Gouki vs. Cloud

Started by kenshirou21 pages
kenshirou Kaze no Soldier

cloud able to levitate, very fast, has an omnislash, and able slash bahamut down to the city at first round battle(second round he got help from his friends. remember when he leap with his friends help?). gouki can't win this. even he can split ayers rock in half, sunk an island, but his speed is doubtful. while cloud can levitate, gouki can do only squat. don't underestimate cloud's power. maybe his power wasn't as strong as gouki, but he still able to cut the giant steel effortlessly.

cloud would slash him to pieces with omni slash V5 and left only gouki's forehead.

Darkstorm Zero Master of all Decepticons
Originally posted by Sado22
didn't it say that the island "disappeared"? i'm still skeptical about it actually sinking.

Because there is no other reason for it to dissapear... Anyways, it's irrelevant, the island is gone thenks to Gouki's power, wether it sunk, outright was destroyed, or simply vanished. I'm inclined to beleive the 1st option, because it was exploding... And having him outright destroy it is overhyping the feat rediculously...

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by kenshirou
cloud able to levitate, very fast, has an omnislash, and able slash bahamut down to the city at first round battle(second round he got help from his friends. remember when he leap with his friends help?). gouki can't win this. even he can split ayers rock in half, sunk an island, but his speed is doubtful. while cloud can levitate, gouki can do only squat. don't underestimate cloud's power. maybe his power wasn't as strong as gouki, but he still able to cut the giant steel effortlessly.

cloud would slash him to pieces with omni slash V5 and left only gouki's forehead.


Are you saying that Gouki is unable to take on a Bahamut, out of all things?

Jedah Materia Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Honestly, if Akuma is breakin mountains and battle ships in single strikes, don't really see what's stoppin the dude from just breakin Cloud's sword/swords if he tries cuttin'im wit it. Or just vape'im wit a Messatsu Gou Hadou, I mean Cloud almost died when he got shot by that one Sephiroth lookin guy in AC. So I don't see huge chances in Cloud survivin Akuma's projectiles. Like ALL Akuma's moves are SUPPOSE to kill after just one use.

If it's any consolation to the FF7 fans, if Cloud had materia he could potentially kill Akuma in one move. But Cloud just by his self gets his ass beat like Rodney King.

Sado22 Restricted

Because there is no other reason for it to dissapear... Anyways, it's irrelevant, the island is gone thenks to Gouki's power, wether it sunk, outright was destroyed, or simply vanished. I'm inclined to beleive the 1st option, because it was exploding... And having him outright destroy it is overhyping the feat rediculously...

i know what you mean. just pointing it out.
IMO, i think he just destroyed the island. that makes it less ridiculous than crumbling the techtonic plates etc.

Honestly, if Akuma is breakin mountains and battle ships in single strikes, don't really see what's stoppin the dude from just breakin Cloud's sword/swords if he tries cuttin'im wit it. Or just vape'im wit a Messatsu Gou Hadou, I mean Cloud almost died when he got shot by that one Sephiroth lookin guy in AC. So I don't see huge chances in Cloud survivin Akuma's projectiles. Like ALL Akuma's moves are SUPPOSE to kill after just one use.

If it's any consolation to the FF7 fans, if Cloud had materia he could potentially kill Akuma in one move. But Cloud just by his self gets his ass beat like Rodney King.


cloud was parrying bullets at point blank range in FFAC. in fact, two guys were shooting at him simultaneously and he kept parrying them. i'm not even saying dodging...i'm talking about parrying. i doubt akuma can hit him with gou-hadoukens. and i also doubt gouki'd want to come close to a guy who weilds his 6foot sword faster than bullets.

akuma gets his arms and legs hacked off. now if only someone would kill wolverine so we can finally be rid of two of the most overrated pieces of sh!t in this solar system.

~Sado
P.S. nothing personal darko. 😄

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Gouki can jump from the bottom of the ocean to above the surface while kicking a submarine in half, he carried it over the surface basically. Akuma can move faster than cloud.

Misogi is instant, and will one hit Cloud, it is the same attack Gouki used to destroy the island in his ending, only more focused.

Classic NES Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Sado22
didn't it say that the island "disappeared"? i'm still skeptical about it actually sinking.

I'm pretty sure the only way an island could "disappear" is if it were sunked. Unless your claiming the island didn't disappear? Which would be strange since Gouki doesn't reside there anymore.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
cloud was parrying bullets at point blank range in FFAC. in fact, two guys were shooting at him simultaneously and he kept parrying them. i'm not even saying dodging...i'm talking about parrying. i doubt akuma can hit him with gou-hadoukens. and i also doubt gouki'd want to come close to a guy who weilds his 6foot sword faster than bullets.

Considering the bullets in that movie moved slow enough to be seen and swatted at (yes, swatted at, I just watched that movie on DVD again this weekend) without use of any effects to indicate changes in perception of speed that doesn't really tell me anything that he's faster than Gouki. At all. Besides, Cloud's been shown to hack through a fifty foot section of pipe in two instantly, but how does that pertain to something like a gou-hadouken? They're two entirely different things. As said before Gouki rips through steel.
Originally posted by Sado22
akuma gets his arms and legs hacked off. now if only someone would kill wolverine so we can finally be rid of two of the most overrated pieces of sh!t in this solar system.

Jesus Christ...come back and debate when you're not so bloody biased, will you.

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier
Considering the bullets in that movie moved slow enough to be seen and swatted at (yes, swatted at, I just watched that movie on DVD again this weekend) without use of any effects to indicate changes in perception of speed that doesn't really tell me anything that he's faster than Gouki. At all. Besides, Cloud's been shown to hack through a fifty foot section of pipe in two instantly, but how does that pertain to something like a gou-hadouken? They're two entirely different things. As said before Gouki rips through steel.

my... cloud's really underestimated here. both bullets and gou hadouken are projectile type attacks. it has the same type of attack. and gou hadouken wasn't as fast as bullets (don't know about it's power). cloud swing a six combined sword with one hand and parry those bullets. that's an impressive speed. I don't see how would gou hadouken hit cloud.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
my... cloud's really underestimated here. both bullets and gou hadouken are projectile type attacks. it has the same type of attack. and gou hadouken wasn't as fast as bullets (don't know about it's power). cloud swing a six combined sword with one hand and parry those bullets. that's an impressive speed. I don't see how would gou hadouken hit cloud.
Maybe not. But a Misogi would, and would kill him.

Darkstorm Zero Master of all Decepticons

*Enters super fanboy mode*

Messatsu Gou Hadou is a huge beam attack thats instantaneous!

What drugs are people on these days...

*Exits super fanboy mode*

j/k

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Well it would kill Cloud. And easily.

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier
Are you saying that Gouki is unable to take on a Bahamut, out of all things?

well, i never saw gouki fly. and how could he use kongou kokuretsuzan while jumping? if he could do it, maybe he can win. otherwise, I hate to say this but... no. powerwise : I never doubt gouki's power. but if you want gouki vs bahamut sin, think again. bahamut is a giant, can fly and has great firepower. I wonder how gouki would fight bahamut while bahamut shot him from air? if you say shin gouki, then the story would be different.

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier

and even if he able to use kongou kokuretsuzan while jumping, I don't think he can jump that high.

Sado22 Restricted

Considering the bullets in that movie moved slow enough to be seen and swatted at (yes, swatted at, I just watched that movie on DVD again this weekend)

so now because the bullets were seen, they are no longer applicable? what kind of logic is this anyway. the bullets used were regular were charged with materia too (the silverhairedfags shooting at cloud were shown with the materia in their arms). they were swatted? call it what you want, i call it being parried. either way, you're missing the point. if a man can swing a 6foot sword and "swat" bullets with it, then he's pretty damn fast. fast enough to dodge giant fireballs no less.

without use of any effects to indicate changes in perception of speed that doesn't really tell me anything that he's faster than Gouki.

and what's the greatest speed feat of gouki do you have in mind, DarkC?

Besides, Cloud's been shown to hack through a fifty foot section of pipe in two instantly, but how does that pertain to something like a gou-hadouken?

i said he'd hack off Gouki, not his gou-hadoukens. besides, if he can go right through a hugeass ball of flames that the dragon shot at him, what makes you say he can't do the same to a gou-hadouken. on top of that, he's powerful enough to smack the dragon that was 50 times his size and he sent it crashing to earth.

They're two entirely different things. As said before Gouki rips through steel.

like i said above.

Jesus Christ...come back and debate when you're not so bloody biased, will you.

so now i'm biased because i don't agree with you? yes i don't like gouki. that's been established before you even showed up here. but that never stopped me from admitting that gouki one tough SOB and i've voted for gouki winning in a number of threads.
i hate gouki as much as ClassicNES hates Ryo. and that's saying a lot. and i think he's overrated as well. but in a fight between him and terry bogard, i was routing for gouki. in fact, i had him beat terry on my own site.

biased? i don't think so. stop throwing that word around needlessly.

*Enters super fanboy mode*
Messatsu Gou Hadou is a huge beam attack thats instantaneous!
What drugs are people on these days...
*Exits super fanboy mode*
j/k

*takes materia and hacks off DS into tiny little peices and mails them to other SFfanboys*

~Sado

Jedah Materia Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Sado22
cloud was parrying bullets at point blank range in FFAC. in fact, two guys were shooting at him simultaneously and he kept parrying them. i'm not even saying dodging...i'm talking about parrying.
So...
Dude has got like 7 GIANT swords. Parryin bullets aint a big deal, not when you got a guy splittin Ayers Rock wit one hand. Lol, you see what happened when he didn't parry....damn near died.😆

Originally posted by Sado22
i doubt akuma can hit him with gou-hadoukens.
Lol, straight denial, blockin tiny bullets is a whole lot easier then blockin body vaporizing chi blast...Cloud and his blade are reduced to ashes.

Originally posted by Sado22
and i also doubt gouki'd want to come close to a guy who weilds his 6foot sword faster than bullets.
You mean cloud wouldn't wanna come close to a guy who could rip his body apart wit a single punch...or vape'im wit a fireball.

Originally posted by Sado22
akuma gets his arms and legs hacked off. now if only someone would kill wolverine so we can finally be rid of two of the most overrated pieces of sh!t in this solar system.
As soon as Cloud strikes wit his sword, Akuma grabs it and breaks it over his knee, talks down to him for not relying solely upon his fist and snaps his neck like an early 90's action movie.

Kirikaze Fuuma Kaze no Soldier
Lol, straight denial, blockin tiny bullets is a whole lot easier then blockin body vaporizing chi blast...Cloud and his blade are reduced to ashes.

reduced to ashes? think again dude. cloud didn't vaporize when he sucked into bahamut's giant fireball. so, that's no problem if it's against gouki's gou hadouken. besides, gou hadouken, although fast, but it's speed is nowhere near bullet's speed.

As soon as Cloud strikes wit his sword, Akuma grabs it and breaks it over his knee, talks down to him for not relying solely upon his fist and snaps his neck like an early 90's action movie.

that's if he can catch it. cloud's swing is fast. now ay gouki would catch it. cloud parry a bullet with a 6 combined sword. would gouki catch such a fast swing? i guess not.

Jedah Materia Saikyo Pharaoh Sol Radguy

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
reduced to ashes? think again dude. cloud didn't vaporize when he sucked into bahamut's giant fireball.
Who did Bahamut's fire ball kill? Some chumps? Anyone important, Anyone capable of fighting back? Instead of thinkin Cloud is so strong that he can just jump through blast, all evidence points to Bahamuts fire ball just bein weak.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
so, that's no problem if it's against gouki's gou hadouken.
Yet and still Cloud can be killed by regular bullets and Akuma can survive deep sea pressure that is almost 10 times more deadlier and uses more pressure than a bullets hitting your body.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
besides, gou hadouken, although fast, but it's speed is nowhere near bullet's speed.
how do you know that?

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
that's if he can catch it. cloud's swing is fast. now ay gouki would catch it. cloud parry a bullet with a 6 combined sword. would gouki catch such a fast swing? i guess not.
Unless cloud could replicate a force that resembles being so deep in the ocean you would need a sub to stop from imploding, his blade/blades wont do'im much good. Cloud can never swing anything wit that much force, its over for'im.

Sado22 Restricted

So...Dude has got like 7 GIANT swords. Parryin bullets aint a big deal, not when you got a guy splittin Ayers Rock wit one hand. Lol, you see what happened when he didn't parry....damn near died.

first, he has six swords. and when he was parrying he was using two of them and the most impressive bit where they were shooting at him up close, he was using only one sword. and nice of you to point out the fact that he can spin GIANT SWORDS so fast that he can parry bullets with them. which is what we're saying all along.

Lol, straight denial, blockin tiny bullets is a whole lot easier then blockin body vaporizing chi blast...Cloud and his blade are reduced to ashes.

body vaporizing? when did akuma vaporize somebody? when did capcom even state that he CAN vaporize someone?

You mean cloud wouldn't wanna come close to a guy who could rip his body apart wit a single punch...or vape'im wit a fireball.

again...who did he rip apart with one punch?

As soon as Cloud strikes wit his sword, Akuma grabs it and breaks it over his knee, talks down to him for not relying solely upon his fist and snaps his neck like an early 90's action movie.

you're entitled to an opinion. i say, that long before akuma even thinks about it his arms go flying off, then his legs and then his neck.
akuma=overrated no more

Who did Bahamut's fire ball kill? Some chumps? Anyone important, Anyone capable of fighting back? Instead of thinkin Cloud is so strong that he can just jump through blast, all evidence points to Bahamuts fire ball just bein weak.

you see, whats wrong with your argument is this:
-akuma hasn't killed ANYBODY with his gou-hadoukens. not even chumps.
-has his gou-hadouken been shown to vaporize somebody. even something. no.

hence your reasoning is flawed. saying the bahamut's fireball is weak based on the fact that he just killed chumps with it is something i can counter by saying that akuma has never even be shown to kill a chump with his gou-hadoukens. or even messatsu-hadoukens.

Unless cloud could replicate a force that resembles being so deep in the ocean you would need a sub to stop from imploding, his blade/blades wont do'im much good. Cloud can never swing anything wit that much force, its over for'im

that has nothing to do with being hacked off. he can resist excess pressure? good for him. what we're talking about is being cut off. now unless you have proof that gouki is Kenshiro or goku, we all know that he isn't immune to swords and being cut.
nuff said.

how do you know that?

he knows because the gou-hadouken's speed is never stated. heck, its power is actually considered weaker to ryu's for pete's sake. and ryu's hadouken is as strong as a well landed kick....no one's incinerating anybody, so let go of the dream.

~Sado
P.S. according to Saiki and Tiamat, the beam hadoukens are just for the MvC games. they aren't canon.

DarkC -KMC THREAD KILLER-

Originally posted by Sado22
so now because the bullets were seen, they are no longer applicable? what kind of logic is this anyway. the bullets used were regular were charged with materia too (the silverhairedfags shooting at cloud were shown with the materia in their arms). they were swatted? call it what you want, i call it being parried. either way, you're missing the point. if a man can swing a 6foot sword and "swat" bullets with it, then he's pretty damn fast. fast enough to dodge giant fireballs no less.

Dress it up how you like. The bullets were slow enough to be seen in flight in terms of "real life" time.

So if it's a "bullet" does that mean it automatically travels at a constant speed, has a constant range? No, it doesn't. You are in no position to lecture someone else on logic, based on this reasoning of yours.

Originally posted by Sado22
and what's the greatest speed feat of gouki do you have in mind, DarkC?

Misogi (completely instantaneous).
Originally posted by Sado22
i said he'd hack off Gouki, not his gou-hadoukens.

Null point. Gouki is more durable than steel.
Originally posted by Sado22
besides, if he can go right through a hugeass ball of flames that the dragon shot at him, what makes you say he can't do the same to a gou-hadouken.

Because Gouhadouken and Bahamut flame are two different things?
Originally posted by Sado22
on top of that, he's powerful enough to smack the dragon that was 50 times his size and he sent it crashing to earth.

Gouki sinks an island with one punch and splits a mountain in half.

Originally posted by Sado22
so now i'm biased because i don't agree with you?

No, it's because of this:
yes i don't like gouki.

If you don't have similar like/hate for contending characters then you're biased, no argument. Me, I am not biased; Gouki is my favourite SF character lore wise, Cloud is my second favourite in the FF series (Sephiroth, predictably, is first), I have the FFAC final fight favourited on YouTube, etc, etc.
Originally posted by Sado22
that's been established before you even showed up here. but that never stopped me from admitting that gouki one tough SOB and i've voted for gouki winning in a number of threads.

That doesn't make you unbiased at all. It has to do with personal preferences, Sado. And as you admitted above and below, you hate Gouki.
Originally posted by Sado22
i hate gouki as much as ClassicNES hates Ryo. and that's saying a lot. and i think he's overrated as well. but in a fight between him and terry bogard, i was routing for gouki. in fact, i had him beat terry [b]on my own site.[/b]

...and so?
Originally posted by Sado22
biased? i don't think so. stop throwing that word around needlessly.

Um, yes you factually are biased, you admitted inadvertently to it yourself just now.