Originally posted by Tenebrous
There's no way to prove that...IM "can stop in place where no transformer or jet going at those speeds can". Perhaps I've got the advantage of having seen transformers again on tv this past weekend, while others may have seen it when it came out last year.......starscream flew at full speed straight towards the hoover dam, flew under a bridge, swooped up, transformed in mid ascension, grabbed the bridge in mid-transformation, and landed on the bridge....all while slowing his velocity, transforming, and preventing himself from landing on the bridge with such force so as to not break it once he landed. Iron Man broke through his roof, into his living room, down to his basement, and ruined one of his cars, just by slowing down, then dropping 10 feet or so. Now I'll give you conventional jets, Iron Man can stop in place at those speeds, and conventional jets won't be able to replicate....but again you make the same error everyone else in the thread is, just because starscream looks like an F22....he does NOT fly like one, have weaponry like one, or have the same durability. He's far superior in every regard.
Starscream is a cybertronian strike jet....like Megatron in the movie was. When the TFs land on earth, they scan earth vehicles so they can take its form, not its function. Now, being a cybertronian strike jet appearing to be an F22...how would you know that it can't stop at full velocities? It's an alien craft...why are you equating alien craft to conventional jets? You can't.
You assume he can get to the belly of starscream....assuming he can get that close. as I proved in earlier posts Iron Man can't outrun F22s. On the converse, he couldn't catch up with one if he were chasing it.
What is iron man gonna do when Starscream flies into orbit...then comes back in and strafes a bewildered tony?
More on maneuverability....recall that when Tony is taking the suit for a ride, he blunders down the street in Santa Monica (I think) wildly and nearly loses control several times.....contrast with Starscream being the first decepticon to arrive in the city where the autobots and military are, diving through the streets...which prompts the military on the ground to recognize that Starscream is not one of their pilots by any means.
Think about it....something as large as an F22 strike plane flying through city streets at high velocities......impossible for any professional pilot, let alone an extreme amateur like Tony Stark, even if only wearing a suit, as he failed to exhibit any kind of precision when flying through the streets.
okay not stop in place but pretty much bring his velocity to almost a stand still when in the movie they past him when he let out his flaps and they were like wtf!
look like starscream kinda swung around curbing his momentum but im not too sure. Anyway its totally different doing that in the air and continuing to be airborne.
As for the weight thing the hoover damn is far greater a structure then Starks house which is not ment to hold back like a gazillion gallons of pressure coming from a large body of water. THe roof of his building is ment to protect from rain, his living room able to withstand a large piano or anything else one would normall put in the living room, and a car both starscream and iron would easly crumple a car if they stepped on it (i assume Starscream should be far heavier then IM anyway look how big he is and if he is suppose to be have greater fire power and great durability and all that cybertornian jizz jazz it would be safe to assume that he should be heavier then the average F-22 or whatever jet which is def heavier then the iron man suit.)
In the movie it didn't say starscream is a cybertronian strike jet did they (i mean did they i don't remember). I mean Yes i agree the Starscream is a cybertronian strike jet but the IM suit is suppose to have so much other stuff technological wise but they didn't do it in the movie or even alluded to it. I mean yes Starscream is a alien space craft and yeah i don't know if it can do that in the atmosphere but neither do you because it never happened in the movie. The reason im relating alien craft to manmade jets is because in the movie starscream went up against jets and IM had to deal with jets and that is how we are trying to debate based on something both movies have in common. Without this commonality it would be all speculation. If starscream never fought jets but fought subs and IM also fought subs this thread would be "who would win in a under water fight." That is why im comparing Starscream to a jet.
Well in the movie the jets were chasing him and he slowed down to a point where the pilots could not react and lost sight of him. He grabbed them in their pursuit after him. Yes starscream could possible catch IM but it wopuld be like flying cicrles around him but he could likily do the same here. Run a bit lets starscream try and persue him and then when he is about to catch IM slowdown let Starscream blow past him and grab his belly! 😄 for a nice hug.
IM would let go but I think IM would have more then enough time to damage or destroy Starscream. I don't know the math but from teh height of normal altitude of what I assume they would be fighting against each other on it should take 10-45 secs atleast and i mean im sure it takes longer but lets just give starscream the benefit of the doubt. Ironman can launch all his weapons and including that tank buster weapon (that missle that was the size of a chap stick that stuck on to the tank and it went KABOOM!)
As someone did mention IM did go through the streets i mean even all crazy like but he didn't crash into anything.