Spider-Man vs. Captain America h2h only

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes there is because the all encompassing statement saves time and points out the difference in Cap's level of skill and that of the average Dogo martial artist's(which routinely give Spidey trouble) or the 3rd degree blackbelts of a single style you might see on TV at home. Cap's level of skill is absolutely unheard of in the "real world" and the fact that he's he knows every form on the planet is an ample demonstration of that(because no one in our world knows them all). It's THAT level of skill combined with Cap's "peak human" physicality and armor that allow him to go toe to toe with guys like Spidey, so it is a pertinent piece of info.

No, Cap is able to go toe to toe with Spiderman because he is Captain America, just like Batman beats metahumans because he is Batman. Don't try to use logic, it wont help.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't see how you guys constantly mentioning Cap's martial arts skills means he can win against a guy who is faster, stronger, at least as skilled, and precognitive, with a long - range immobilizing attack.

Sure, in a comic it could happen due to jobber auras and PIS, but in a vs. match I doubt it.

Spider-man would take a large majority.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, Cap is able to go toe to toe with Spiderman because he is Captain America, just like Batman beats metahumans because he is Batman. Don't try to use logic, it wont help.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The speed difference is small, strength is countered by durability(from Cap's armor), and long range attacks aren't an option in this thread. As for "at least as skilled"... how the Hell do you figure?

With all due respect , I think the speed difference is the decider here... Let alone the difference in strength.

Originally posted by Mindset
Most Martial Arts are pretty useless, just wanted to throw that out there.

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No they aren't. Almost every Art is useful in one situation or another. Versatility in the Arts never hurt anyone.

Originally posted by Mindship
Just to throw this out there: what if Spider-Man knew Cap's fighting style as well as Cap knew his?

1. Irrelevant. He doesn't.

2. In the hypothetical situation that he did, it'd minimally affect the outcome - Spidey isn't the tactical melee genius that Cap is.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
I tire of this whole bullet argument.

Don't you know bullets, lasers, ninjas and trained soldiers are the most ridiculous things in comics? You can't base your whole argument off a bullet after its been fired. In real life no one below quicksilver speed should be able to dodge a bullet as most bullets travel around the speed of sound, and some can reach mach 2/3 and even greater. Secondly, no one below Wonder women speed should be able to dodge lasers; because you know, lasers travel at the speed of light?

In comics can Spidey dodge lasers? Yes

In comics can Cap dodge lasers? Yes

In comics hell Aunt may could probably dodge a laser.

In real life would any of the above be possible, HELL NO. And I know what you thinking "The spidersense will warn him", sure it will, and he will probably be able to get out of the path of the laser [b]BEFORE its fired. But I'm talking about no spider sense after its fired. No one has that speed below Wonder women level, and then people on her level would get tagged more often then not because lasers are just as fast as them.

That is real life, this is comics. You can keep up with all the math all you want, but at the end of the day, suspension of disbelief will see you through most of the disbelief.

Spiderman is fast enough to dodge bullets and see them in slow motion and so is cap. So how is it possible anybody ever lands a punch on them that isn't above quicksilver level in speed. They should never get tagged, in theory it makes sense. But again this is comics, and some things you have to take with a grain of salt.

Moral of story: bullet feats are good, but don't take them too far and leave the real life math out. [/B]

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't see how you guys constantly mentioning Cap's martial arts skills means he can win against a guy who is faster,

Originally posted by Endless Mike
stronger,

Originally posted by Endless Mike
at least as skilled,

Originally posted by Endless Mike
and precognitive,

Originally posted by Endless Mike
with a long - range immobilizing attack.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Sure, in a comic it could happen due to jobber auras and PIS, but in a vs. match I doubt it.

Didn't Spidey punch through that Gamma guy? The one who consisted of the 12 gangsters or something.

Punch him a shitload of times really, really hard and eventually his arms almost fell apart.

Originally posted by Faceman
With all due respect , I think the speed difference is the decider here... Let alone the difference in strength.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The speed difference isn't all that much though, Cap has a feats to match some of Spidey's best. I can all but guarantee that any speed feat you come up with for Spidey has an equivalent in Cap's resume.

Ok , before we explore the speed issue..What do you think about the difference in strength ? You are aware that Spidey won't be holding back..Class 20 punches with his speed ( that I think is being downplayed here) that combo would be too much for Cap to overcome...Remember Cap doesn't have his shield to block..

Originally posted by Soljer
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No they aren't. Almost every Art is useful in one situation or another. Versatility in the Arts never hurt anyone.

Is that why most are ineffective in actual combat situations?

Originally posted by Faceman
Ok , before we explore the speed issue..What do you think about the difference in strength ? You are aware that Spidey won't be holding back..Class 20 punches with his speed ( that I think is being downplayed here) that combo would be too much for Cap to overcome...Remember Cap doesn't have his shield to block..

Spidey's class ten again. Thank OMD.

And Cap's taken higher than class twenty before.

Originally posted by Mindset
Is that why most are ineffective in actual combat situations?

Define combat situation.

Originally posted by Faceman
Ok , before we explore the speed issue..What do you think about the difference in strength ? You are aware that Spidey won't be holding back..Class 20 punches with his speed ( that I think is being downplayed here) that combo would be too much for Cap to overcome...Remember Cap doesn't have his shield to block..

Originally posted by Soljer
Define combat situation.

A fight.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The strength difference is indeed significant, but even with Spidey's slight edge in speed it's not going to be enough to guarantee a win. See Cap's HUGE skill advantage combined with comparable speed means that Spidey's going to have the same difficulty getting in shots that he ALWAYS has in this situation. Even if they get in an equal number of shots, Cap's natural durability combined with his armor has repeatedly been shown as being capable of standing up to multiple punches from people on Peter's level(and above). On the other hand, Spidey has ZERO showings that attribute him with a resistance to pressure point strikes(and several which show a clear vulnerability to them) which means Cap will actually be able to put down Spidey with fewer hits than vice versa.

ok darth I accept. 🙂

I look forward to this..I shall go prep now.. 😈

Originally posted by Faceman
ok darth I accept. 🙂

I look forward to this..I shall go prep now.. 😈

I accept as well.

What are we accepting?

I need some prep time..Not a big fan of Spiderman. But I am very aware of his powerset......

Originally posted by Mindset
I accept as well.

What are we accepting?

Originally posted by Faceman
I need some prep time..Not a big fan of Spiderman. But I am very aware of his powerset......

Cap can't trick Spiderman's Spidersense in a 1 on 1 H2H fight. I can't believe how many people on here who think he can