Originally posted by Sidi-Boy
If you've proven anything in your posts, it's merely simply about how much of a blatant idiot you are. Very nice.
"Merely Simply?" Lol, YAYz for redundant redundancy?
And you know what?
No, what?
According to George Lucas, Luke had the same; yes, same force potential as Anakin Skywalker, the being who was known to have potential to be the strongest person in Star Wars history.
For future reference, as, and by your own admission, you don't actually have first hand knowledge of most of these quotes, when you don't, please share with us where exactly you're getting your information from, because this, like most of what you reference, is made up nonsense.
What was actually said was that Luke could become what Anakin could not, after a lengthy passage about Anakin no longer possessing the potential to one day surpass the Emperor. A few members here, for some strange and possibly homosexual reason, chose to interpret the statement as meaning that Luke possessed the exact same Force potential as Anakin, when it's much more likely that all that the statement was alluding to, was that, like Anakin, he possessed the potential to oneday surpass the Emperor.
A few members had this discussion with Advent about it a while back, you can see it for yourself here (killermovies.kom/forums/showthread.php?threadid=436003&pagenumber=3), and as was quite clearly established, the statement in no way undeniably points to them possessing the same potential, meaning, as usual, you have no point (remove the "K" from "KOM" and it basically starts right at the bottom).
Yes, even above Bane! *gasp*. According to Lucas in the ESB Director's Commentary, Luke's force potential is actually twice as much as Sidious', and also happened state in the making of RotS that Anakin could have went on to become twice as powerful as Sidious. See the similarities? Like it or not, Luke's raw power FAR exceeds Bane's.[quote]Again, made up nonsense (the bit about Luke possessing double Sidious' potential). It's likely that someone somewhere (whoever you got that piece of information from) was either lying, or knew of the quote but was mixing Luke up with Anakin. Either way, the quote you provided doesn't exist.
[quote]How about my evidence above, made by GL, who is TEH source, superior to anything else?
Wait, hold up, I've always known that GL is the source when it comes to Star Wars... but TEH source? For real? Seriously? Damn, I had no idea. Either way, it doesn't matter, because GL didn't say any of the things you mentioned that applies to Luke.
Also, how about the fact that Leia, a being who had almost no training with her friggin' FETUS could channel the entire light side of the force to cut off Sidious from the force? Yeah, if there was ever something that screams out "raw power!!!" more than this, I'll probably eat my hat. If I had a hat.
That had nothing to do with her potential whatsoever. It was a completely anomalous occurrence, much like when Ganner was able to do the same in Traitor. Is he TEH shit when it comes to Force potential as well now?
How could I forget that you think that Sion is the most powerful being in Star Wars.
Poisoning the well, much? Please, just accept that your reasoning was as fallacious as it gets and then we'll go back to being best buds.
Err... Sidious replicated the same feat with his force storms,
Err... no. Sidious was only ever able to use a Force Storm to swallow a fleet, he never even came close to using it on a planetary scale, and aside from that, they're not valid representations of his power.
"When the Force is sensed and moved by emotion, from the very centre of the body, and meditated from the lower vital centers of the being, it acts with the destructive power of a storm, and the savagery of a beast.
I have learned to meditate Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power.
Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released-the energies of the dark side of the Force." – The Essential Guide to the Force, Pg 179.
As is quite clearly explained, all that Palpatine does is move the Force in a controlled way down his body, concentrating his anger through his willpower, to unleash "the hidden reservoirs of dark side Power." It's made explicitly clear that the attack by its nature is completely ritualistic, relying on an organised procedure, that grants Palpatine access to power that he wouldn't usually have access to under normal circumstances.
Then there's also the fact Sidious hasn't ever displayed a level of control over them that would indicate that he'd be capable of using it against an opponent in close combat without swallowing himself up in it with them, so essentially, they're useless to bring up.
and this is WITHOUT the aid of 25 other Sith Lords;
Bane did everything I described WITHOUT the aid of 25 other Sith Lords as well. He absorbed the power, contained it, and redirected it all under his own level of ability.
and Luke is stated to be more powerful than Sidious.
He's not, though it's quite clearly the case regardless.
The same Luke whose attunement to the force was to the extent that he could construct a lightsaber- something that only Padawans who had their training almost entirely complete, training that generally spanned several years- with basically no training whatsoever? Yeah.
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Constructing a lightsaber? That's what you're using to support your argument with? Firstly, Luke had received training, via Obi-Wan's diary, and secondly, it's something that has nothing to do with Force ability. It's a mechanical process, nothing more.
Really, I find it mind baffling that you think that this somehow puts his raw power above that of someone like Bane.
Someone who was described as being far more powerful than the entire BoD (an Order of hundreds, at the very least) in the inside flap summary of PoD, someone who was able to fill up a room capable of housing hundreds of students with lightning after having learnt the technique just an hour earlier, and someone who became one of the most powerful beings we've ever seen with less than three years of training, to the point where he was capable of using the Force on a planetary scale. What did Luke ever do with such little training that compares to any of that/i]?
I basically "ROFL" at this. Bane would get trashed in the force by Luke, both due to Luke's raw power, his EXTREME saber skills. How about him being able to use lightning to a potency that he was able to WTFpwn friggin' Yuuzhan Vong slayers? Deflect blasts from AT-ATs using the force exclusively? Yeah, as much as you like, Bane is trumped in mastery of the force by a large amount of people.
Try to stay on topic, please. We're talking Force mastery here, what has Luke (or anyone, for that matter) ever displayed that would put them on par with someone who can both use the Force on a planetary scale, or alternatively on the subatomic level? Who else has ever displayed such range, such extreme ability on both ends?
The only thing he 'retconned' were the fact that Anakin did not see the actual fight;
How you appear visually depends and varies upon who sees you. Them appearing as a blur is 100% specific to how Anakin sees them. He didn't see them, as the movie shows us, ergo the entire segment is retconned.
he implied absolutely no where that they were fighting [i]slower.
It doesn't matter, the only indication that they were moving at such a speed exists only in N-Canon material. You could only argue that it fits GL's ultimate vision regardless of him retconning the scene if he at least made an attempt to include it in the final product. He didn't, ergo it's inadmissible as evidence.
According to Ian McDiarmid- who has no motive to lie- Sidious was supposed to be one of the fastest duelists around.
He pretty much was, however that doesn't automatically mean that he can move at speeds that he registers purely as a blur to trained Force Users. Nothings suggests that he's that fast.
Sure, his 500 times the speed was an exaggerration, but still, the fact remains that BOTH Sidious and Mace fought with extreme speeds. Think of the novel as "What Anakin would've saw had he seen the duel".
No, I'll think of it exactly as it is: N-Canon material that only guys that are attracted to old men would use as evidence.