AOTC Obi-Wan vs. TPM Obi-Wan w/Darkside · Star Wars Versus Forum

Pyron_Knight Eater of Worlds

AOTC Obi-Wan vs. TPM Obi-Wan w/Darkside

Basically this thread should conclusively show how Maul is far far below any of the top tiers in the PT.\

As you can see, a pissed off Padawan Obi-Wan can break Mau's weapon and knock him down in under 30 seconds of a fight.
YouTube video

Dooku can have a far more experienced full-fledged Jedi Knight Obi-Wan down and ready to be killed in just a few seconds more.
YouTube video

Lord Knightfa11 Restricted

Re: AOTC Obi-Wan vs. TPM Obi-Wan w/Darkside

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Basically this thread should conclusively show how Maul is far far below any of the top tiers in the PT.\
As you can see, a pissed off Padawan Obi-Wan can break Mau's weapon and knock him down in under 30 seconds of a fight.
YouTube video

after rewatching this, i find it very hard to believe that people can say that pissed off obi wan took out maul.

Jbill311 The Blind Critic

I assume ( yes I KNOW) that obi wan was using ataru- as a padawan- which he never fully mastered- even as a Jedi master. He gets rid of maul fairly quickly- and if you consider that he is still a padawan, this is even more impressive. I know that Maul took sidious (or was at least a challenge) after days of chase, but Kenobi seems to win too quickly to chalk it up to skill (plot device anyone?) so I will have to side with:
TPM Obi >/= Maul
AOTC Obi > Maul
RoTS Obi (form III master) >> Maul

skywalker833 Senior Member

agree, I do.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Jbill311
I assume ( yes I KNOW) that obi wan was using ataru- as a padawan- which he never fully mastered- even as a Jedi master. He gets rid of maul fairly quickly- and if you consider that he is still a padawan, this is even more impressive. I know that Maul took sidious (or was at least a challenge) after days of chase, but Kenobi seems to win too quickly to chalk it up to skill (plot device anyone?) so I will have to side with:
TPM Obi >/= Maul
AOTC Obi > Maul
RoTS Obi (form III master) >> Maul

Really? Did you not see TPM, and the part where Maul beats Kenobi? You do know that it doesn't end with Kenobi cutting Maul's lightsaber getting sliced in half like in the above video, don't you? 😆
No, Maul killed the order's finest swordsman (Anoon Bondara) and took out Qui-Gon Jinn, who's saber skills were some of the greatest in the order, even though he wasn't at full strength. He also nearly killed Sidious. He is not "far far below any of the top tiers in the PT.".

That being said, this should be a close match. AOTC Kenobi knows TPM Kenobi extremely well and could possibly block his vicious blows like ROTS Kenobi blocked Anakin's blows. Also, TPM Kenobi, when enraged, grew weary pretty quickly. I say AOTC Kenobi takes it but will be giving ground and working his ass off until TPM Kenobi gets tired.

Blax_Hydralisk Restricted

Anoon Antonio Bandaras is weak sauce.

Lord Knightfa11 Restricted

dont turn this into another tpm obi wan vs maul rematch; i wont stand for that. you wanna do that, go to tpm maul vs rots obi wan thread.

AOTC kenobi takes this (no duh). He has more/equal mastery in ataru, and has learned another form; soresu. He also has more experience, and knows tpm kenobi's styles and powers like the back of his hand.

Blax_Hydralisk Restricted

Hey how about no u, fatass?

Besides if AotC Obi-Wan killed his past self, he'd create a time paradox and cease to exist. So either way TPM Obi-Wan wins.

Lord Knightfa11 Restricted

wow. Why so hostile so instantly?

Blax_Hydralisk Restricted

Because I'm secretly a Nazi. 131

Are you really fat though?

Pyron_Knight Eater of Worlds

No, Maul killed the order's finest swordsman (Anoon Bondara)

Big negative on that one good buddy. He probably wasn't even in the Top 3.

G-Canon > all. Unless TPM dark side Kenobi > Sidious, Maul was put on his ass in under 30 seconds by a Padawan.

Blax_Hydralisk Restricted

But he's second to none.

Obviously, we should translate this literally.

Obviously. 😐

Lord Knightfa11 Restricted

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Because I'm secretly a Nazi. 131
Are you really fat though?

no, im not fat. I actually have nice abs, but my pex are lacking 😬

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Big negative on that one good buddy. He probably wasn't even in the Top 3.
G-Canon > all. Unless TPM dark side Kenobi > Sidious, Maul was put on his ass in under 30 seconds by a Padawan.

Yes, you're 100% correct, G-Canon does > all. But NOTHING contradicts Anoon Bondara being the order's finest swordsman. TPM Kenobi > Sidious, huh? ABC much? Plus, Kenobi never defeated Maul in combat, watch TPM again, Maul defeats Kenobi in combat, then Kenobi catches him when he's being cocky as any Sith would be. He never defeated him while fighting him, he got beaten then, plus, Maul wasn't at full strength (as stated in The New Guide to Essential Characters). Maul got put on his ass? Lol, I seem to remember Kenobi getting tossed into a pit, just because the video you posted ends with Maul on his ass doesn't mean the duel ended that way. If I took the Luke vs. Vader duel from ESB and stopped at at the part where Luke nicks Vader's arm, would that mean Luke > Vader?

Use some common sense, please.

Lord Knightfa11 Restricted

omg enough with the "maul got cocky" arguement.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

I fail to see how Anoon being the number one swordsman in the order around TPM contradicts G Cannon. And Faunus has already covered this in 2 threads.

Pyron_Knight Eater of Worlds

You think this chump is above Yoda in dueling?
Oh and Dooku was still in the Jedi Order at this time...he's a better swordsman than Dooku?
Ridiculous hyperbole says this chump was the fienst swordsman nad nothing more.

If a padawan can break his weapoon in seconds, I can only imagine what Yoda could do.

Elite Hunter Senior Member

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
You think this chump is above Yoda in dueling?
Oh and Dooku was still in the Jedi Order at this time...he's a better swordsman than Dooku?
Ridiculous hyperbole says this chump was the fienst swordsman nad nothing more.
If a padawan can break his weapoon in seconds, I can only imagine what Yoda could do.

In the same novel where Anoon is called the best in by the narrator, Yoda's lightsaber skills is called the best( in almost the exact same words) on the council which Anoon was not on. Yoda's quote was narrowed down to the jedi council and Anoon's wasn't. Show me proof that this pre Tpm Dooku was on the same level of his AOTC self after having years to train with Sidious.

I love how everyone disregards the narrator's quote as hyperbole when they don't agree with it, yet the have no problem when the narrator supports their side. Got news for you Nikkolas, Anoon's lightsaber skills is further backed up by a quote in another book as well, so if there was only a single statement in one source than you might have a point but sadly you don't. I suggest you read some of the posts that Faunus,Gideon and myself have recently made in regards to Anoon's skills and in regards to Yoda's. Or go back a couple of months or so and read Advent's. Anoon's technical skill probably does surpass Yoda. You also have to keep in mind that Yoda rarely practiced or demonstrated his lightsaber technique.

A big part of your argument is based on the ABC argument and you failed to address DS's point on the Vader and Luke duel.

Faunus Boss

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Basically this thread should conclusively show how Maul is far far below any of the top tiers in the PT.

Then clearly, this thread has failed miserably. As Hunter said: myself and others have covered this on half a dozen other threads already.

And yeah, AotC Obi-Wan kicks TPM Obi's ass.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
If a padawan can break his weapoon in seconds, I can only imagine what Yoda could do.

Oh yeah, and guess what? Then that same padawan ended up in a pit a few seconds later, and it wasn't as quick as you make it out to be, it was 17 seconds of intense dueling against a Maul who wasn't at full strength (something you seemed to miss the first time around). And again, I could say the same, that if ESB Luke could hit Vader on the arm, I can only imagine what (insert the name of any Jedi here) would do to him. But that logic doesn't work, because one mistake doesn't mean everything.