Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
What? Are you trying to insult me because I agree with comics? That is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

What other factors? H1's math that has no relevance to anything involving comics? It's comics... and if you can't see past that, then I feel sorry for you. You don't read comics, you read feats.

Well... that was a bias answer.

Consistency and comics prove that 'peak human' is only a statement. Plus, if that's your only proof, then you really are a raging fanboy, that also seems to be hindering a lot of shit that Spider-Man has done... 😕

Peak human is what he is. And it not comics that you agree with. It's writers who have a poor understanding of the character's power set that they are writing about.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wrong. It is outside of normal human capability. And it's not just a title, it the their true power sets. That fact can't be ignored. But I guest I'm lying about that too, right 😬

No I'm not wrong.. Prove that it's within human capabilities to do the things that Cap does. If you can't, then what he does is outside human capability, so to disregard him based on a title (which you think defines his capabilities) would be meaningless because his title doesn't dictate what he can or can't do based on your interpretation.

Prove that being a superhuman on Spiderman's level automatically makes you more capible and dangerous and automatically flat out better than being Cap. Because according to SHIELD it doesn't.

Spiderman has power sets based off of what he's done.
Cap has abilities based off of what he's done.

All you're doing here is discarding what one characters done for the sake of a title that doesn't mean anything in the first place.

I've missed ANYWHERE where it's EVER been stated by ANY marvel material that having the title of Superhuman makes one> Peak Human in a fight.

In fact, outside of strength charts I don't think I'ver ever seen it anywhere that Cap was simply stated to be a peak human.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Peak human is what he is. And it not comics that you agree with. It's writers who have a poor understanding of the character's power set that they are writing about.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Peak human is what he is. And it not comics that you agree with. It's writers who have a poor understanding of the character's power set that they are writing about.

So... comics?

And they have a poor understanding of reading bios, I'll admit. But they have no problem following consistency, and comics.
Cap has made Spider-Man look bad... like 3 times at minimum now? All bad writers?

Originally posted by jinzin
No I'm not wrong.. Prove that it's within human capabilities to do the things that Cap does. If you can't, then what he does is outside human capability, so to disregard him based on a title (which you think defines his capabilities) would be meaningless because his title doesn't dictate what he can or can't do based on your interpretation.

Prove that being a superhuman on Spiderman's level automatically makes you more capible and dangerous and automatically flat out better than being Cap. Because according to SHIELD it doesn't.

Spiderman has power sets based off of what he's done.
Cap has abilities based off of what he's done.

All you're doing here is discarding what one characters done for the sake of a title that doesn't mean anything in the first place.

I've missed ANYWHERE where it's EVER been stated by ANY marvel material that having the title of Superhuman makes one> Peak Human in a fight.

In fact, outside of strength charts I don't think I'ver ever seen it anywhere that Cap was simply stated to be a peak human.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That's... not an argument.

So... comics?

And they have a poor understanding of reading bios, I'll admit. But they have no problem following consistency, and comics.
Cap has made Spider-Man look bad... like 3 times at minimum now? All bad writers?

They have no problem following consistency of Spidey's pis and Cap's jobber aura. And it's an arguement, you just don't have a real answer for it.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
No really. They had power sets before their first comic came out. The creators already design the character to be a certain way. Other writers interpreted their power sets in their own understanding of the character. And Cap isn't a normal human by any means of the word "normal". And he is far from superhuman. Spider-Man's SS has already been explained how it works and some writers have a poor understanding of it. If Spidey was up against the Flash than it would make more sense for him to still get hit in-spite of his SS. But not someone he is faster and more agile than.

I see, so the IDEA of the character before the character had feats is more important than the character has they've developed over the years?

In that case, Spiderman's a class 2 lifter who only has a vague ringing noise in his head when dangers approaching and is going to have problems with Cameleon. 😐

Where as Cap's a "peak human" who's going to win WWII practically by himself... Yeah.. that's not... good... for the spidey side to argue that way either.

As for the rest of your nonsense.

Cap does things that even the world's best athletes couldn't dream of doing... he's well within Superhuman categories.
Spiderman's not faster than Cap and his agility works against him in h2h fights.

Do spidey backers really have any idea what they are talking about?

Originally posted by Marvelknight
They have no problem following consistency of Spidey's pis and Cap's jobber aura. And it's an arguement, you just don't have a real answer for it.

No, it's not an argument. You're using bios to help prove a point. Comics come first. You have no answer to the comics other than "I don't like it", so you think you can fool people into believing that your bio arguments can rule out comics.

Plus, using that logic anyway, Spider-Man can't beat Venom. He can't effect Thor (like someone brought up... I think it was you). He stands no chance against Namor, etc. His feats suddenly decline just because you think that your argument is good. However, it hurts your character a lot. He's only a superhuman, but Venom, Thor, and Namor are something higher than that.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Do spidey backers really have any idea what they are talking about?

Really? 😐

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Do spidey backers really have any idea what they are talking about?

Since Peak human has never been given a definate limit saying super>is meaningless unless feats distinctly seperate the two.In this case except for strength Spidey doesn't have any speed feats that Cap can't duplicate.And while he's more agile without his webbing and skill to use it wisely it's not important.Someone like Nightwing however has the skill to make his agility work against someone like Cap.The reason why Supes takes the majority over WW isn't because he's faster or stronger but because he's magnitudes more durable.And while she is a better fighter bar far Supes isn't bad.Hell give Spidey Supes fighting skills and he'd win the 6-7/10.His complete lack of any real skill not based on his powers screws him in this figth.Cap 6-7/10

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yep I sure do...
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The problem with Marvelknight is he loves comparing Cap's Peak-Human as the same thing with Batman's Peak-Human.

And they are as different as apples are too oranges. One is the next step in human evolution the other not so much. One is a man unlike the world has never seen before the other not so much. One is classed as almost Superhuman"which is what Slade was stated to be", again the other not so much.

One was stated to have the strength of ten the other not so much. One was stated as well to have the strength and agility of half of a platoon. Again the other not so much.

According to Marvelknight if Captain America can have the advantage against Spiderman. Then in his mind Batman can do the same in hand to hand against Spiderman.

Don't get me wrong Batman is a elite in martial artist and can do good against Spiderman like the other elite martial artits have done like stalemate with Parker but with Spiderman having the advantage. I just don't see Batman doing what Cap has done to Spiderman.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The problem with Marvelknight is he loves comparing Cap's Peak-Human as the same thing with Batman's Peak-Human.

You wanna know what the problem is? The problem is that Cap's jobber aura travels with him even on a comic book vs forum (very sad). There isn't really that big of a difference between the two of them at all.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
[B]And they are as different as apples are too oranges. One is the next step in human evolution the other not so much. One is a man unlike the world has never seen before the other not so much. One is classed as almost Superhuman"which is what Slade was stated to be", again the other not so much.
/B]

Lol.... this is where your

Originally posted by jinzin
No I'm not wrong.. Prove that it's within human capabilities to do the things that Cap does. If you can't, then what he does is outside human capability, so to disregard him based on a title (which you think defines his capabilities) would be meaningless because his title doesn't dictate what he can or can't do based on your interpretation.

Prove that being a superhuman on Spiderman's level automatically makes you more capible and dangerous and automatically flat out better than being Cap. Because according to SHIELD it doesn't.

Spiderman has power sets based off of what he's done.
Cap has abilities based off of what he's done.

All you're doing here is discarding what one characters done for the sake of a title that doesn't mean anything in the first place.

I've missed ANYWHERE where it's EVER been stated by ANY marvel material that having the title of Superhuman makes one> Peak Human in a fight.

In fact, outside of strength charts I don't think I'ver ever seen it anywhere that Cap was simply stated to be a peak human.

Doesn't matter is peak humans can lift over 100tons and can move at light speeds or perform other feats that humans can never do. Super human>>>>>Peak human by definition.

spidey for the win

Originally posted by superbatman86
Since Peak human has never been given a definate limit saying super>is meaningless unless feats distinctly seperate the two.In this case except for strength Spidey doesn't have any speed feats that Cap can't duplicate.And while he's more agile without his webbing and skill to use it wisely it's not important.Someone like Nightwing however has the skill to make his agility work against someone like Cap.The reason why Supes takes the majority over WW isn't because he's faster or stronger but because he's magnitudes more durable.And while she is a better fighter bar far Supes isn't bad.Hell give Spidey Supes fighting skills and he'd win the 6-7/10.His complete lack of any real skill not based on his powers screws him in this figth.Cap 6-7/10

Peak human is the limit of comic human abilities (note: I'm not talking about the real life human limit) and Super human is beyond the limit of human abilities. Thus by definition Super>>>Peak.

For comic human strength limit is probably 1-5tons (more like 700lbs in real life though) and Super human strength is greater than this. The same goes with speed and other abilities.

If Spidey was fighting without his SS then he still wins this.
But giving SM his SS then CA has no chance even to hit Spidey.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
The problem with Marvelknight is he loves comparing Cap's Peak-Human as the same thing with Batman's Peak-Human.

You wanna know what the problem is? The problem is that Cap's jobber aura travels with him even on a comic book vs forum (very sad). There isn't really that big of a difference between the two of them at all.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And they are as different as apples are too oranges. One is the next step in human evolution the other not so much. One is a man unlike the world has never seen before the other not so much. One is classed as almost Superhuman"which is what Slade was stated to be", again the other not so much.
/B]

Lol.... This is where your on panel proof gos against you. For one, "the next step in human evolution". Is just a title when facing the Batman. Because what Cap has done to somebody who is truly superior to him. He can't even do the same to Batman and he hasn't on panel. "the next step in human evolution", yeah, OK.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
[B]One was stated to have the strength of ten the other not so much. One was stated as well to have the strength and agility of half of a platoon. Again the other not so much.

And yet Batman has feats to show that he isn't far behind at all. And Cap has never overpowered Batman on panel. Oh you're doing such good job owning me, keep it up 😬

Originally posted by Daredevil1
According to Marvelknight if Captain America can have the advantage against Spiderman. Then in his mind Batman can do the same in hand to hand against Spiderman.

Wrong, it's according to "comics". Batman has put down foes far superior to Spidey more than once. Batman is one of the most well trained, calculating, efficient men alive. If Cap can put down Spidey, so can Batman.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Don't get me wrong Batman is a elite in martial artist and can do good against Spiderman like the other elite martial artits have done like stalemate with Parker but with Spiderman having the advantage. I just don't see Batman doing what Cap has done to Spiderman.

That is my point exactly. It's your inability to see pass the hold Cap has on you. And it is so sad that with all of the talk about Spidey having problems with A-list MAs, now all of a sudden Batman isn't on that list and he can't beat Spidey as well. Because it's not like Bats hasn't done the same things that Cap has done, right 😬 That is the most bias, and double standard piece of trash I've ever heard 😠

Note. Just disregard the post before this one. This is the true version.