Cloud can win this, but only with high end materia, or very specific combos. And of course, he has to hit Gouki with most of his attacks. Summons are among the only things Gouki can't outright counter with speed or sheer durability.
Time stop or haste would greatly improve his chances, assuming he can connect with time stop or that haste upgrades his speed to be able to match Gouki's.
But.......then there's the Ashura Senkuu......😬 Instant dodge on most of Cloud's tactics and of course, the SGS, which can be setup from it. Coupled with the fact that Cloud can't fight Gouki in H2H, and minus said high end materia, Gouki takes a majority.
Yeah. Instead you overrate everything you like until it's literally ****ing pointless to bother debating with you. no expression
I don't overrate anything blax. Well, actually, I do kind of overrate some Darkstalkers and WoW characters so they wouldn't die upon simply seeing Sephiroth, but other than that I'm completely objective. 🙂
Originally posted by Terryc250
I'm still waiting on the proof that these "feats" are even canon on Gouki's part..
Terry, go to Google type in "Street Fighter Canon Guide" and read up about Gouki and see if his "feats" of mountain destroying and island sinking are "false".
Read it and learn, Gouki would completely and utterly annihilate Cloud with the ease of a rag doll. The mere fact that Gouki can destroy a whole mountain, something that even Sephiroth himself has not shown to be able to do (although we do not know the full power of Sephiroth yet) pretty much will put the fact that Gouki would destroy Cloud.
Btw, Gouki destroyed this mountain in his completely underpowered training form (So yes, we do not also know the full potential of Gouki storyline wise either as well).
Gouki has Ashura Warp, although not a true teleport, like say, what M. Bison does, at least from what I can tell from in-game facts and all, it would still be faster then the majority of speed out there, unless your moving at like FTL speed.
Gouki's durability should not be in question, the guy was training deep under the ocean for crying out loud, and we all know what deep ocean water pressure would do to a human being.
Didn't Cloud need a submarine to go under water in VII? That's another notion of Gouki's durability over Cloud.
I like Cloud, love his character and storyline, however, he loses out on here, and no offense, summons are an absolute joke man, considering even the non-super elites where able to go on and fight someone as powerful as Bahamut in FFVII.
So how could Gouki, someone who is leagues stronger, better, far more skillful then Cloud would have any difficulty with a summon? If Gouki can already sink islands with his fist...one single smack from his fist to Bahamut would break him into multiple pieces.
Cloud's only hope would be the fact that Gouki see's him as an inferior opponent and thus choses to let him live instead of outright blowing him out of the water.
However, it is within Gouki's nature to not truly fight opponents who are vastly inferior to himself, one such as Cloud.
If you did that to Ryu, he would simply run foward faster then bullet time speed, dodge them with ease, and own you after.
stop overrating.
As for Gouki fighting Cloud, I'm just wondering how gouki is going to sink islands with his hands and feet hacked off 😬
ashura senkuu has lag time. pulling it off in the middle of a fight with someone as fast as cloud is next to impossible. check out his SFA2 ending which is about the only time we see him teleporting and it takes him a while to do it. it wasn't instantaneous. so that leaves speed out.
sure, gouki is toptier when it comes to h2h, but this isn't h2h. this is one guy against a person who can parry bullets with a 6-foot sword. the sword fighting speed we're talking about for Cloud is insane. on top of all that if you people are inclined to bring up teleportation and SGS, I can bring up Omnislash FFAC version where he teleports sixways and becomes intangible. i'd love to see Akuma punch that.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22Omnislash V. 5 is not intengible nor is it teleportation. I am too tired to sort out the rest of your post lolz.
wtf? when did ryu become Neo. dude, he can dodge bullets but nowhere did it say that:
-he can do it easily
-he can move bullettime ( 😆 )
-or in fact if he actually ever has.stop overrating.
As for Gouki fighting Cloud, I'm just wondering how gouki is going to sink islands with his hands and feet hacked off 😬
ashura senkuu has lag time. pulling it off in the middle of a fight with someone as fast as cloud is next to impossible. check out his SFA2 ending which is about the only time we see him teleporting and it takes him a while to do it. it wasn't instantaneous. so that leaves speed out.
sure, gouki is toptier when it comes to h2h, but this isn't h2h. this is one guy against a person who can parry bullets with a 6-foot sword. the sword fighting speed we're talking about for Cloud is insane. on top of all that if you people are inclined to bring up teleportation and SGS, I can bring up Omnislash FFAC version where he teleports sixways and becomes intangible. i'd love to see Akuma punch that.~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
wtf? when did ryu become Neo. dude, he can dodge bullets but nowhere did it say that:
-he can do it easily
-he can move bullettime ( 😆 )
-or in fact if he actually ever has.stop overrating.
As for Gouki fighting Cloud, I'm just wondering how gouki is going to sink islands with his hands and feet hacked off 😬
ashura senkuu has lag time. pulling it off in the middle of a fight with someone as fast as cloud is next to impossible. check out his SFA2 ending which is about the only time we see him teleporting and it takes him a while to do it. it wasn't instantaneous. so that leaves speed out.
sure, gouki is toptier when it comes to h2h, but this isn't h2h. this is one guy against a person who can parry bullets with a 6-foot sword. the sword fighting speed we're talking about for Cloud is insane. on top of all that if you people are inclined to bring up teleportation and SGS, I can bring up Omnislash FFAC version where he teleports sixways and becomes intangible. i'd love to see Akuma punch that.~Sado
Using In-Game Wise is a complete joke, considering it's animated so that the normal human eye can see and react to it in the game to counter it.
How stupid would it be if Gouki's Ashura Warp was made to be less then half a second? Or how about Bison's Teleport which is actually Instantaneously yet in-game wise, you can see it happen in order to punish it?
Ashura Warp>>>>Cloud's speed. Lastly, you didn't read my post correctly, I even stated that most likely Gouki's ashura warp would not be instantaneous however it's much faster then anything Cloud has ever done pertaining to speed.
Gouki would be easily destroy things such as swords like a whim. Charlie was seen wiping out the whole facility of Shadowloo/law whatever you want to call it with basic blows and his special attacks. These are steel structure facilities, and well...as powerful as Charlie is, he's nowhere near in league with someone like Gouki.
Ryu and Ken can smash over steel, boulders, etc etc, with simple basic blows...and these two shoto's are vastly inferior to Gouki...so what can swords do Gouki?
Steel<<<<<Gouki's Fist.
Swords mean nothing up against a body that can sustain under water pressure and is capable of sinking islands and mountains.
Can Cloud's sword cut through an entire mountain??? No. Can Cloud's body sustain deep under water pressure? No.
If you've ever noticed, Cloud's special attacks take a moment for them to come out (As seen within AC which is a canon visual of how the FF VII cast would attack, and cast their magic/attacks). The SF Cast's moves are near instant casting. While Cloud was "trying" to do Omnislash, Gouki would have ashura warped in and gave him a Shungokusatu and it's ggpo.
You completely underestimate Gouki, this is a guy who came into the SFIII scene and owned a God...a.k.a. Gill with a Shungokusatsu, lucky for Gill he can auto-revive...something that Cloud can't do.
Gouki is on the same lvl as Ingrid in the SF World...guess who Ingrid is? She's a Goddess who can hop across clouds for fun, not to mention she can time travel and levitate huge items (The Thai Monument for example) and taking off with it.
Basically put, Gouki is a human being who is super-ridiculous to the point in which he's able to contend with God's/Goddesses. I swear after SFIII I wouldn't even be surprised if he's able to blow up a planet (of course sarcasm on the last part, but Gouki is becoming stupidly strong by the time SFIII is around).
I could go on, and on, however why bother. Gouki utilizing half his abilities already completely outclasses Cloud by a vast, vast, vast, vast margin.