Originally posted by AvlonWell it is quanchi. He seems to excel at bad logic. We seem to have a number of people on the boards that do that. Ignore circumstance and cherry pick the evidence and then totally deny they do it. I also find it funny when they declare themselves the winner when their logic has holes in it big enough to drive a mack truck thorugh.
I just don't see how anyone can admit that it took two blasts of something + having 2 opponents fighting against Henshaw...and yet still claim a "one shot" of anything. 😂
Originally posted by jadervasonDarkseid wasnt fine. He stated that he was at full strength when he fired the second blast. Whats stopping Darkseid anyways from being right near him when blasting anyways. Its not like they will be fighting a football field away.
Homey, Darkseid was fine. He simply can't kill Henshaw from such a distance.
Originally posted by CreshoskHenshaw cant survive a full strength blast from Darkseid. Its canon.
Well it is quanchi. He seems to excel at bad logic. We seem to have a number of people on the boards that do that. Ignore circumstance and cherry pick the evidence and then totally deny they do it. I also find it funny when they declare themselves the winner when their logic has holes in it big enough to drive a mack truck thorugh.
Originally posted by quanchi112Funny you should say that:
Its not like they will be fighting a football field away.
Originally posted by Soljer
by the forum rules, combatants begin half a kilometer apart,
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
On another note that I still don't think has been addressed that well:That's Wembley stadium. Multiply the distance between the goals by 5 and we have the distance between the two. Can someone post something to indicate that they'd even be able to see each other at the start of the match?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Well it is quanchi. He seems to excel at bad logic. We seem to have a number of people on the boards that do that. Ignore circumstance and cherry pick the evidence and then totally deny they do it. I also find it funny when they declare themselves the winner when their logic has holes in it big enough to drive a mack truck thorugh.
Agreed. 👆
By the logic used by some, I guess it's safe to say the E2 Superman 1 shotted the Anti-monitor.
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Originally posted by quanchi112You don't listen to the direct approach, so why would I try to change your mind on characters you don't care about? You have an extremely low view on Darkseid, and apparently an even lower one on Cyborg. And yet you think Cyborg can Superman, but Superman can easily smash Darkseid...
This isnt about them. This is about Henshaw and darkseid. How does Henshaw avoid the omega effect?
Anyway, so you want me to talk about Henshaw, and Darkseid?
OK.
Let's see...
It took two shots to a Cyborg fighting Superman to bring him down (whether he was at full power is irrelevant right now). This is all you stick to. This is seemingly all you know on Darkseid and Cyborg. However, you miss the obvious.
Henshaw is simply more powerful now. By far.
The last two things to bring him down were a planet destroyed, Hal's power to be amplified by a hundred, and that only managed to take off half his body.
And, a galaxy destroying blast (ignoring what happened before that), which only managed to destroy his body... except his head.
Those are at his most powerful. And back then, things of this magnitude would have utterly destroyed him.
What you also forget is that Henshaw was only using Apok Exo-amor for his body. He never updated it (well, he placed his 'powers', mind, etc in it) until after he got his with the OB the first time (and that was switching bodies)... Can we assume he was less durable? Perhaps... either way, it's not my point.
And even after Darkseid took him down, Henshaw came back, and said: "Let me demonstrate the wonder of my newfound strength", and then took down Superman swiftly and easily. This certainly screams powerup.
He also recently took a blast from a Guardian that only melted his skin off (Ganthet has stomped GL's on panel while toying with them). He easily defeated Superman.
Seriously, this guy is more durable than Superman by a good portion IMO. Yet, Superman survives the OE by sheer durability; you give him his credits, then turn around and say Henshaw would be obliterated by the lower grade (what everyone's been telling me) OB's?
I don't get how this makes sense. You say Mary Marvel swats away the OE, you say Superman can reflect the OE, but Henshaw CAN NOT survive them? Hell, don't you think Darkseid has been downgraded as well? 😂
Superman was almost in deep shit from holding Henshaw when he got OB'd. Should we use this as a common day feat? No. I definately wouldn't. And Henshaw has grown with Superman in comics, and has almost always stayed his superior. Even current day is no different.
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And, I know you're going to say that: "Well, Superman can survive them now, and Henshaw can't, so your post is irrelevant."
However, this logic is applied to almost any comic situation that happened a while ago. Especially Thing/Reed vs Galactus.
The main reason I bring this up, is because Galactus was weakened, was softened up by Thor, and was distracted by Strange's illusions.
Comparison you ask?
Henshaw just got hit by the OB's, was weaker back then, and was distracted by Superman.
And if Galactus was at full power, should we assume that this could be replicated by Thing/Reed?
No, we shouldn't, because Galactus would be at full power, and he wouldn't be distracted, or softened up.
Now, full power Galactus is like upgraded Hank in my scenario if you can't see. He is more powerful, and he isn't fighting someone else, and he wasn't previously hit with another blast (s).
Simply because something has happened before, and hasn't been attempted again, doesn't mean it will work. Do you believe Thing and Reed would knock out Galactus? I don't.
Now, I know this comparison is going to the extremes, however, it is pretty similar. I could probably make a couple more comparisons from different fights, but this one was on my head at the time.
Etc, etc.
What happened like 15 years ago is not relevant to current Henshaw, is basically what I'm saying.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You don't listen to the direct approach, so why would I try to change your mind on characters you don't care about? You have an extremely low view on Darkseid, and apparently an even lower one on Cyborg. And yet you think Cyborg can Superman, but Superman can easily smash Darkseid...
It's a f*cked up thought.Anyway, so you want me to talk about Henshaw, and Darkseid?
OK.
Let's see...
It took two shots to a Cyborg fighting Superman to bring him down (whether he was at full power is irrelevant right now). This is all you stick to. This is seemingly all you know on Darkseid and Cyborg. However, you miss the obvious.
Henshaw is simply more powerful now. By far.
The last two things to bring him down were a planet destroyed, Hal's power to be amplified by a hundred, and that only managed to take off half his body.
And, a galaxy destroying blast (ignoring what happened before that), which only managed to destroy his body... except his head.Those are at his most powerful. And back then, things of this magnitude would have utterly destroyed him.
What you also forget is that Henshaw was only using Apok Exo-amor for his body. He never updated it (well, he placed his 'powers', mind, etc in it) until after he got his with the OB the first time (and that was switching bodies)... Can we assume he was less durable? Perhaps... either way, it's not my point.
And even after Darkseid took him down, Henshaw came back, and said: "Let me demonstrate the wonder of my newfound strength", and then took down Superman swiftly and easily. This certainly screams powerup.
He also recently took a blast from a Guardian that only melted his skin off (Ganthet has stomped GL's on panel while toying with them). He easily defeated Superman.
Seriously, this guy is more durable than Superman by a good portion IMO. Yet, Superman survives the OE by sheer durability; you give him his credits, then turn around and say Henshaw would be obliterated by the lower grade (what everyone's been telling me) OB's?
I don't get how this makes sense. You say Mary Marvel swats away the OE, you say Superman can reflect the OE, but Henshaw CAN NOT survive them? Hell, don't you think Darkseid has been downgraded as well? 😂Superman was almost in deep shit from holding Henshaw when he got OB'd. Should we use this as a common day feat? No. I definately wouldn't. And Henshaw has grown with Superman in comics, and has almost always stayed his superior. Even current day is no different.
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And, I know you're going to say that: "Well, Superman can survive them now, and Henshaw can't, so your post is irrelevant."
However, this logic is applied to almost any comic situation that happened a while ago. Especially Thing/Reed vs Galactus.
The main reason I bring this up, is because Galactus was weakened, was softened up by Thor, and was distracted by Strange's illusions.
Comparison you ask?
Henshaw just got hit by the OB's, was weaker back then, and was distracted by Superman.And if Galactus was at full power, should we assume that this could be replicated by Thing/Reed?
No, we shouldn't, because Galactus would be at full power, and he wouldn't be distracted, or softened up.Now, full power Galactus is like upgraded Hank in my scenario if you can't see. He is more powerful, and he isn't fighting someone else, and he wasn't previously hit with another blast (s).
Simply because something has happened before, and hasn't been attempted again, doesn't mean it [b]will
work. Do you believe Thing and Reed would knock out Galactus? I don't.Now, I know this comparison is going to the extremes, however, it is pretty similar. I could probably make a couple more comparisons from different fights, but this one was on my head at the time.
Etc, etc. [/B]
Despite all that, I still think Darkseid could win at least one or two.
It's mother****ing Darkseid, after all.
Excellent post though. It's kind of interesting to think about things like, Henshaw's eye beams have put down the likes of Mongul and Superman with one hit, for as long as we've known him. Darkseid is helladurable, but...Henshaw hasn't exactly gotten weaker since then.
Between Hank and Darksy, Cyclops is somewhere crying.
Originally posted by jadervasonI never said Darkseid couldn't win. I just don't see relevance between then, and now. Darkseid could most likely bring him down a few... but he's not 'one-shotting' him like he did back then.
Despite all that, I still think Darkseid could win at least one or two.It's mother****ing Darkseid, after all.
Excellent post though. It's kind of interesting to think about things like, Henshaw's eye beams have put down the likes of Mongul and Superman with one hit, for as long as we've known him. Darkseid is helladurable, but...Henshaw hasn't exactly gotten weaker since then.
Between Hank and Darksy, Cyclops is somewhere crying.
Thanks.
He's spanked Superman when he wants to fight him pretty easily. But he does have low showings that I think he would just laugh off going by current. Meh.
Ya. Stupid ass hat. He's only cool in certain instances.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistI dont have an extremely low view on Darkseid. I think he is a top tier. His struggles with Superman and now Orion prove it. Anyways I still think he was powerful just not as much as some on here think.
You don't listen to the direct approach, so why would I try to change your mind on characters you don't care about? You have an extremely low view on Darkseid, and apparently an even lower one on Cyborg. And yet you think Cyborg can Superman, but Superman can easily smash Darkseid...
It's a f*cked up thought.Anyway, so you want me to talk about Henshaw, and Darkseid?
OK.
Let's see...
It took two shots to a Cyborg fighting Superman to bring him down (whether he was at full power is irrelevant right now). This is all you stick to. This is seemingly all you know on Darkseid and Cyborg. However, you miss the obvious.
Henshaw is simply more powerful now. By far.
The last two things to bring him down were a planet destroyed, Hal's power to be amplified by a hundred, and that only managed to take off half his body.
And, a galaxy destroying blast (ignoring what happened before that), which only managed to destroy his body... except his head.Those are at his most powerful. And back then, things of this magnitude would have utterly destroyed him.
What you also forget is that Henshaw was only using Apok Exo-amor for his body. He never updated it (well, he placed his 'powers', mind, etc in it) until after he got his with the OB the first time (and that was switching bodies)... Can we assume he was less durable? Perhaps... either way, it's not my point.
And even after Darkseid took him down, Henshaw came back, and said: "Let me demonstrate the wonder of my newfound strength", and then took down Superman swiftly and easily. This certainly screams powerup.
He also recently took a blast from a Guardian that only melted his skin off (Ganthet has stomped GL's on panel while toying with them). He easily defeated Superman.
Seriously, this guy is more durable than Superman by a good portion IMO. Yet, Superman survives the OE by sheer durability; you give him his credits, then turn around and say Henshaw would be obliterated by the lower grade (what everyone's been telling me) OB's?
I don't get how this makes sense. You say Mary Marvel swats away the OE, you say Superman can reflect the OE, but Henshaw CAN NOT survive them? Hell, don't you think Darkseid has been downgraded as well? 😂Superman was almost in deep shit from holding Henshaw when he got OB'd. Should we use this as a common day feat? No. I definately wouldn't. And Henshaw has grown with Superman in comics, and has almost always stayed his superior. Even current day is no different.
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And, I know you're going to say that: "Well, Superman can survive them now, and Henshaw can't, so your post is irrelevant."
However, this logic is applied to almost any comic situation that happened a while ago. Especially Thing/Reed vs Galactus.
The main reason I bring this up, is because Galactus was weakened, was softened up by Thor, and was distracted by Strange's illusions.
Comparison you ask?
Henshaw just got hit by the OB's, was weaker back then, and was distracted by Superman.And if Galactus was at full power, should we assume that this could be replicated by Thing/Reed?
No, we shouldn't, because Galactus would be at full power, and he wouldn't be distracted, or softened up.Now, full power Galactus is like upgraded Hank in my scenario if you can't see. He is more powerful, and he isn't fighting someone else, and he wasn't previously hit with another blast (s).
Simply because something has happened before, and hasn't been attempted again, doesn't mean it [b]will
work. Do you believe Thing and Reed would knock out Galactus? I don't.Now, I know this comparison is going to the extremes, however, it is pretty similar. I could probably make a couple more comparisons from different fights, but this one was on my head at the time.
Etc, etc.
What happened like 15 years ago is not relevant to current Henshaw, is basically what I'm saying. [/B]
Ok Henshaw is more powerful. But Superman cant survive the omega effect so why would Henshaw even if hes more durable. Supes has avoided it once and has had help avoiding the beams twice in one fight. I am saying that just because supes does something we cannot automatically assume Henshaw can do it. If this is a physical contest henshaw takes it. I have stated this from the beginning.
I have seen Nova and Annihilus survive 3 star system destroying blasts with not very much damage visible to either person. Henshaw was a head basically. Sure its kinda impressive but I have seen other characters survive the same kinda thing and looked much better and were more than a floating head that his manhunters helped revive.
Mary Marvel seems superior to me than Henshaw but thats another debate. He didnt want to destroy her anyways and later returned her power because he wanted to use her. 😉
The guardians didnt seem impressive in that arc and were basically saved by the green lanterns. Sure they are powerful but didnt really do anything outside of power Prime up and bfr him.
I agree that Henshaw wont have his back turned obviously as he fights Superman but I still think Supes hasnt avoided the oe easily and in the one story he had help to get past the omega beams.
I think Supermans experience with Darkseid helps him also. He really has been fed up with Darkseid and has really wanted to put him down lately. Its like he isnt holding back anymore when he faces him.
So in conclusion we are still going to disagree but if Henshaw manages to avoid the oe while I dont think he will he wins but if it hits him hes still not durable enough to survive.