Originally posted by starlock
i thought this was Spectre not fully backed by the source and its host is corrigan, can we at least pay attention to the thread starter please....or does it not matter? if not fine spectre is spectre no matter who is the host? i am not a master of all things spectre and i have read allot of his stuff, but...the thread starter did say not fully backed by the source though....and if DC universe # 0 is any indication...i think the host does matter in some way?
I like posters who read the thread.
Originally posted by Bentley
I like posters who read the thread.
Thanks...though to be honest...people enjoy arguing and one-uping eachother more than having a fun debate...... 😕
i was having a fun debate with Fangirl101 and then the thread went to hell, what can you say, it seemed you were interested in using the thread for info and getting a good idea where and how a corrigan/not fully backed spectre would fare....since DC universe #0 i have also had questions concerning where they are going with him and what his role in final crisis would be
Sorry if your initial idea does not help you or entertain you, but i hope you get somthing out of it 👆
Originally posted by AstnerYes it did seem he wasnt never meant to handle such power.
I think he's using the Marvel vs DC (non-canon) series as his main argument.When Spectre merged with the Source he was freaked out by the power.
Spectre is far from the top in the DC universe. Surpassed by the likes of Michael, Lucifer, 5D-imps etc.
Originally posted by fangirl101The ig doesnt work in the dcu remember. The ig has been shown to erase beings and what not with a mere thought. When has the Spectre ever done this to a powerhouse being?
Depowering New Earth Mxy
over coming the combined effects of the Ig,un, cosmic cube, oan battery, spear of destiny, and more.
merging to become god
Originally posted by quanchi112
See I always though the geb was equal to that of the presence. I could be wrong though.
Then again, YHWH stated in lucifer 75 that he wasn't supreme.
Originally posted by AstnerVery confusing it seems.
Back in the day the YHWH from Vertigo was two beings. the Great Darkness (GEB) and the Ultimate Light. These two merged and formed the YHWH of today.
GEB + UL = YHWH
GEB = UL
YHWH - UL = GEB
YHWH > GEBThen again, YHWH stated in lucifer 75 that he wasn't supreme.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
No, the "Ultimate Light" is just another name for The Presence, aka YHWH. He said he was "crafted by forces external to himself", which can be interpreted many ways
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I've always seen those force by which he was shaped as being the Great Evil Beast and 'Ultimate Light'.
"The Light and Shade are still Everywhere about us ... only the conflict betweem them has been altered."
"Nothing has happened , everything has happened . Everything looks the same but the feeling is different."
And I think this actually makes sense and the Presence really is Yahweh, who was formed when Light and Darkness merged, creating a supreme character containing both, Good and Evil. Those external forces shaped him, representing a ballance betwen both of them.
Originally posted by Astner
Back in the day the YHWH from Vertigo was two beings. the Great Darkness (GEB) and the Ultimate Light. These two merged and formed the YHWH of today.
GEB + UL = YHWH
GEB = UL
YHWH - UL = GEB
YHWH > GEBThen again, YHWH stated in lucifer 75 that he wasn't supreme.
EH what?? 😕 The Presence/YHWH/God was never 2 beings and they never merged and formed the YHWH of today. They gave a piece of each other to the other in order for there exact opposites to see things differently and more sharply. The Beast left Heaven and returned beyond Hell becoming known as the Shadow Lands.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
And I think this actually makes sense and the Presence really is Yahweh, who was formed when Light and Darkness merged, creating a supreme character containing both, Good and Evil. Those external forces shaped him, representing a ballance betwen both of them.
Okay, I'm going to make an exception in this case and despite being on ignore, reply to your messages.
Your interptretion makes no sense.
Because you say so ?
YHWH said that Lucifer was aware of these external forces, and that they are existant.
Lucifer is aware of the Great Evil Beast.
And Yahweh never said that they are existent, just that he was 'shaped' by them.
They were most likely refering to the authors.
Useless assumption. This wasn't even hinted.
Originally posted by fangirl101Oh yeah,
and the spectre has easily overcome
the combined might of the ig, the un, a cosmic cube,
the oan battery, the spear of destiny, etc.
And according to that garbage of an arc,
any Marvel Celestial Guardian can erase the DC reality with the flick of a switch.
Or any Marvel Omniversal buster can wipe out DC as well.
Sweet. ... (I can live with that) ... 😎
Originally posted by fangirl101the lt couldn't kill korvak. who was less than universal.
he ran a pocket universe of sorts.
I do remember an arc,
where the LT (with a thought) ripped an entire Universe from the Multiverse,
sealed it in an impenetrable barrier (yes, Korvac couldn't get out either)
and left it that way to it's fate.
That was back in 1982 anyway.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Okay, I'm going to make an exception in this case and despite being on ignore, reply to your messages.
Because you say so ?
Lucifer is aware of the Great Evil Beast.
"True, I am eternal and infinte. But even I was shaped by forces external to me."
The first part is merely "boost", if you will. Why did he say that he was eternal and infinte? Because he was about to explain that there are forces external to him. Meaning greater forces. If YHWH is a sum of the Light and the Darkness, then they shouldn't be greater than he is. Should they?
And Yahweh never said that they are existent, just that he was 'shaped' by them.
Useless assumption. This wasn't even hinted.
Originally posted by Endless MikeThe Presence, aka YHWH.
He said he was "crafted by forces external to himself",
which can be interpreted many ways
Originally posted by AstnerThey were most likely refering to the authors.
Imo, the Presence (DC) and THOTI (Marvel) - both equals,
are the greatest current powers to have been directly involved
withIN stories in their respective companies based on a completely fictional context.
Now,
the true Supreme Beings of both companies,
are actually the "writer/artist" representative avatars that have appeared as such on panel.
(who have been illustrated/depicted in a Non-fictional context, not completely at-least)
In DC, I've personally seen Carlin and Morrison (thanx Galan)
In Marvel, we've seen the "Kirbiesk" Oaa/god, associated with a "collaborator."
These entities literally communicated with their artwork as if they were exactly that, ARTWORK!
nothing more than drawings made up on a piece of paper.
So yea,
it's obvious that that DC "god" is "shaped by external forces"
for the Marvel "god" is also shaped by outside forces.
Those forces are Minds and Hands people,
the minds of Writers, and the hands of Artists.
(as presented On Panel concerning the true "Gods" of Marvel and DC)
I'm not on your ignore list. You said the same thing before and a moderator corrected you in the same thread.
And if I were you wouldn't be able to read or quote my replies.
First of all, you are. And second of all, there is an option so that even if somebody is on your ignore list you can read their posts.
This is exactly why you should read the entire post before quoting, so that you get a sense of what you quote. I explained my case in the same reply.
Please point me to where you said something in that post that contradicted what I said.
Now.
Lets take a look at this."True, I am eternal and infinte. But even I was shaped by forces external to me."
The first part is merely "boost", if you will. Why did he say that he was eternal and infinte? Because he was about to explain that there are forces external to him. Meaning greater forces. If YHWH is a sum of the Light and the Darkness, then they shouldn't be greater than he is. Should they?
You said that Yahweh told Lucifer that the aformentioned knew who those forces were, insinuating that this contradicts my theory. So I showed to you that Lucifer is aware of GEB's existence. What you just posted has nothing to do with that.
But let's move on anyway ..
He didn't say that there are forces external to him, nor that they are more powerfull than him. All that he said is that he was shaped by forces external to him.
Same scan. "You know what they are." Refering to the present event. If they were of the past he would say "You know what they were."
So ? Since he is those two merged into one, the present tense being used is supposed to show what ?
The most intelligent beings in fictions should have some awareness of their own position, should they not?
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What the hell ?
As I said, there is nothing to suggest that he was talking about the writers.
And despite the fact that you have brought absolutley no evidence to support that he was reffering to the writers, I'm still going to prove it wrong. Yahweh said that those forces 'shaped' him not that they are shaping him, so he is not reffering to the writers.
