darthgoober
Senior Member
Originally posted by Typhus
First of all, the notion that my guys won’t be ready to react because they have a plan is ridiculous. In a battle, you’re ready for anything, plans change and adapt as the situation changes, they wouldn’t follow it at the cost of their own lives.
The fact that your team already has a preset plan they were in the process of executing just just seals the deal, the simple fact of the matter is that none of your team has ever shown the ability to react to something like that in the first place.
Originally posted by Typhus
And about the Surfer/Redshift scan, Redshift was distracted by the fight with Surfer and that’s why he couldn’t see the spatial wave coming. Also, that scan proves Redshift has dealt with that attack before and with experience comes wisdom. It’s safe to say that he’d be ready for such an attack.
Proof that’s the reason why and that he now has a counter for it in mind?
Originally posted by Typhus
More to the point those scans show NO ability to generate a timed explosion. That’s really reaching and it seems your whole strategy relies on that being super effective.
These scans DO show Surfer’s ability to create a timed explosion…
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpghttp://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpgAnd to back it up here’s Dr, Doom setting up a timed effect when he had the Surfer’s Power Cosmic…
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3527/16freezesislandevolutiohh0.jpg
Originally posted by Typhus
And you said even if the attack failed, Adaptoid would be right behind it flying at FTKL speed; well that would put SA right in the middle of Redshifts portal, which my team is behind. There is NO way you’re ramming Terrax. The moment you come around the portal, Morg, Terrax, or Stardust would slice your board in half.
What makes you think I’ll have to go around the portal when I can teleport…
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7996/ffannual05silversurfer1tl0.jpgYou forget my intention is to head strait for Terrax. I won’t be going around the portal I’ll be teleporting past it and slam right into Terrax(as was my intention).
Originally posted by Typhus
And about Surfer being stronger than any two of my guys, that’s ridiculous. Morg is superior strength wise and all my team members have fought Surfer 1 on 1 in the past and they have all the same abilities that power cosmic grants Surfer.
I didn’t say that Surfer was stronger than any two of your guy put together, I said that the Silver Adaptoid is stronger than any two of your guys put together(and he is).
Originally posted by Typhus
Working as a team after having fought a suped up Juggernaut and a suped up Nate Gray would make them ready for a single strong opponent - by now it’s their specialty. And Surfer isn’t so far above my guys that he could take on all of them, and that’s why you need the spatial wave to succeed.
Surfer doesn’t have to be strong enough to beat all of them because Surfer’s not in this fight. You’re facing someone with all of Surfer’s power, plus the power of Herc and Lex with the skills and equipment of Cap and the Black Knight, so yeah he’s strong enough to beat them even without the spatial wave(since he‘s too tough to hurt and has the strength and equipment to one shot anyone on your team).
Originally posted by Typhus
With regards to Silver Adaptoid’s mind, yes, you get full knowledge of your powers, but that doesn’t mean you will use them as well as the original would or have the imagination/insight to come up with new tactics using those powers. What do you think the point of the “mind” part of the amalgam is? Characters will act in character, and depending on who’s in charge, it can be an advantage or it can prove fatal.
Wrong it means I can do anything Surfer can do just as well as he can. The difference is that he lacks Surfer’s ability to be innovative. But here’s the thing, you’re making my plan out to be so complex that it would require a lot of imagination to come up with and it’s not. The whole spatial energy wave is just a fancy name for a big energy blast so what makes you think he couldn’t come up with it?
Originally posted by Typhus
Which brings me to my next point. With characters acting in character, why would Super Adaptoid create a huge opening explosion with out even knowing who he’s up against. It’s not logical to waste that much energy on an unknown opponent. You’re writing your strategy as if SA knows exactly who he’s dealing with but he doesn’t. Super Adaptoid would not open the battle with such a plan, it just doesn’t make sense.
It’s not a waste of power because he’ll be replenishing his energy with the Nega Bands, so it makes perfect sense for him to use that much energy. So far in this tournament he’s faced off against a Waverider/Metron amalgam, a team with Thor and the Doctor on it(along with Reed and Lex), and a Zoom/Dr. Strange Amalgam so he knows the level of the competition. The mind of Super Adaptoid doesn’t really like to toy with opponents unless it’s to further a plan, he likes to take opponents out as quickly and efficiently as possible and goes for an opening “cheap shot“ whenever he can…
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1253/avengersv128913eo8.jpgOriginally posted by Typhus
Yes he has full knowledge of his powers, however you’re taking two separate instances and making an assumption that combining them would equal some amazing unblockable attack. Adaptoid is just not that creative and like I said, such an opening would be illogical to Adaptoid.
If he came into the situation thinking something like…
“My bomb didn’t work in the first round because the energy type didn’t effect my opponent”
What would be the more logical than for him to think…
“Maybe I should use an energy type that effects a wider range of opponents”?
Originally posted by Typhus
You didn’t buy knowledge of the opposition and without that there’s not much you can prep for specifically. You’re writing your plan as if SA knows who he’s fighting and that’s not happening.
No I’m writing my plan as if I survived the previous rounds. With my uber “Adaptoid Army” plan(which is nearly identical to a plan he already attempted) from rounds one and two barred, I switched to the Time Bomb” strategy in round three, and it makes sense because Digi used a similar attack in round 2 and as you said the Super Adaptoid’s mind isn’t that original(come to think of it, he pretty much “adapted” the plan from Digi). When the blast didn’t work because of the energy type to one with a broader target range.
Now you want to tell me how you see that as anything OTHER than the natual progression of a plan for someone with Super Adaptoid’s mind?
Originally posted by Typhus
And here is SA being defeated once again because, like Cap says, he lacks the human element. He doesn’t have the imagination and fighting spirit that pushes him beyond his limits.
In practice, giving Surfer SA’s mind is more of a hindrance than a help.
Yeah… in a fight between opponents are equal in every respect other than one of them as imagination and “fighting spirit” the one with spirit is going to win because he has something the other is lacking even though it’s a relatively minute difference. But this isn’t really a situation like that because my guy is strong/powerful enough to one shot any of your team, and he’s to fast/skilled/durable for any of them to hurt.
Originally posted by Typhus
And finally, how many templates are you trying to utilize at once? You have Herc’s strength, Lex’s powersuit, Cap’s shield, Black Knight’s weapons and you’re trying to then copy the powers of my heralds? You’ve said yourself that:2 or 3 templates, he’s never shown the ability you’re pulling out now, which is 5 or more.
Oh that’s right you weren’t here in round one when I explained all that. As Hank Pym explains in this scan...
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=17625832hc0.jpg
...the reason Super Adaptoid is limited in the number of people who's powers he can copy at once is because Super Adaptoid's body can only store/channel so much energy at a time. But the Silver Adaptoid doesn't have the body of SA, he has the body of Surfer and Surfer's body was MADE to store/channel unreal amounts of energy so I can access far more abilities at once than SA without overloading. Given the fact that after Surfer received his Black Body upgrade during the Unilord Saga(an upgrade he still possesses) he was able to store enough energy to combat an Elder God/Abstract level character on equal footing, I think it’s safe to say that he can handle the energies from the four templates I‘m using.