Originally posted by h1a8
Remember the scan showing the bullet slowly inching up on Spidey from behind? When the bullet is probably inches away SM turns and sees it then nonchalantly gets out of the way watching the bullet in slow motion pass him.
Yeah. With his Spider Sense firing on all cylinders. So...where's that evidence, again?
Originally posted by Soljer
Haven't seen you post a single scan to prove it. Again; any speed feat you care to post for Parker, Cap can almost certainly match.That's a very ignorant position to take. We're debating about fictional characters - all we have to go in is what the writers choose to tell us they're capable of. If Cap were shown outrunning a laser, well, then he [b]can
move at the speed of light. The ink on the page holds superiority over whatever you feel like Cap should be capable of.A simple equation proves nothing in this instance.
of.Five seconds, hm?
"He's hit me three times. I didn't get him once. Elapsed time - ten seconds."
So much for that theory.
Because this forum isn't about what you self-titled 'experts' believe ( I wouldn't mind seeing your degree, by the way. I very much doubt you graduated with honors in...*cough* 'Common Sense,' seeing that common sense would lead you to realize that you're in a COMIC BOOK VERSUS FORUM). You're not being honest and truthful. You're deluding yourself. [/B]
Actual fights hold no water if they contradict what will really happen.
Contradictions can't exist my friend (not even in fantasy or thought). Otherwise, everything is nonsense. I argue against contradictions and that is why you say "I don't like it, it didn't happen." It is a contradict for CA to even hit Spidey once. Say no it isn't and I will disprove you.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actual fights hold no water if they contradict what will really happen.
Contradictions can't exist my friend (not even in fantasy or thought). Otherwise, everything is nonsense. I argue against contradictions and that is why you say "I don't like it, it didn't happen." It is a contradict for CA to even hit Spidey once. Say no it isn't and I will disprove you.
Go for it. I await this undeniable and absolute proof.
This'll be good...
Originally posted by h1a8
Actual fights hold no water if they contradict what will really happen.
Contradictions can't exist my friend (not even in fantasy or thought). Otherwise, everything is nonsense. I argue against contradictions and that is why you say "I don't like it, it didn't happen." It is a contradict for CA to even hit Spidey once. Say no it isn't and I will disprove you.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Because he received a proportionate increase to his strength and when we do the math it doesn't "make sense" for him to be able to lift more. Thus any time he has lifted more than 8,000 lbs it's simply a case of PIS...
SM has an endoskeleton (spiders don't). This reinforces his Spider strength above the proportionate increase.
Originally posted by h1a8
SM has an endoskeleton (spiders don't). This reinforces his Spider strength above the proportionate increase.
Well what do you know, I guess we can take BOTH characters consistent depictions at face value whether they "make sense" on the surface or not 😄 .
Originally posted by Soljer
You will?Go for it. I await this undeniable and absolute proof.
This'll be good...
Proof:
1. Spidey's speed is greater (doesn't matter how much).
2. Spidey has SS which not only warns him of danger before its launched
(precog) but guides him out of the way to safety.
3. Spidey can see bullets in super slow motion (whether his SS is acting makes no difference).
4. CA is slower than a bullet (one doesn't need to be fast as a bullet to dodge it).
Now any attack CA will throw, SM's SS will tell him even before CA moves. The SS will also tell him where it is safe to move to because it guides him (it also guides him to block and catch attacks). So while CA is swinging Spidey can easily dodge, block or catch CA's arm (or leg). Now if CA fakes then the SS won't go off and Spidey wouldn't budge. Now if SM blocks or dodges a CA strike and CA tries to iniate another one while SM is dodging or blocking the first one the SM's SS will renew and warn him of the new danger. Now if CA launches a simultaneous attack (like a U punch) then 1 and 2 (guides him) causes him to not get hit.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap knows every standard form of martial arts on the planet and has on panel depictions of using/focusing chi, this reinforces his speed/reflexes beyond the "peak human" levels granted by the SSS.Well what do you know, I guess we can take BOTH characters consistent depictions at face value whether they "make sense" on the surface or not 😄 .
Chi doesn't increase your speed and reflexes. Plus where is the evidence that CA can use chi to augment his abilities. I studied and experienced experts using Chi power several years ago and it hardly does anything to increase speed and reflexes. It does seem to affect strength a small amount. But this is too small an amount to even say it increases it by even 20%. Also, SM won't give him a chance to meditate here.
Originally posted by h1a8
Chi doesn't increase your speed and reflexes.
Originally posted by h1a8
Plus where is the evidence that CA can use chi to augment his abilities.
Originally posted by h1a8
I studied and experienced experts using Chi power several years ago and it hardly does anything to increase speed and reflexes. It does seem to affect strength a small amount. But this is too small an amount to even say it increases it by even 20%.
Originally posted by h1a8
Also, SM won't give him a chance to meditate here.
Originally posted by Mindset
Most Martial Arts are pretty useless, just wanted to throw that out there.
Originally posted by h1a8
Proof:1. Spidey's speed is greater (doesn't matter how much).
2. Spidey has SS which not only warns him of danger before its launched
(precog) but guides him out of the way to safety.3. Spidey can see bullets in super slow motion (whether his SS is acting makes no difference).
4. CA is slower than a bullet (one doesn't need to be fast as a bullet to dodge it).
Now any attack CA will throw, SM's SS will tell him even before CA moves. The SS will also tell him where it is safe to move to because it guides him (it also guides him to block and catch attacks). So while CA is swinging Spidey can easily dodge, block or catch CA's arm (or leg). Now if CA fakes then the SS won't go off and Spidey wouldn't budge. Now if SM blocks or dodges a CA strike and CA tries to iniate another one while SM is dodging or blocking the first one the SM's SS will renew and warn him of the new danger. Now if CA launches a simultaneous attack (like a U punch) then 1 and 2 (guides him) causes him to not get hit.
I tire of this whole bullet argument.
Don't you know bullets, lasers, ninjas and trained soldiers are the most ridiculous things in comics? You can't base your whole argument off a bullet after its been fired. In real life no one below quicksilver speed should be able to dodge a bullet as most bullets travel around the speed of sound, and some can reach mach 2/3 and even greater. Secondly, no one below Wonder women speed should be able to dodge lasers; because you know, lasers travel at the speed of light?
In comics can Spidey dodge lasers? Yes
In comics can Cap dodge lasers? Yes
In comics hell Aunt may could probably dodge a laser.
In real life would any of the above be possible, HELL NO. And I know what you thinking "The spidersense will warn him", sure it will, and he will probably be able to get out of the path of the laser BEFORE its fired. But I'm talking about no spider sense after its fired. No one has that speed below Wonder women level, and then people on her level would get tagged more often then not because lasers are just as fast as them.
That is real life, this is comics. You can keep up with all the math all you want, but at the end of the day, suspension of disbelief will see you through most of the disbelief.
Spiderman is fast enough to dodge bullets and see them in slow motion and so is cap. So how is it possible anybody ever lands a punch on them that isn't above quicksilver level in speed. They should never get tagged, in theory it makes sense. But again this is comics, and some things you have to take with a grain of salt.
Moral of story: bullet feats are good, but don't take them too far and leave the real life math out.
I don't see how you guys constantly mentioning Cap's martial arts skills means he can win against a guy who is faster, stronger, at least as skilled, and precognitive, with a long - range immobilizing attack.
Sure, in a comic it could happen due to jobber auras and PIS, but in a vs. match I doubt it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter if 95% are useless as long as the other 5% allow Cap to do what he does on a daily basis. Think about it, if there was only a single martial art on the planet that taught you to dodge a bullet and that form was the only one Cap knew, wouldn't it still be enough to accomplish the feat?
Ok, but there's no point in mentioning that Cap knows every martial arts style when most are useless.
Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, but there's no point in mentioning that Cap knows every martial arts style when most are useless.