Originally posted by fangirl101Its a generalized statement that doesnt retcon anything. See Apokolips now for my proof.
yes. i've just said that i haven't read that story. why are you reminding me of something that i just said. retcon? in the book, it says no one has escaped the omega effect. that would mean that no one has. take it as you will. it's on paper. without refute.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes Darkseid has uber telepathy, but like all his other powers he rarely uses it. Sleez has mind-controlled Superman and Big Barda and he was said to have weaker telepathy then Darkseid.FYI, he has used his Omega Beams to give and remove powers before. He even took away Secret's powers, and she was Spectre's apprentice.
Darkseid has telepathy noob 😉
He has shown to manipulate time before, but of course it's a power he rarely uses.
Just a note to those arguing for DS manipulating time to defeat her by aging her or something.
http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=habib2lh1.jpg
Not gonna work.
She can match nearly all of his powers, besides telepathy of course. But she's above herald level for a reason.
I see no reason to believe DS would just power-rape her. Or time manip. Or out-power her. She can create entire dimensions and ingest universal supernovas. If it weren't for telepathy, I'd give her the win.
*scractches his head* You brought up the time time manipulation as a means of attack, and I just commented Darkseid has done so in the past. Now can you show me a scan of her doing that when time was accelerated?
Meh! Seems Jenny will be fighting at the best of her ability utilizing everything, but Darkseid can't? I'm not saying who wins [because I know jack all about Jenny], but your kinda being a tad biased
Originally posted by -K-M-I've never seen it.
He's used it before, and drained information and knowledge from people even killing them doing itThus -K-M- >>>> All
*hint*
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Also, it's not really relevant anyway to this battle... it's not like he'll use it... and GDS is still irrelevant to main Darkseid's tp.
Trick.
Originally posted by -K-M-
*scractches his head* You brought up the time time manipulation as a means of attack, and I just commented Darkseid has done so in the past. Now can you show me a scan of her doing that when time was accelerated?Meh! Seems Jenny will be fighting at the best of her ability utilizing everything, but Darkseid can't? I'm not saying who wins [because I know jack all about Jenny], but your kinda being a tad biased
I've said he wins via tp. If he has it, and I'm willing to take you at your word that he still does, then this is a quick win for him.
Other than that, my purpose has just been to elucidate her powers so that she isn't falsely characterized. Debating for someone and debating for them to win the thread are 2 different things...I'm only doing the former. The scan I showed seems to prove that time manip. would be difficult, at best. Accelerating time around them wouldn't do anything because he would need to literally advance an entire century in the universe for her to perish. Accelerating = slowing down actions, not time travel. And if it is full-fledged travel through time, I just showed her blocking it.
And nothing he has done in raw power is greater than what she has shown herself capable of dealing with. I don't know if she would win in a brawl format, but I see no reason why she wouldn't make it a helluva fight and probably win some.
Originally posted by leonidas
funny such a powerful character as jenny would have such a debilitating weakness. that would make her fodder for a LOT of characters below the trans level. 😬
Yeah, a bit ironic. And unfortunate for Authority fans, but what can you do.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
The scan I showed seems to prove that time manip. would be difficult, at best. Accelerating time around them wouldn't do anything because he would need to literally advance an entire century in the universe for her to perish. Accelerating = slowing down actions, not time travel. And if it is full-fledged travel through time, I just showed her blocking it.
He could literally accelerate her soul not just her body, which she mentioned would work with the Doctor.
If it was time-travel you showed her basically becoming young like it was the start of the century, so it's not really the same say the end of the century as that's apparently when she will die.
Originally posted by -K-M-
He could literally accelerate her soul not just her body, which she mentioned would work with the Doctor.If it was time-travel you showed her basically becoming young like it was the start of the century, so it's not really the same say the end of the century as that's apparently when she will die.
Wait, huh? That was The Doctor that she matter manip'd into a child. Not Jenny.
And the literal age of her soul doesn't matter. She dies when the century ends, which is determined not by actual time but by popular consensus. Thus, Sparks dying at the turn of 2000 instead of 2001, the actual start of the new century. She's the spirit of the age moreso than tied to time itself, which is evidenced by previous Jenny's living for more than a century (they would live for an "Age" that corresponded to periods in history).
So the age of her soul doesn't matter. DS could make her 4000 years old and she wouldn't die. DS would need to accelerate the universe so that a century actually passes. Time travel. Which she can block.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wait, huh? That was The Doctor that she matter manip'd into a child. Not Jenny.And the literal age of her soul doesn't matter. She dies when the century ends, which is determined not by actual time but by popular consensus. Thus, Sparks dying at the turn of 2000 instead of 2001, the actual start of the new century. She's the spirit of the age moreso than tied to time itself, which is evidenced by previous Jenny's living for more than a century (they would live for an "Age" that corresponded to periods in history).
So the age of her soul doesn't matter. DS could make her 4000 years old and she wouldn't die. DS would need to accelerate the universe so that a century actually passes. Time travel. Which she can block.
I know, but she said she was fine as he didn't manipulate her soul just her body
Really? Because she said the body is merely but a shell, the soul is where it counts and that's why she was fine as the Doctor manipulated the body not the soul. Have any proof aging her soul wouldn't do anything? Not trying to be a dick, I really don't know jack about her.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Also, what's the more Darkseid approach:Hitting her with the OE, OB?
Or aging her ass, and Tp'ing her?
He can age her with the OE actually, he has shown to bend time and time-travel with it.
*shrugs* It's Darkseid, he has all these powers, but when it comes to a person with an S on their chest, he tries to go blow for blow.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I know, but she said she was fine as he didn't manipulate her soul just her bodyReally? Because she said the body is merely but a shell, the soul is where it counts and that's why she was fine as the Doctor manipulated the body not the soul. Have any proof aging her soul wouldn't do anything? Not being a dick, I really don't know jack about her.
Not a problem.
But you're confusing the two. The Doctor was the one that got turned into a baby by Jenny, then he was the one that said the line about the body just being the shell. It was in reference to her apology for doing it (she was being mind controlled at the time) and he was making the point that the matter manip on his body was fine because it was his spirit/mind/whatever that controlled his powers. So then he changed himself back.
The only part that pertains to our discussion is at the top where she says "I'm also blocking either of us from traveling in time," implying that Doctor couldn't even time travel himself if he wanted to....she was blocking both of them. So that's yet another obstacle a time manip. attack from DS would face.
Beyond that, like I said the age of her soul doesn't matter. DS could accelerate it all he wants. It's tied to the century as determined by public consensus, so he'd need to accelerate the whole universe a century in order to kill her via aging. Whether her soul is 4 or 4,000 is irrelevant.
He wins. Telepathy. But the time attack isn't going to work. It just isn't. Nothing short of time travel past the century would work, and she can block that.
Originally posted by -K-M-
My mistake, I thought the baby was Jenny and fair enough thanks for the clarification.I really don't read any Authority
It's ok. I don't read any Alpha Flight.
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...I'd expect to be wrong if I started hashing out something about a power set from one of your characters, so we'll just call it even.
