Originally posted by Erik-LensherrWell if you can prove the characters that the preretcon Beyonder was over at the time in 85 have become more powerful since that story you have a point but if you cant you dont. 🙂
What I find funny is people using feats that happened after the retcon to make the Beyonder more powerfull.If anything, in order to debate a retconned character you've got to at least use feats that have happened only before the retcon.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
What I find funny is people using feats that happened after the retcon to make the Beyonder more powerfull.If anything, in order to debate a retconned character you've got to at least use feats that have happened only before the retcon.
FINALLY. Someone recognizes the rediculousness of using feats after a retcon to boos tthe power of the preretcton. If We are arguing preretcon, that would mean no feat performed by anyone AFTER the retcon should be counted or used becuz we are arguing pre retconn.
Originally posted by Erik-LensherrI dont think you get it. The power levels of the characters havent changed since 1985. Prove the Lt was less powerful back then than he is now.
You really don't get it, do you ?It doesn't matter if the character did, or did not become more powerfull post-retcon. What matters is that they haven't been revealed to be as powerfull as they are now.
Originally posted by fangirl101FINALLY. Someone recognizes the rediculousness of using feats after a retcon to boostt he power of the preretcton. If We are arguing preretcon, that would mean no feat performed by anyone AFTER the retcon should be counted or used becuz we are arguing pre retconn.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think you get it. The power levels of the characters havent changed since 1985. Prove the Lt was less powerful back then than he is now.
He hadn't held two megaverses in his hand. So if we would argue preretcon, then we must assume that he has NEVER held two megaverses, And never did ANYTHING after the retcon. That would mean we would have to go only by his feats up until that point. Case rested. You can't win this argument. We MUST assume that he is only as powerful as he was depicted up until that point. Thus rendering the classic beyonder FAR less powerful than poeple try to make him out to be.
Originally posted by fangirl101If the Beyonder wasnt as powerful as people claim mainly with feats,writers statements,etc. then he wouldnt have to be retconned but he was due to how crazy powerful he was.
He hadn't held two megaverses in his hand. So if we would argue preretcon, then we must assume that he has NEVER held two megaverses, And never did ANYTHING after the retcon. That would mean we would have to go only by his feats up until that point. Case rested. You can't win this argument. We MUST assume that he is only as powerful as he was depicted up until that point. Thus rendering the classic beyonder FAR less powerful than poeple try to make him out to be.
The guy weakened himself and still dominated the entire marvel universe. Wow.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If the Beyonder wasnt as powerful as people claim mainly with feats,writers statements,etc. then he wouldnt have to be retconned but he was due to how crazy powerful he was.The guy weakened himself and still dominated the entire marvel universe. Wow.
mxy could have done the same. Remember up until that point, the LT hadn't done much. Mxy would have done the exact same, and then some, becuz he's smarter than the classic beyonder.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already made my points and those who dont prove that the Lt and such havent become more powerful since 1985 then you must concede. Otherwise nothing has changed except the retcon.
You cannot use hindsight of someoen to argue what they might have been capable of in arguing a case. You can't use ANYTHING that the LT has done after the retcon if arguing for the beyonder in classic mode. You must assume that the LT has done only the things he's done up until the retcon.
Originally posted by fangirl101Mxy isnt smarter than the classic Beyonder. he was oneshotted by Gog for one. He was depowered and tortured by Prime and Annataz after being abducted from his very dimension. Really where do you come up wit this stuff? What has he done that makes you feel hes uber smart?
mxy could have done the same. Remember up until that point, the LT hadn't done much. Mxy would have done the exact same, and then some, becuz he's smarter than the classic beyonder.
Originally posted by quanchi112I dont think you get it.
The power levels of the characters havent changed since 1985.
Prove the Lt was less powerful back then than he is now.
I challenge anyone to prove Marvel making an official statement saying so.
I challenge anyone to prove Marvel making it official on panel.
I challenge anyone to prove any official bio even alluding to it being a possibility.
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I think ignorance (no offense) concerning Marvel's cosmology is confusing some,
the Prime Multiverse of 85'
is virtually the same exact Multiverse that houses the 616 reality today.
The cosmic hierarchy,
is practically the same NOW, as was in 1985.
There are NO Eternity/Infinity's or any cosmic hierarchy outside the Prime Multiverse today,
and there are no conceptual embodiments either,
with the exception of the two Brothers.
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Outside the prime Multiverse there are an infinite amount of MultiverseS,
they are made up of time/space just like the prime Multiverse,
each Universe withIn each Multiverse contains a 616 Earth-like planet,
and ... that's it.
Which basically means to uber powers they're inconsequential,
since it's just un-conscious time/space,
and that's a simplicity to deal with to an uber reality warper.
Originally posted by fangirl101You can't use ANYTHING that the LT has done after the retcon if arguing for the beyonder in classic mode. You must assume that the LT has done only the things he's done up until the retcon.
Only the very few anomalies have been above,
those are ... classic Owen/Beyonder and Protege ... Scathan. glare
And three of those don't exist anymore, so ... meh.
Originally posted by Mr Master
LT was the most powerful entity then, as he is now.Only the very few anomalies have been above,
those are ... classic Owen/Beyonder and Protege/Scathan.And three of those don't exist anymore, so ... meh.
Doesn't matter if he was the most powerful then and now. His feats have changed from then and now. And so has everyone elses. Eternity probably has better feats now than the Lt did then. You can't use any feats of the LT after the retcon and you are using the Preretconned beyonder.