Thor VS Doomsday

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doomsday has been taken out by blunt physical force. A lot. Why do people think BFR is the only reason classic Thor would win? He's never evolved past blunt physical force.

rex and dos versions, true. thor could take either. he's demolished by the more advanced versions though . . .

and i agree nj -- supes hits faster. harder is an arguable point . . .

the problem with this battle is the same problem that results from many a forum argument -- dd really has never shown the type of superman-blitz speeds (consistently) that people are attributing to him. COULD he blitz and potentially overwhelm thor like gladiator has done? sure, i guess. but that's not his typical mo. it would come down to a massive friggin brawl and thor would beat some versions that way, and he'd give a good account against the others (h/p, gog wars) but ultimately lose. as would almost any top tier and some sub-skyfathers as well, imo.

Originally posted by fangirl101
again, when has thor ever shown that he can keep up multiple high speed attacks of blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by fangirl101
or summon the far greater than superman strength it would take to knock doomsday out in one hit.

Originally posted by fangirl101
thor can't win.

Originally posted by fangirl101
doomsday can beat teams of the jla. thor cannot.

See that's why ABC logic doesn't work.

Originally posted by fangirl101
doomsday is so fast that he can catch a team full of speedsters by surprise. thor cannot.

Originally posted by fangirl101
doomsday clearly has to take lots of punishment in high speed to be put down. or put down with like uber strength.

BTW are you speaking of EVERY version of DD or do you have a specific version in mind?

Originally posted by darthgoober
When has DD?

Godblast or anti-matter blast...

Sure he can...

Hulk beat the Dr. Strange, the X-Men, the Avengers, etc. and Supes can't so that must mean that Hulk beats Supes huh?

See that's why ABC logic doesn't work.

When did DD catch a team of speedsters by surprise?

Deepening on the version sure, but don't forget that Thor HAS uber strength and a plethora of other options(including BFR) at his disposal that Supes lacks.

BTW are you speaking of EVERY version of DD or do you have a specific version in mind?

ok. doomday beat the jla with flash, wonder woman, and martian manhunter on it. may have been more. all speedsters he caught off guard. and i think thor can beat the same versions of doomsday that superman beat. but only at the same cost that superman had. the tuffer versions, like the one that was fighting darksied and superman with that head gear would lose. and the other doomsday that could get new powers mid battle. thor can't beat that one either.

be interesting to see what the godblast would do to the higher level dd's . . . i've never been sure how it would affect him. it lost a little lustre for me ever since juggs basically shrugged it off. the antimatter/antiforce blast wouldn't be enough, imo. it only took out mangog because he shot it down his throat. the higher versions of dd are imo at least mangog level. 😬

Originally posted by darthgoober
Deepening on the version sure, but don't forget that Thor HAS uber strength and a plethora of other options(including BFR) at his disposal that Supes lacks.

Originally posted by leonidas
be interesting to see what the godblast would do to the higher level dd's . . . i've never been sure how it would affect him. it lost a little lustre for me ever since juggs basically shrugged it off. the antimatter/antiforce blast wouldn't be enough, imo. it only took out mangog because he shot it down his throat. the higher versions of dd are imo at least mangog level. 😬

Originally posted by fangirl101
ok. doomday beat the jla with flash, wonder woman, and martian manhunter on it. may have been more. all speedsters he caught off guard. and i think thor can beat the same versions of doomsday that superman beat. but only at the same cost that superman had. the tuffer versions, like the one that was fighting darksied and superman with that head gear would lose. and the other doomsday that could get new powers mid battle. thor can't beat that one either.

Originally posted by fangirl101
ok. doomday beat the jla with flash, wonder woman, and martian manhunter on it. may have been more. all speedsters he caught off guard.

Originally posted by fangirl101
and i think thor can beat the same versions of doomsday that superman beat. but only at the same cost that superman had.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the tuffer versions, like the one that was fighting darksied and superman with that head gear would lose. and the other doomsday that could get new powers mid battle. thor can't beat that one either.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Deathstroke has laid the smack down on those same people if I'm not mistaken. What does DD have in the way of actual speed feats?

Why would Thor have to die as Supes did? Thor's stronger than that particular version of Supes and has many more options available to him than Supes did.

When have any of those versions proven unaffectable by BFR?

Originally posted by fangirl101
if doomsday were able to be removed from the field then how come darksied's powers didn't remove him?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Or how come that gaurdian didn't remove him?

Originally posted by fangirl101
as i said, thor can beat any version of doomsday that superman can. but superman is so much faster. and his skin is harder. so it makes if iffy to me if thor could keep up with doomsday or hit as many times. or take as much punshiment.

Originally posted by fangirl101
just my own opinion. and doomsday has blitzing feats. he's been remarked to be fast by superman and flash.

Originally posted by fangirl101
and he blitzed the jla once when brainiac took over his mind.

Originally posted by fangirl101
if doomsday were able to be removed from the field then how come darksied's powers didn't remove him? Or how come that gaurdian didn't remove him? as i said, thor can beat any version of doomsday that superman can. but superman is so much faster. and his skin is harder. so it makes if iffy to me if thor could keep up with doomsday or hit as many times. or take as much punshiment. just my own opinion. and doomsday has blitzing feats. he's been remarked to be fast by superman and flash. and he blitzed the jla once when brainiac took over his mind.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
H/P Doomsday has been boom-tubed and teleported by JLA teleportation units. Darkseid's Omega Beams tried to obliterate him, not teleport him. At least, that's how I reconcile the two.

Oh, and the Guardian accidentally BFR'ed Doosmday when they confronted each other. Pretty much the same exact way the Guardian accidentally BFR'ed Superboy Prime. So yeah, any version of Doomsday can be BFR'ed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Vortex of inescapable force, anyone? Contained Juggernaut and a 1/5th universe destroying Death Bomb after all. 😈

i'd rank that as a form of bfr, personally . . .

Juggernaut's advance was held off by the godblast. Which speaks volumes about it's power. And who's to say that Thor couldn't godblast Doomsday down his throat?

the godblast MIGHT work. like i said, i've never been able to come to a firm conclusion in my mind as to its effect on dd. down his throat seems rather a longshot to me. 😬

i do agree with goob -- thor could likely beat dos without having to die to do so, but i think dos gets a bit of the short-shrift at times. he did pretty much demolish the league, and that included walking effortlessly through guy. it wouldn't be a cake-walk for thor, even against dos who WAS evolving as the battle went along. i'd say thor would take a majority, but even dos dd was a walking plot device . . .

"Hulk beat the Dr. Strange, the X-Men, the Avengers, etc. and Supes can't so that must mean that Hulk beats Supes huh?

See that's why ABC logic doesn't work."

Actually, your arguement is the one that's flawed. The Hulk has alot of people job to him. Including Thor himself. Plus, the JLA>>>Most versions of the avengers and almost all X-teams. And Dr. Strange has been beaten once, AFAIK, during WWH. which I consider absolute horseshit. Not to mention his massive depowerment.

Hulk has KO'ed classic Strange twice off the top of my head.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oddly enough, the one pointing the finger, can easily be seen in most Superman threads voting against him, nearly regardless of opponent. And also constantly makes threads against him, just to say he loses.

He even put Age of Apoc Wolverine against Superman, and was then the only person who voted for Wolverine.

And this[among other reasons too many to count] is why I put him on ignore. My brain cells commit suicide whenever I see one of his posts.

Originally posted by carver9
Batman has owned superman more then once. Deathstroke was to quick for superman, I cant think of the guy name that was fight superman with two electrical knifes but he held his own against superman. Black canary had superman disoriented. Peak level characters has had there own against superman since the beginning. There is no proof that superman is fighting doomsday at super speed because humans was looking at the fight the entire time. There is no proof that Superman was moving at incredible speed when he was fighting doomsday because doomsday was incredibly weak.

I got something even better for you, show me superman even running circles around someone with gambit speed.