Originally posted by Gideon
I see you're keen on further demonstrating to the entire virtual world why no one here takes you seriously. It's curious that, despite your ever-changing arguments and stances [and, of course, usernames], your lackluster wit and ability to assign great amounts of time into being here continue to shine through. It's probably the reason that you're so very easily identified; it might behoove you to stick to the argument and not bother with the banter, you tend to bring up "lame" material.
"lackluster wit?" Haven't you directed that exact wording at me just about... a googililian times now? Look Gideon, we all know that you spend the vast majority of your time locked away in the privacy of your bedroom with Darth Sexy, but at least try and not let his repetitive, uncreative based habits rub off on you. As for my ever-changing arguments, you "continue" (that's right, I can put the quotation markz around general vocab that is in no way specific to the person I'm directing it to as well -- a blast, isn't it?) to say this in virtually every one of your temper tantrums, yet I haven't so much as changed a single stance this entire year, and don't even go there about time spent on here, I mean really, even with your oh so busy schedule on stardestroyer.net (and likely any other Star Wars message boards that Publius frequents, and blatantly a homosexual chat room or two) you still manage to come here numerous times every day, make jokes about Karen Traviss, Boba Fett, talk about Publius, write poetry to other members of the Forum, create pretend versus thread, send slightly creepy PMs to other members, and b1tch about your extreme [jelousy based (looks, specifically)?] hatred of Drew Karpyshyn. As I said, don't go there; with Lightsnake and Darth Sexy starting to take it easy, you're officially the biggest frequenter of this forum.
I find your very premise most offensive to those of us who are capable of reason; Nebaris, even if we are to assume that this is the entire and total account of how to summon Force Storms [because Palpatine is legendary for his honesty], perhaps you ought to read a bit more carefully? "I have learned to open the hidden resevoirs of dark side Power" -- since, clearly, Force sensitives vary in terms of raw strength and attunement to the Force and Palpatine remains the only darksider to possess the ability to summon and control Force Storms -- clearly Force strength is a requirement.
I'm just gonna break down what you're saying into your basic premises and conclusion, and encourage people to laugh at the idiocy.
Premise 1: Sidious has learnt to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.
Premise 2: Force Users vary in terms of raw strength and force attunement.
Premise 3: Palpatine remains the only darksider to possess visibly display the ability to summon and control Force Storms.
Conclusion: Force strength is a requirement in summoning Force Storms.
Non Sequitur, anyone?
As for your assertion that Palpatine may have been dishonest, why the hell would he lie about such a thing? What purpose would there have been? Provide a logical purpose, and then provide proof, or go home.
Palpatine is not Naga Sadow
You're right, Palpatine is no Naga Sadow. For one, he's a butt ugly frail old man, and secondly, the one time he ever personally met an Ancient Sith in combat, he got his ass kicked by a bunch of them in spirit form.
and you have yet to prove that the Eclipse is a focusing mechanism for dark side energies
It wouldn't be my burden of proof. As I said, for anyone who wants to gauge anything from the Force Storm, the burden of proof falls on them to substantiate their claims. You'd have to prove that the Eclipse wasn't used by Palpatine to focus his Force energies, considering the strong implications in The Star Wars Fact File #125, where it's said that it was rumoured that Palpatine used the flag ship to focus his energies to enter meditative trances and look into the minds of those around him in order to sense potential political and military uprisings.
Now, if you manage to do that, then you'll also actually have to substantiate (it's hard, I know) the extra control he displayed on top of that granted to him by the ritual in any one of his displays with the ritual.
or that he was on his flagship when he first used the Force Storm to deposit Skywalker into the Lictor-class dungeon ship.
It's your burden of proof, not mine. The only time we actually see him summon a Force Storm, he was situated on the Eclipse. Given the strong implications that such a ship helped Palpatine focus his powers, as well as the knowledge that the ritual itself grants Palpatine limited control over them, you simply cannot substantiate exactly how much control (that would be his, under regular circumstances) he actually displayed during the Ritual.
Another example of your legendary double standards.
Ooh, post an example.
Well, as we understand, you tend to be wrong.
Gideon, these little one liners that are presumably intended to impress the grown men on this forum that you frequently interact with don't hide the fact that you haven't made a single valid point this entire debate. You talk about putting things into perspective, and then go and construct quite possibly the most absurd False Conclusion ever, only to finish off with an extremely lame attempt at Ad Hominem. It's most unbecoming.
Perhaps we could take you a bit more seriously if you weren't well past the point of delusion? It's like a moron [you] lecturing a genius [me] on intelligence; you must always consider the source, Nebaris, and your sentiments lose considerable luster.
Right, and perhaps I'll (I say I, not we, because let's face it, it is only my opinion that truly counts on these forums) start taking these claims seriously as soon as you stop e-sucking my penis and going on about how badly you want me to be your lawyer.
For the record, I despise all manner of Force techniques such as the Force Storm, and prefer the days where the Force was mystical rather than outright magical and comic bookish. And yes, they happen to be the Rob Halford or Sebastian Bach of screaming uber power.
That's great, keep your opinions about magic tricks to yourself or people who care, because you're starting to bore me.
Of course I can. The only time he erred in his use of the Force Storm was when he was cut off from the Force by the applied powers of the trio of Skywalkers. As far as the power required, it's already established that the technique does require considerable "resevoirs" of power. This coming from a sorcerer who was being destroyed under the "well of dark side energies" that he became.
ROFL. Again:
Premise 1: The only time Palpatine is shown to lose control over a Force Storm is when he is cut off from the Force.
Premise 2: Summoning Force storms demand remarkable levels of power, because I say so, and I am well cool when it comes to the intranet.
Premise 3: Palpatine's power was destroying him.
Conclusion: Palpatine demonstrated a high level of control on top of the limited control that the ritual gave him.
Yeah, Raz just game me a ring, and is seriously considering taking Arnold's title away and crowning you "Forum Idiot," though he feels that "Top Forum Posters and PMer" is slightly more fitting, at least for now.
I'm afraid that doesn't cut it, Nebaris. "Knowledge" =/= "mastery". It's far too ambiguous [remember that particular word?].
Strawman Fallacy,
Nadd is stated to possess knowledge of the Force Storm technique under the RPG section that details what he's capable of using. Ergo, in the given context, his knowledge of the ability translates into the capabilities of performing the technique (that's what you'd call a true conclusion). I wasn't saying that knowledge =/= power.
I'm afraid not. Palpatine is the only master and user of the technique, which is capable of ripping the surfaces off worlds. There is no condition based on higher levels of energy; Palpatine remains capable of destroying the surface of a planet.
Again, prove that Force Storms are representative of his regular level of power, or go home (No, not your e-home aka PM Box, but the place that you and Dave rent out together).
Correct. From the narrative and story, given that he is the "imbalance in the Force" that clouded the perceptions of the Jedi and diminished their own ability to use the Force, he's a galactic level threat.
Context. Look it up. I was quite clearly stating that he wasn't a physical threat to anything near as large as a planet under his own personal level of ability.
According to the New Essential Guide to Characters he is "the greatest evil in galactic history" and according to the Complete Visual Dictionary "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power". You're done, Nebaris.
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I tire from tearing your ridiculous points to shreds.
1. "Greatest evil" could just as easily be in reference to how cruel he was, or tyranical, or any number of things. You cannot undeniably prove that it's in reference to power, ergo, you have no point. Bullshit #1 officially owned.
2. Greatest Master of evil to ever use Sith power could mean a number of things as well, from the scope or complexity of his dark side experiments, to the innovation behind his creation of completely new Sith techniques. You cannot undeniably prove that it's in reference to power, ergo, you have no point. Bullshit # 2 officially owned.
Yeah, I'm done. That was - no joke - one of the most ridiculous debates I think I've ever been in. I don't think there's a logical fallacy you didn't commit, and for two entire posts, you really sure did fail to make a single valid point.
Kadesh, I think it's about time you stepped down and let Gideon take your crown, I think this thread has quite adequately proven that he has no concept of logic whatsoever, and really, he spends virtually all his time here, he might as well have something to show for it.
Originally posted by HomoSuperiorI tire from tearing your ridiculous points to shreds.
2. Greatest Master of evil to ever use Sith power could mean a number of things as well, from the scope or complexity of his dark side experiments, to the innovation behind his creation of completely new Sith techniques. You cannot undeniably prove that it's in reference to power, ergo, you have no point. Bullshit # 2 officially owned.
Yeah, I'm done. That was - no joke - one of the most ridiculous debates I think I've ever been in. I don't think there's a logical fallacy you didn't commit, and for two entire posts, you really sure did fail to make a single valid point.
Kadesh, I think it's about time you stepped down and let Gideon take your crown, I think this thread has quite adequately proven that he has no concept of logic whatsoever, and really, he spends virtually all his time here, he might as well have something to show for it. [/B]
As the appointed "dumbest human being on this forum", your insults to others are nothing short of hilarious.
Originally posted by HomoSuperior
"lackluster wit?" Haven't you directed that exact wording at me just about... a googililian times now?
"Lackluster wit" is exactly what it is, Nebaris. Granted, you seem to have an unimaginable amount of time on your hands, holed up within your drunken mother's basement registering account after account for this forum, but I know you'd have more if you didn't bother trying to be funny. Please understand this: you aren't witty. You aren't funny -- at least not in an intentional way -- the only laughs that people get from you is when you attempt to post a valid argument. Your 'jokes' are jokes in and of themselves; they take far too long to get to the punchline (which sometimes isn't even there at all). You're the type of person whom people laugh at because they are confronted with how far historical incest and drug use can drag the human race.
Look Gideon, we all know that you spend the vast majority of your time locked away in the privacy of your bedroom with Darth Sexy,
Like this, here, for example. See, this might have been funny had you not kicked yourself in the ass by asserting (below) that I spend my time going to various Star Wars forums and "homosexual chat rooms". Which is it, Nebaris? Am I preoccupied with Darth Sexy or am I posting my life away here?
but at least try and not let his repetitive, uncreative based habits rub off on you.
And this. This might be funny if you weren't recognizing your own personal flaw and attempting to identify another with it. Your jokes are as insulting to comedy as your existence is an affront to creation itself.
As for my ever-changing arguments, you "continue" (that's right, I can put the quotation markz around general vocab that is in no way specific to the person I'm directing it to as well -- a blast, isn't it?)
Is the substitution of 's' for 'z' supposed to be funny? This, again, being another example of you taking too damn long to get to the (nonexistent) punchline.
to say this in virtually every one of your temper tantrums, yet I haven't so much as changed a single stance this entire year, and don't even go there about time spent on here, I mean really, even with your oh so busy schedule on stardestroyer.net (and likely any other Star Wars message boards that Publius frequents, and blatantly a homosexual chat room or two) you still manage to come here numerous times every day, make jokes about Karen Traviss, Boba Fett, talk about Publius, write poetry to other members of the Forum, create pretend versus thread, send slightly creepy PMs to other members, and b1tch about your extreme [jelousy based (looks, specifically)?] hatred of Drew Karpyshyn. As I said, don't go there; with Lightsnake and Darth Sexy starting to take it easy, you're officially the biggest frequenter of this forum.
Again, far too long. In fact, if I were posting on various Star Wars forums and message boards and homosexual chat rooms, how would you know? If you're going to stalk me (which you do), perhaps you could be bothered to get the details correct? Furthermore, why lecture on time? If anything, my presence here is much less significant than it used to be. You said it yourself that I rarely have a stance on things, but once again, you contradict yourself. This coming from a guy who's admitted to having "hundreds" of accounts on here.
I'm just gonna break down what you're saying into your basic premises and conclusion, and encourage people to laugh at the idiocy.
The idiocy of you trying to rebutt my arguments? They have already done that.
Premise 1: Sidious has learnt to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.
Correct.
Premise 2: Force Users vary in terms of raw strength and force attunement.
Correct.
Premise 3: Palpatine remains the only darksider tovisibly displaypossess the ability to summon and control Force Storms.
Correct.
Conclusion: Force strength is a requirement in summoning Force Storms.Non Sequitur, anyone?
It's clearly mentioned in the diatribe from Palpatine, though you tend to glaze over things like that.
As for your assertion that Palpatine may have been dishonest, why the hell would he lie about such a thing? What purpose would there have been? Provide a logical purpose, and then provide proof, or go home.
Ah, yes, you're right. Notorious Sith such as Palpatine haven't been known to use deception or disinformation.
You're right, Palpatine is no Naga Sadow. For one, he's a butt ugly frail old man, and secondly, the one time he ever personally met an Ancient Sith in combat, he got his ass kicked by a bunch of them in spirit form.
Mummified Sith as well, and you said it yourself "a bunch of them". Ironic how, on his last trip to Korriban, he barked orders at the whole collective and they bowed to his command.
It wouldn't be my burden of proof. As I said, for anyone who wants to gauge anything from the Force Storm, the burden of proof falls on them to substantiate their claims. You'd have to prove that the Eclipse wasn't used by Palpatine to focus his Force energies, considering the strong implications in The Star Wars Fact File #125, where it's said that it was rumoured that Palpatine used the flag ship to focus his energies to enter meditative trances and look into the minds of those around him in order to sense potential political and military uprisings.
"Focus his energies to enter meditative trances and look into the minds of those around him in order to sense potential political and military uprisings" = "the ability to summon Force Storms"? Such desperation, Nebaris, is becoming your prominent characteristic. Anything contrary to the straightforward interpretation always possesses the burden of proof; the comic shows Palpatine creating Force Storms without crutch or assistance. You must prove that his flagship was either or both.
Now, if you manage to do that, then you'll also actually have to substantiate (it's hard, I know) the extra control he displayed on top of that granted to him by the ritual in any one of his displays with the ritual.
He displayed the ability to summon Luke Skywalker and transmigrate him across the galaxy into a Lictor-class dungeon ship and then at another point turned the intent of the storm to destroy a collected fleet of ships with shields capable of resisting gigatons of energy.
It's your burden of proof, not mine. The only time we actually see him summon a Force Storm, he was situated on the Eclipse. Given the strong implications that such a ship helped Palpatine focus his powers, as well as the knowledge that the ritual itself grants Palpatine limited control over them, you simply cannot substantiate exactly how much control (that would be his, under regular circumstances) he actually displayed during the Ritual.
Alas, the burden of proof is not mine. Implications and suggestions don't overturn evidence, nor do they make a point, nor do they cast anything in doubt unless it's made concrete. Anything opposite to the straightforward interpretation carries the burden of proof; you can't even prove that Palpatine was aboard his flagship when he used the Force Storm to summon Skywalker to Byss.
Ooh, post an example.
Certainly. In Freedon Nadd's case, knowledge automatically translates to mastery. The New Essential Chronology is wrong when it declares Palpatine the most powerful Sith ever, but Kreia is right when she says that Nihilus's technique is the greatest of the Ancient Sith. Two such examples in the past day.
Gideon, these little one liners that are presumably intended to impress the grown men on this forum that you frequently interact with don't hide the fact that you haven't made a single valid point this entire debate. You talk about putting things into perspective, and then go and construct quite possibly the most absurd False Conclusion ever, only to finish off with an extremely lame attempt at Ad Hominem. It's most unbecoming.
Really, Nebaris, new material would be lovely. Throwing out "LOLZ YOUR WRONG!!1!" isn't going to work. Because you're not me, much as you wish you were, and it's my opinion that is ultimate and decisive. Prove me wrong, but your presumption that the declarations of how wrong I am somehow carry the intellectual equivalent to your physical weight is very much wrong.
Right, and perhaps I'll (I say I, not we, because let's face it, it is only my opinion that truly counts on these forums) start taking these claims seriously as soon as you stop e-sucking my penis and going on about how badly you want me to be your lawyer.
Lawyers aren't necessarily great logicians, Nebaris. That you presume that they are is a good reason why you probably would never make it into law school in the first place. Rehashing my statement, by the way, (the one about me being the only important person here) isn't very original. Remember that the next time you try to lecture others on being creative.
That's great, keep your opinions about magic tricks to yourself or people who care, because you're starting to bore me.
Yet you feel compelled to return for such humiliation. Glutton for your own punishment, Nebaris? What a well of deep seated psychological conditions you seem to be. How are things at home?
ROFL. Again:Premise 1: The only time Palpatine is shown to lose control over a Force Storm is when he is cut off from the Force.
Correct.
Premise 2: Summoning Force storms demand remarkable levels of power, because I say so, and I am well cool when it comes to the intranet.
This is perhaps the most intelligent thing you've said all year. There's hope for you.
Premise 3: Palpatine's power was destroying him.
That was to display the level of power he possesses. Alas, not a problem Bane seems to be having.
Conclusion: Palpatine demonstrated a high level of control on top of the limited control that the ritual gave him.
Palpatine may very well be the exception to the rule, correct.
Yeah, Raz just game me a ring, and is seriously considering taking Arnold's title away and crowning you "Forum Idiot," though he feels that "Top Forum Posters and PMer" is slightly more fitting, at least for now.
How you're aware of the frequency of my private messages is disturbing, Nebaris. Please, let your obsession with me die the same death that your social life has.
Strawman Fallacy,Nadd is stated to possess knowledge of the Force Storm technique under the RPG section that details what he's capable of using. Ergo, in the given context, his knowledge of the ability translates into the capabilities of performing the technique (that's what you'd call a true conclusion). I wasn't saying that knowledge =/= power.
Alas, no, I'm afraid this doesn't quite cut it. "Knowledge" =/= "mastery". Far too ambiguous. I would tell you to try again, but historically speaking, it's never worked for you.
Again, prove that Force Storms are representative of his regular level of power, or go home (No, not your e-home aka PM Box, but the place that you and Dave rent out together).
"No, not your e-home aka the PM box"? LOL.
a.) Again, too long and too clumsy to be efficient, quick, or clever.
b.) Again, your apparent intimate knowledge of the frequency of my private messages is most disturbing. Should I call the police?
Context. Look it up. I was quite clearly stating that he wasn't a physical threat to anything near as large as a planet under his own personal level of ability.
Palpatine was personally the imbalance in the Force that diminished the senses of the Jedi and their ability to use it. How sad that I have to point this out to you.
...I tire from tearing your ridiculous points to shreds.
You must tire from dreams, because this would be only place that the above happens. Such stamina.
1. "Greatest evil" could just as easily be in reference to how cruel he was, or tyranical, or any number of things. You cannot undeniably prove that it's in reference to power, ergo, you have no point. Bullshit #1 officially owned.
Yes, yes, Nebaris. We understand: statements regarding Palpatine that are of praising value are ambiguous and can mean multiple things because it better suits your argument. Is this the story papa tells you as you climb into bed, in between beers?
2. Greatest Master of evil to ever use Sith power could mean a number of things as well, from the scope or complexity of his dark side experiments, to the innovation behind his creation of completely new Sith techniques. You cannot undeniably prove that it's in reference to power, ergo, you have no point. Bullshit # 2 officially owned.
Originally posted by your Lord and Master]
Yes, yes, Nebaris. We understand: statements regarding Palpatine that are of praising value are ambiguous and can mean multiple things because it better suits your argument. Is this the story papa tells you as you climb into bed, in between beers?
Yeah, I'm done. That was - no joke - one of the most ridiculous debates I think I've ever been in. I don't think there's a logical fallacy you didn't commit, and for two entire posts, you really sure did fail to make a single valid point.Kadesh, I think it's about time you stepped down and let Gideon take your crown, I think this thread has quite adequately proven that he has no concept of logic whatsoever, and really, he spends virtually all his time here, he might as well have something to show for it.
The two paragraphs quoted above, ladies and gentlemen, are why certain people should not have kids. Polluting the gene pool with idiocy is the murder of intelligent people. We must make a stand! Stop the oppression! Your grandkids might turn out like this poor sap, wasting his life away all in an attempt to put some meaning into his insignificant life, creating account after account of virtually ignored, nonsensical blather.
Talk to your congressman today about a breeder's license.
Nebaris, you have been curbstomped. Yes, you'll be back. You'll respond under this account or a new one; you're predictable. However, my greatness tells me that I can dictate the terms. You will use better logic or I, unlike you, will not respond. You used to be a little entertaining despite your genetic inability to reason, but now you're losing even that.
Raise your game or get the hell off the court. 😉
Originally posted by Gideon[FACT]Dude, you've called your mother a nutcase.[FACT]
holed up within your drunken mother's basement
[FUNNY]No other-peoples'-mothers-bashing unless I - the Great and Terrible - approve of it.
Yeah, that's right. I said that you don't matter, and that Me >>>>>>> You. By extension of the contextual laws of IntraWeb grammar and the proverbial fine print. W00tSYSPHSTFU. MYOB.
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YMCA.[/FUNNY]
Ha. Hahaha.
Wait. I want to see The Dark Knight now, cuz my "haha" made me think of the late (and fantastic) Heath Ledger's Joker laugh.
Originally posted by Faunus
[b][FACT]Dude, you've called your mother a nutcase.[FACT][FUNNY]No other-peoples'-mothers-bashing unless I - the Great and Terrible - approve of it.
Yeah, that's right. I said that you don't matter, and that Me >>>>>>> You. By extension of the contextual laws of IntraWeb grammar and the proverbial fine print. W00tSYSPHSTFU. MYOB.
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YMCA.[/FUNNY]
Ha. Hahaha.
Wait. I want to see The Dark Knight now, cuz my "haha" made me think of the late (and fantastic) Heath Ledger's Joker laugh. [/B]
HE LIVES!
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Poor Noobaris, still in denial. I can't even begin to count how many times Escape has destroyed anything you have typed coming close to an argument. You're still the hilarious forum clown lying to himself. However, after 40 bans and no debate wins, it's time for you to seek out a new hobby.
The necessity for such cruelty is non existent. Let him be banned. Do not stoop to his level and insult him.
Originally posted by Gideon
"Lackluster wit" is exactly what it is, Nebaris.
Indeed, as of now, I think that may have been the 15th time you've used that exact wording. Come on Gideon, we all know you're pretty lacking in creativity, but at least borrow someone's thesaurus or something.
Granted, you seem to have an unimaginable amount of time on your hands,
Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off. Again, you spend more time here than anybody else at the moment. This is literally the longest I've spent on this forum in a long time, yet here you are, doing a pretty fine job of keeping up with me. Really, do you work part time or get home schooled or something because I'm having an awfully hard time seeing how you're fitting all of these hours in Alex.
holed up within your drunken mother's basement registering account after account for this forum,
Each account taking about 5 seconds to create, with the only real difficulty thinking up a username that's fitting for my level of awesome, and each account with a lower appd (average post per day) than just one of the many online forum accounts you possess. Seriously Gideon, I'm not getting it. Do you like go to the shower with your laptop or something? The numbers just aren't adding up.
but I know you'd have more if you didn't bother trying to be funny.
You see, this is why you should stick to the copy and paste function of your computer rather than actually coming up with your new material. You're quite simply not smart enough Gideon. I mean really, is forming a simple joke that actually makes logical sense that hard a feat for an inbred native of Kentucky to achieve?
Please understand this: you aren't witty. You aren't funny -- at least not in an intentional way -- the only laughs that people get from you is when you attempt to post a valid argument. Your 'jokes' are jokes in and of themselves;
Yeah, you see, now that's better; stick to your strengths: hammering away at the copy and paste buttons.
they take far too long to get to the punchline (which sometimes isn't even there at all).
Look Gideon, if you really can't quite keep up with a multi sentence joke, it's ok. Have a nap. Listen to some classical music. Get Darth sexy to sing for you. Have Publius read you his essays on Galactic History to you. Allow your brain the rest it needs to keep up with my genius, and perhaps in about a week, after all those naps, you might actually be able to understand what I'm saying. But in the meantime, don't overdo it. Know your limitations.
You're the type of person whom people laugh at because they are confnted with how far historical incest and drug use can drag the human race.
Really Gideon, for someone who appears to have such faith in his wit and humour, you sure do seem to be having an awfully troubling time coming up with your own material. I mean, the [insert miscellaneous information about how you're the effect that random vice has on the human race] joke? Who finds that funny? You claim to be sixteen, do people in your year group find that kind of st1t funny? Really, all this is displaying is your extreme overemphasis on trying to sound clever (and in turn, failing on the humour front) as well as your inability to actually come up with your own sh1t.
Like this, here, for example. See, this might have been funny had you not kicked yourself in the ass by asserting (below) that I spend my time going to various Star Wars forums and "homosexual chat rooms". Which is it, Nebaris? Am I preoccupied with Darth Sexy or am I posting my life away here?
From a logic standpoint: you could be doing both at the same time.
From a humour standpoint: it was an insult based on humour you dolt. It doesn't have to be consistent.
From a "by the same token" standpoint: don't you like constantly go on about how gifted my mind is (lol), and then joke about me being a moron? You're the last person to lecture somebody about consistency.
And this. This might be funny if you weren't recognizing your own personal flaw and attempting to identify another with it. Your jokes are as insulting to comedy as your existence is an affront to creation itself.
Ah, now the [your existence on creation] joke. Again, do your little buddies find this kind of sh1t funny? Or is it much harder looking up stuff on the internet in the real world (no, not Runescape, Gideon, the real world)?
Is the substitution of 's' for 'z' supposed to be funny?
I don't know, was putting quotation markz (did it again, and what?!) around the word lame supposed to be putting me into fits of giggles? Or the constant "oneone11ones!"s? Or, if you really want to talk about failed attempts at humour, what about your PMs to certain members declaring your love for them?
This, again, being another example of you taking too damn long to get to the (nonexistent) punchline.
And this being why you really shoudn't try analysing anything, whether it be logic, canon, or humour; you don't possess the brainpower for it.
Again, far too long. In fact, if I were posting on various Star Wars forums and message boards and homosexual chat rooms, how would you know?
Well, as for the SD.net/Publius stuff, you do shout your love for him from the rooftops, making multiple threads dedicated to talking about how awesome he is. As for the other stuff, little do you know that while I was masquerading as you on SD.net, I took a long look through your private messages, and I'll have you know that I noticed quite the number of references to a certain few homosexual chat rooms, Gideon.
Now, I answered your question, so you answer mine: what exactly is your obsession with chat rooms made for homos, and why were you so insistent in your private message that Publius visit one with you?
If you're going to stalk me (which you do), perhaps you could be bothered to get the details correct?
Lol, you don't know the half of it. I'm such a stalker that I just typed "Nebaris Alexian Cale" on google and this is what I came across: server.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic_raw.php?t=119010
LMAO Gideon, if you really have such a high opinion of me, why haven't you expressed any of it for all these years? I mean, you could have been telling me how gifted my mind is, or just how good a lawyer I'd make, but alas....
Furthermore, why lecture on time? If anything, my presence here is much less significant than it used to be.
....
Right.
Did you used to have your laptop constantly super glued to your penis or something, because I'm finding it mind baffling that you were able to fit in more hours than you currently are doing now.
You said it yourself that I rarely have a stance on things, but once again, you contradict yourself.
...What.Are.You.Talking.About?
This coming from a guy who's admitted to having "hundreds" of accounts on here.
Correct.
The idiocy of you trying to rebutt my arguments? They have already done that.
Indeed. That I would actually have to try really is laughably idiotic.
Correct.Correct.
Correct.
It's clearly mentioned in the diatribe from Palpatine, though you tend to glaze over things like that.
In other words, you can't address the fact that you were reaching a false Conclusion, so you're going to try some vague Lightsnake bullshit. Nice.
Ah, yes, you're right. Notorious Sith such as Palpatine haven't been known to use deception or disinformation.
In other words, you can't actually think of a reason, so you're trying to argue that an occasional Sith characteristic would naturally be present with no real evidence suggesting so. Nice.
Mummified Sith as well, and you said it yourself "a bunch of them".
Doesn't matter, these were Sith spirits, Ancient Sith of the past in near infinite weaker forms. They should have never been a threat to someone who's [idiotically] considered the most powerful Sith ever.
Ironic how, on his last trip to Korriban, he barked orders at the whole collective and they bowed to his command.
Sidious: "If you will not heal this clone, then help me find the Jedi Children - so that I may live. I command you."
Sith1: "How can one who has ruled only a few decades command those who held dominion for centuries?"
Sith2: "He long ago gave up everything...to the Dark Side of the force. I say let him have what he wants."
Hardly a real sign of fear or anything like you're trying to imply, the first spirit quite clearly had no real problem with not following Sidious' command, and the second did it out of respect.
"Focus his energies to enter meditative trances and look into the minds of those around him in order to sense potential political and military uprisings" = "the ability to summon Force Storms"? Such desperation, Nebaris, is becoming your prominent characteristic.
Strawman Fallacy. (I'm starting to see a trend.)
I claimed no such thing, I was merely substantiating the high possibility of the Emperor relying on the Eclipse to help focus his powers.
Anything contrary to the straightforward interpretation always possesses the burden of proof; the comic shows Palpatine creating Force Storms without crutch or assistance. You must prove that his flagship was either or both.
No, the original claim, or the person hoping to form a point out of a piece of evidence bears the burden of proof. Which would be you. You were the one trying to argue that Sidious' ability to control Force Storms required a certain level of control; meaning it's up to you to substantiate the control Sidious would possess under normal circumstances that was required on top of both the limited control that the technique granted him, as well as the possible enhancement to his control provided by the Eclipse, for any of the feats he performed with the ritual.
Now, prove up, or drop the point.
He displayed the ability to summon Luke Skywalker and transmigrate him across the galaxy into a Lictor-class dungeon ship and then at another point turned the intent of the storm to destroy a collected fleet of ships with shields capable of resisting gigatons of energy.
Again, substantiate. Prove that Sidious would have needed to have possessed a certain level of control on top of that granted by the Eclipse, and on top of that provided by the Ritual itself, or drop the point.
Alas, the burden of proof is not mine. Implications and suggestions don't overturn evidence, nor do they make a point, nor do they cast anything in doubt unless it's made concrete. Anything opposite to the straightforward interpretation carries the burden of proof;
Absolute nonsense. When the burden of proof falls on you it's up to you to completely and undeniably prove up. You're the one trying to make a point about the level of control that Sidious displayed during these feats that he would usually possess; it's up to you to provide concrete proof, and the strong possibility of the Eclipse helping him focus his power immediately undermines your position. Now, substantiate, or drop the point.
you can't even prove that Palpatine was aboard his flagship when he used the Force Storm to summon Skywalker to Byss.
You can't prove anything about the circumstances behind that display in question, and the burden of proof is fully on you. Fact of the matter is, we can only say for sure that Sidious could perform Force Storms while on the Eclipse, and given that the burden of proof lies on you, you would have to prove that his other display with the Force Storm was performed while he was away from a location that would have been enhancing his control to actually have a point.
Certainly. In Freedon Nadd's case, knowledge automatically translates to mastery.
Strawman.
The New Essential Chronology is wrong when it declares Palpatine the most powerful Sith ever, but Kreia is right when she says that Nihilus's technique is the greatest of the Ancient Sith. Two such examples in the past day.
When did I ever say that she was undeniably correct? Quote me for truth, or stop talking.
Really, Nebaris, new material would be lovely.
Funny, because I don't recall ever making a reference to your extremely lame one-liners, or as absurd a False Conclusion (there hasn't ever been one), so yeah, what are you actually smoking?
Throwing out "LOLZ YOUR WRONG!!1!" isn't going to work. Because you're not me, much as you wish you were, and it's my opinion that is ultimate and decisive. Prove me wrong, but your presumption that the declarations of how wrong I am somehow carry the intellectual equivalent to your physical weight is very much wrong.
Lol. Overly long joke, much? At least mine flowed together nicely, and made sense. I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
Lawyers aren't necessarily great logicians, Nebaris. That you presume that they are is a good reason why you probably would never make it into law school in the first place. Rehashing my statement, by the way, (the one about me being the only important person here) isn't very original. Remember that the next time you try to lecture others on being creative.
Gideon, we all know that you don't really know anything about what you're talking about, but at least don't so easily expose yourself by talking about stuff outside of the fan fiction you read on the internet.
A lawyer's profession evolves around how well they can apply logic. That's what their vocation's made up of, arguing in the courtroom, and trying to make a valid point...Though, does this mean that you didn't really know what you were saying when you claimed that I would make a better lawyer than Darth Sexy? Because that would just break my heart.
Yet you feel compelled to return for such humiliation. Glutton for your own punishment, Nebaris? What a well of deep seated psychological conditions you seem to be. How are things at home?
Essentially, a totally out of synch response, that has been used against SW Legend twice. Yeah, now I know that you've got all of your "funny" material saved on a word document, ready to use with the click of the mouse.
Correct.This is perhaps the most intelligent thing you've said all year. There's hope for you.
That was to display the level of power he possesses. Alas, not a problem Bane seems to be having.
Palpatine may very well be the exception to the rule, correct.
In other words, you're trying to appear as if you're casually just responding to something without people noticing that you committed yet another extremely absurd False Comparison. Nice.
How you're aware of the frequency of my private messages is disturbing, Nebaris. Please, let your obsession with me die the same death that your social life has.
Again, if you can't even create a password complex or personal enough that it isn't easily guessed in about five seconds, than you don't deserve the privacy of a private message box... now stop sending Publius dirty messages, the language in the last one was just ridiculous.
Alas, no, I'm afraid this doesn't quite cut it. "Knowledge" =/= "mastery". Far too ambiguous. I would tell you to try again, but historically speaking, it's never worked for you.
Strawman. Repeating already defeated points on the constant doesn't alter the validity of them.
"No, not your e-home aka the PM box"? LOL.a.) Again, too long and too clumsy to be efficient, quick, or clever.
Again, your responses are making little sense; this would have worked much better against something that had more than just eight words, and overly accute language.
b.) Again, your apparent intimate knowledge of the frequency of my private messages is most disturbing. Should I call the police?
You call them, and I'll be listening in on the phone call, Jessy.
Palpatine was personally the imbalance in the Force that diminished the senses of the Jedi and their ability to use it. How sad that I have to point this out to you.
And this makes him a planetary physical threat... how?
How sad that you possess such faith in such poor point making ability.
You must tire from dreams, because this would be only place that the above happens. Such stamina.
Again, I'm not seeing a lot of sense making.
Yes, yes, Nebaris. We understand: statements regarding Palpatine that are of praising value are ambiguous and can mean multiple things because it better suits your argument.
Stop whining. Your quoted statements got royally b1tchslapped, concede or stop talking.
Is this the story papa tells you as you climb into bed, in between beers?
Hilarious. Not at all forced or unnatural, quite simply a masterclass display of humour and wit.
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Put down the beer, and sober up.
The two paragraphs quoted above, ladies and gentlemen, are why certain people should not have kids. Polluting the gene pool with idiocy is the murder of intelligent people. We must make a stand! Stop the oppression! Your grandkids might turn out like this poor sap, wasting his life away all in an attempt to put some meaning into his insignificant life, creating account after account of virtually ignored, nonsensical blather.Talk to your congressman today about a breeder's license.
Come on Gideon, keep it relevant to the situation, and relevant to the person, because I can only assume that you've been spending crazy hours on google and even more time highlighting words on your computer screen with responses as out of whack as these.
Nebaris, you have been curbstomped.
Right, let's review:
I'm the one who uses logic flawlessly, and actually proved up on the point I was making, whereas you committed multiple burden of proof fallacies, Strawmans, Irrelevant Misdirections, False Conclusions, False Comparison, and quite clearly knew that you were losing halfway through the debate and thus tried to turn it into a boxing match, where your material was just screaming copied, forced, and out of synch, even after no longer trying to use logic you were still failing on that front (apparently mixing humour and logic isn't quite your thing), with such one liners as "We understand: statements regarding Palpatine that are of praising value are ambiguous and can mean multiple things because it better suits your argument. Is this the story papa tells you as you climb into bed, in between beers?" (seriously, one of the weirdest things ever said to me). In short, you lost on all counts to someone well over a year your junior (in age only, don't get it twisted), and came out with some of the weirdest sh1t I've ever heard.
Yes, you'll be back. You'll respond under this account or a new one; you're predictable. However, my greatness tells me that I can dictate the terms. You will use better logic or I, unlike you, will not respond. You used to be a little entertaining despite your genetic inability to reason, but now you're losing even that.Raise your game or get the hell off the court. 😉
Reserve the winking for the guys at SD.net Jess, I'm not quite into you in that way.
Darth Sexy, gideon. It is you who have failed.
Why did you spake?
Because you always insit on debating with this one. Let him be ignored. When you debate with him he will always come out thinking he is winning, and you will have wasted hours of your lives in an attempt to make him reconsider his fanboy ways.
NEVER TRY TO TEACH A PIG TO SING! IT WASTES YOUR TIME AND ANNOYS THE PIG!!!
I am normally a proponent of ignoring Nebaris as well, but it I must allow myself the occasional humor by challenging his arguments and watching him scramble, pulling out all the stops. You saw it as well, did you not? The constant shifting of the burden of proof, the blatant double standards, and (of course) the unoriginal, uncreative humor? That is what is the most saddening of all of this; I make a statement about how his humor lacks any facet of originality to it, and do you see his responses? All essentially copied and pasted from my own diatribe. He seeks to pin the flaws I point out in him on me. Why? I can only assume that Nebaris is a truly insecure person. And then there were the jokes about how apparently I live at KMC, yet my presence in the past year has been extremely minimal. Faunus, who is by no means obsessed with this forum, has been more active on this forum in the past several weeks. But even this criticism (even if it were true) loses any real objective value when you consider the source; Nebaris has made account after account after account [the number is truly within the dozens] and seems keen on spending a great amount of time at a place that apparently does not feel inclined to accept him. Why? I don't know. And he gets so defensive about my criticism of his jokes and of how he truly seems obsessed with this place; they aren't intended to be hurtful or cruel but to point out a God given fact to someone who desperately needs to move on with what remains of his miserable, insignificant life. If he applied his intelligence to actually existing socially, Nebaris would probably go places. But he just seems so eager to prove that he's risen above us and all he succeeds in doing is crawling further under our collective boot.
But the most disturbing of all of this is his blatant admissions. He's followed me to numerous websites, Googles me, and has attempted to hack into my accounts numerous times. Ironically, this isn't the first time someone has done this to me, but never before has someone such as Nebaris been so blatantly happy about his psychotic musings and stalkings.
Such a shame. I think I might need to speak to someone.
Originally posted by GideonHow do you know he googles you and tries to hack your account?But the most disturbing of all of this is his blatant admissions. He's followed me to numerous websites, Googles me, and has attempted to hack into my accounts numerous times. Ironically, this isn't the first time someone has done this to me, but never before has someone such as Nebaris been so blatantly happy about his psychotic musings and stalkings.
Such a shame. I think I might need to speak to someone.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
How do you know he googles you and tries to hack your account?
He's admitted both. He guessed my password for Stardestroyer.net, got on it, and sent supremely disturbing and disgusting private messages to various members (either to get me banned or because he could no longer contain his innermost feelings [or both]). Fortunately, most of the people there recognized that the action was extremely out of character and I remain a member. And he admitted in the above to googling my usernames and his own to see the results. Rather frightening, don't you think?
Sion:
No proof he is invincible on places not strong in the darkside. He says, "As long as the dark places of this world[Malacor] flow through the cracks of my flesh, I cannot be killed." Also, after the Kreia tells Exile to flee from Sion, Kreia says, "There will be another time. But it is not now, not here, while Korriban runs through him." On a neutral playing field Sion is nothing special. Kriea was still recovering from being cut off from the force when Sion cut off her hand.
Nihilus:
When Exile asks how Nihilus hasn't conquered the galaxy with his drain, Kreia replies, "Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled." Kreia also says "It[The drain] is not something he can direct or focus, much like hunger itself." The drain is not something Nihilus can just do any time he wants to.