Originally posted by Phantom Zone
hell its supposed to take 6 months on avreage for a person to first notice it. You did it for several months thats dont mean nothing.
It takes about 4 months. And I did notice it. I practiced it for about 4-6months. I got out of it when I became a christian. Someone persuaded me it wasn't of God to be into that stuff so I left it alone.
Originally posted by h1a8
Okay if you're right then please tell me who can do this. For I will gladly pay to learn to do this.
Dont pay anybody all you have to is keep doing the stuff and dont stop doing it.
Originally posted by h1a8
I guess my teacher was sh!tty.
I am referring more to the effectiveness of the chi achieved.
No I think you misunderstood what was going on. Yes the more time you take the more chi you get and you can increase the power of chi through breath but what im saying is when you get good you can still use a certain amount of chi instantly. The teacher probably could channel chi instantly but in order to break blocks he needed more time.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know you built up this chi when you say you did it instantly?
It was more powerful and this might sound funny but when you channel chi your body gets warmer.
Originally posted by h1a8
Was there a significant difference in the power of your punch vs. not building chi at all. And how can anyone or anything do anything instantaneous? It takes time to do anything.
Yes there was but not massive.
Originally posted by h1a8
From my understanding It takes at least one deep breath to build even the slightest chi.
Like I said that depends on how good you are.
Originally posted by h1a8
Note: I shouldn't be telling you this but I'll give you a hint on something. The study of true chi is really a secret. Many instructors are not teaching the real chi power. For with real chi power one can do super natural things. I don't want to go into too many details but moving objects without touching them is a sign that someone is teaching you the real thing.
I dont really want to get into this because I have not seen abolsute proof but I suspect it maybe possible. As far as I know you really have be determind you have to do lots of meditation and keep doing it, but unfortuantely in the West people dont have time.
Just a note though eventhough I think chi is good dont do what I did. I had to stop doing Qi gong because I trained to hard, so I have to stick to meditation im still not sure if I will fully recover from my injuries.
Originally posted by h1a8
It takes about 4 months. And I did notice it. I practiced it for about 4-6months. I got out of it when I became a christian. Someone persuaded me it wasn't of God to be into that stuff so I left it alone.
If god exists god created chi, why would it be bad? You're a born again Christian that explains alot. Besides Moses and Solomon used magic.....anyway this is getting OT.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course we're agreed. I never tried to claim that Cap was as fast as Spidey, just close enough.Well as has been pointed out, Cap's strength is no where near Spidey's so a direct comparison of strength feats is ridiculous. However if you're trying to determine how well Cap will be able to weather Spidey's punches we can look here...
Taking multiple shot from Powerman before going down…
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2526/avengers02180019xg1.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9357/avengers02180020jc1.jpgWithstanding a bullrush from Namor
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4633/p13ue3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/613/p12cs1.jpgAnd a punch from Namor...
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3695/captainamerica365actsofmi8.jpgAnd aside from his ability to take a punch, we mustn’t forget Cap’s uncanny ability to roll with punches…
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3562/fantasticfourv1250p16bq6.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9568/fantasticfourv1250p17oy6.jpgSee you have to remember that Cap has more going for him than just peak human durability, he’s also got grade A armor…
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2056/avengersdisassembled06taq7.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8827/avengersdisassembled06ttm6.jpgAll in all, I think it’s safe to say that even though Spidey CAN KO Cap, he’s going to have to get in more than a few shots to do it.
And if we're trying to figure out whether or not Cap is going to be able to hurt Spidey with his punches and pressure point attacks, these scans certainly seem to indicate that he can…
Cap(in the aged body of Red Skull, so no SSS) uses pressure a point attack to immobilize the limbs of Goliath…
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4046/captainamerica116farworth6.jpgKO’s Viper with a nerve cluster pinch…
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3366/captainamerica343slippeoq1.jpgCatches the fist of John Walker(sometimes known as US Agent) and makes him cry out in pain via pressure point…
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8246/invaders082005page07ua8.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3109/invaders082005page08tq2.jpgBreaks the ribs of Mr. Hyde…
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/559/captainamerica152terrorzd0.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8793/captainamerica152terrordz2.jpgAs unbelievable as it sounds at first, Cap actually has a better chance of one shotting Peter than vice versa.
I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. 😛
Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.
Originally posted by Faceman
I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. 😛Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.
Spiderman never manhandled Cap to my knowledge. I remember that scene as well.
Originally posted by Faceman
I'm glad we're in agreement. I would hate to have to kick you out the team. 😛Back on topic. Those scans are all great showing how well Cap can take it. And I agree that Cap wont be easy for Spidey. But none of those scans show a character in the speed level of Spidey.
Fighting at his ( best) he would be ( too fast) for Cap. Let along too strong for him. And lets not forget Spidey has fought just about everyone. The potential for battle scans is in my favor. I dont care how many Cap scans you're holding on to.
Seriously there's one scan where it takes all the Classic Avengers to hold Spidey down, after he had manhandled Cap.
See now we've established...
A. Spiderman's faster, but the difference in speed is negligible so it's still entirely possible Cap to hang with Spidey.
B. Cap's armor and natural durability are sufficient to withstand multiple punches from Spiderman.
C. Cap has advanced fighting techniques that allow him to hurt/injure/immobilize people stronger/more durable than Spiderman with a single shot.
So now what we need is some indication that Cap's pressure point attacks WON'T be one shotting Spidey.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I wasn't looking for scans against fast opponents because we've already established that yes Spidey's faster, but the difference in speed is a slight one. I thought we had moved on to the subject of strength, which is why I posted scans of Cap taking shots from people stronger than Spiderman and scans of Cap hurting people stronger/more durable than Spiderman using pressure points and skill.See now we've established...
A. Spiderman's faster, but the difference in speed is negligible so it's still entirely possible Cap to hang with Spidey.
B. Cap's armor and natural durability are sufficient to withstand multiple punches from Spiderman.
C. Cap has advanced fighting techniques that allow him to hurt/injure/immobilize people stronger/more durable than Spiderman with a single shot.
A. Spiderman is much faster than a peak human.
B. Spiderman can punch through his face if he wants or his chain mail.
C. CA won't touch Spidey once, for it is impossible. And when Spidey hits him there comes instant death (or combo to ko if you don't think so).
You're right..
Spidey can also take a good punch darth..Here he takes a good one from Namor..
1. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/100.jpg
2. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/101.jpg
3. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/102.jpg
4. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/104.jpg
5. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/105.jpg
And against your guy darth..
1. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/1-2.jpg
2. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/2-2.jpg
3. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/3-2.jpg
4. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/4-2.jpg
5. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/5-2.jpg
6. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/6-2.jpg
7. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/7-2.jpg
8. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/8-2.jpg
9. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/9-2.jpg
10. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/10-2.jpg
11. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/11-2.jpg
12. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/12-2.jpg
Spidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .
Originally posted by Faceman
And against your guy darth..1. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/1-2.jpg
2. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/2-2.jpg
3. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/3-2.jpg
4. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/4-2.jpg
5. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/5-2.jpg
6. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/6-2.jpg
7. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/7-2.jpg
8. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/8-2.jpg
9. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/9-2.jpg
10. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/10-2.jpg
11. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/11-2.jpg
12. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/12-2.jpgSpidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .
That's a good point. NYC is Spidey's playground.
Originally posted by FacemanWe disregard Cap handing Spider-Man his ass a couple times... but we think Spidey vs Surfer is good evidence?
And against your guy darth..1. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/1-2.jpg
2. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/2-2.jpg
3. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/3-2.jpg
4. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/4-2.jpg
5. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/5-2.jpg
6. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/6-2.jpg
7. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/7-2.jpg
8. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/8-2.jpg
9. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/9-2.jpg
10. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/10-2.jpg
11. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/11-2.jpg
12. http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/12-2.jpgSpidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .
Eh what?
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
We disregard Cap handing Spider-Man his ass a couple times... but we think Spidey vs Surfer is good evidence?Eh what?
Everyone saying Cap wins uses evidence like him taking hits from Namor or koing Rhino with a kick. 🙄
And Spiderman never hurt SS, although it does show good durability and speed.
Escaping the Hulks grip with a strike. Can you imagine what that strike would have done to Caps back ?
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/36.jpg
Momentarily knocking the Hulk back with a punch.
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj133/paladin123456/38.jpg
Originally posted by Faceman
Spidey can take anything Cap has to offer, and more....Also, if the fight takes place in a city environment. Whats to stop Spidey from useing a street pole, or something heavy in the environment to use as a clubing weapon agaisnt Cap .
Because last I checked, a street pole was not a 'hand.'
There is a reason the title says 'h2h.'
Originally posted by Faceman
Cap even admitted Spidey being sronger/faster than him.
I've posted the scan in the character ownage thread. I just need to retrieve it....
I wouldn't surprise me at all if Cap said that. But Spiderman has never manhandled him in a fight.
Cap's better skill counters Spidermans better strength and speed. As it has been shown in the books and against other faster and stronger foes.
