fight at those speeds and .. On panel evidence still shows that thor has been hit by the likes of hulk multiple times and really has never shown his great speed when actually fighting someone. The same goes for wonderwoman who has poor battle speed feats as well. Your examples are really out of context
Originally posted by smashyou
Uh...get hit by Hulk.There goes your argument down the drain. I have better things to do.
Wow and is uppose ur baseless argument is really something? I asked you to prove that she could fight at such speeds. Your answer: First u show ur failure to grasp the concept of battle speed and travel speed by providing utterly useless and irrelevent examples, and then you tell me she can fight at such speeds but i have to go and read more JLA comics yet you who have read so many JLA comiocs can provide no example whatsoever. 🙄
Secondly you claim oh she can never get hit by hulk while on panel evidence shows her getting hit by characters on hulks level of speed.
Finally you finish off with the typical sign of a completely inept debater, When you fail to prove your points you call fanboy. HOW PATHETIC 🙁
Originally posted by fangirl101
i know you are not serious. let's look at the facts. wonder can fly. she can hurl chunks of stuff at hulk and he couldn't hit her. she's far far faster. that isn't even up for discussion. let's also look at the fact that she has blocked superman's punches with her bracers. superman has fought her at superspeeds. trying to defeat whom he thought was doomsday. you do realize that blocking lightspeed fire is a battle speed move don't you? wonderwoman out classes hulk in every way but healing. and her healing isn't too shabby. i read the rules. it says every opponent will fight to the best of thier abilities while fighting in character. her character would be to put hulk down. and her lasso could just make him turn back to banner. or she could use the lasso as brass knuckles like she did in a recent wonderwoman magazine. and pummel hulk senseless with indestructible fist at super speed.
.Now i know u are not serious.For heavens sake did u evn read the title of the thread? Fist fight no equipment just fists. Hurl chunks of rock? Lasso him? And she certainly does not evn come remotely close to outclassing him in the physical departemnt.
Nextly is there any proof that she and superman were fighting at light speed? It seems you do not at all know what im trying to debate. I do not challenge her ability to block objects at whatever speed, Howevr because of her lack of showings in which it can be proven that she is actually engaging another person in a fight at the speeds you have been claiming then in no way should it be assumed that her battle speed is the same as her normal speed
Originally posted by smashyou
Show Gladiator fighting at those speeds, we need proof of her super speed so do you.10/10?
Yeah fanboy alert alright.
I hope the forum treats you and the rest of the fanboys like the children you are. 🙂
I really hope you learn how to actually debate and soon. And with ur kind of arguments i would not go around calling others children 🤣
Originally posted by smashyou
Show Gladiator fighting at those speeds, we need proof of her super speed so do you.10/10?
Yeah fanboy alert alright.
I hope the forum treats you and the rest of the fanboys like the children you are. 🙂
Check the speed section.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=369265&pagenumber=9