It is true that human choice has its influences, but it has no influence from the omniscience of God. God has the ability, as per the definition of omniscience, to know all outcomes of all choices at all times. But these choices are free from the influence of God, and so they are completely free choices. God has the ability to know the outcomes of perfectly free choices, if He cannot, it is a false limiting of omniscience. There are influences in choices, but there is no influence from God, thus all choices are completely free to the individual (though they may be influenced by temporal factors, the individual makes a true free choice at the moment of decision).
it has infact ULTIMATE influences from the omniscient god as he CREATED the universe to begin with and US, and bwing omniscient, he knew EXACTLY how the physical behaviour of things would turn into influeces for humand and EXACTLY how they would respond to them. if he wasnt th creater of the universe i wud ATLEAST say that it cudnt be BLAMED on him{there still wudnt be FREE will mind you} but that isnt how it is. also, outcomes which are KNOWN are by tat very definition, set in stone. the very FACT of omniscience spells doom for freedom of choice. now again, there is only ONE choice in the world, and that is the choice that will be made, and this is due to omniscience, no other CHOICES exist as one outcome is already knows. now that the argument of all influences being or not being from god is clear, lets talk about free will.
even IF god wasnt the one who CREATED the universe, and hence is exempted from RESPOSIBILITY of the choices made by humans, it still stands that IF a being, ANY being, is omniscient, there is still no FREE will. simply because the apparent choice is set in stone and humans have an illusiojn of choice. now you cant blame the omniscient BEING for this, but then again, at the same time, you cant blame the HUMANS for the things they choose, as it isnt really a choice. in either case, the existance of heaven or hell becomes ridiculous and unfair.
That is what I was responding to, and that is why I used the Bible, leonheart. When one insults the Lord, they better have something massive to make their point on. And on the fall of Adam and Eve in the garden; God allowed humans to betray Him so that free will could exist. It makes a very interesting point, God valued freedom so much, that He allowed evil and dissidence from Him.
lol, you are respoiding to things i didnt even say. anyhow, massive points upon massive points have been made about god and few have been logically refuted. read some of JIA's old tthreadss, youll get th picture,. things werent always this slow on this site. if god was omnisicent and he was also the creator of adam and eve and eden and earth, then the betrayel of adam and eve was ENGINEERED, since god has ultimate responsibility for all that happened as a result due to his omniscience. and alas, there is no free will even in this world, as god is omnisicent.
>>Haha, well I guess ignorance is bliss, for the traditional conceptions of God and Scriptures are still very valid, the mere fact that no one here has "debunked" the "crazy" geocentrism thread shows this beautifully
and back at you. scriptures have a lot of proven contradictions and fallacies and the concept of god has even more so which have not been answer, least of all, the contradictiin found inside and between his qualities of omnipotenc, omniscience, omnipresence and omnibenevolance. or arent you aware of these. many people have debunked the crazy geocentrism you propose but you are too proud, too ignorant and too percistantly arrogant to admit it. only you here beleive that it hasnt been debunked which says sumthign about you.
1. Irreducible complexity
2. Probabilities against abiogenesis
3. Lack of transitional fossils
4. A lack of ONE observed case of macroevolution
Look them up. God, or something with the qualities of Him, solves these problems beautifully, and I see no other reason than bigotry that He is shunned aside.
all taken directly from christian literature, all debunked and answered to to certain extents on this forum and elsewhere in scientific circles. i am well aware of the above stated arguments, but before you get into another large and obstinate debate on the issue, you might wanna check out one of the old threads of JIA again on evolution etc. it isnt a flattering picture trans, and its even less flattering for you since the alternative proposed by christians and other relegious beleivers on the subject has a ridiculously larger number of evidences against it and is not scientific or logical in the least. but then again, im talking to a man who beleives the earth is the centre of the universe and the universe revolves around it .