Who can beat the Spectre?

all of that when it doesn't matter. we know that the writers of both companies generally think that omniverse is a term that all mediums share. we also know that it doesn't matter how much shit the book is full of, and there are many books full of shit, the book is cannon and i merely stated the feat to which the spectre had accomplished. and it's not out of his wrealm. if god says destroy everything, it would all be destroyed. so take it as you will. i dont' care enough about OPINIONS on omniverses and such to care. I just care what happened on panel.

Originally posted by fangirl101

no where in that cross over did it say that either was part of the other's omniverse

but if you take it that way fine

Posting without first reading the subject matter at hand.

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I think it's all right to be cool and have fun with it, (cross-overs)
but not to taken into consideration in a vs forum as a concrete piece of evidence.
Because,
issues like that are influenced by an outside factor like fan based complaisance.
Wanting to please both sides, and this imo,
is what leads to the disaster of Marvel/DC crossovers in particular.

(too many fans)

This is why we should keep debate feats withIN the sphere of the character's company.

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Furthermore,
the stories focus so much on the heroic/villainous aspect of the theme,
that Cosmological sense flies out the window.

Like this bit from JLA/Avengers cross-over:

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Polemachus is a whole Alternate Universe withIN the Prime Multiverse,

Qward is a whole Parallel Universe withIN the DC Multiverse.

"Another Universe, occupying the same Space,
but a different vibratory plane of reality"
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There's absolutely no way for these Two Realities to "share the same Space"
unless they're both located withIN the same Omniverse.

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BUT ...
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Isn't kinda eerily coincidental,
that DC's 52 Universes
are also separated by a vibratory plane withIN the same Space?

52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos,
the Earths will occupy the same Space,
each on a different vibrational plane"
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But I thought Polemachus (Marvel) & Qward (DC) shared the same Space on a different vibratory plane?

hm

This would suggest,
that Marvel & DC not ony share the same Omniverse,
but the same Multiverse too.

🤨

Or,
do these Two Universes not only "share the Space" in their respective Multiverses,
but outside that too?

Cool, but I'd just like to know what other Space does Polemachus occupy,
if it isn't a piece of Marvel's Omniverse or Multiverse (whatever one prefers)

Same goes for Qward on the DC side.

Where's the evidence that supports Polemachus occupying another Space
besides the Space it occupies withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse?

Which means one would have to prove there are Two Polemachuses,
One withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse,
and One withIN a mysterious area of Space where coincidentally Qward is a part of too.

You think you'll be able to? ❌
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Originally posted by fangirl101

any dc versal character can wipe out marvel as well.
next subject.
except we know in dc,
marvel artifacts don't have the same effects
and in marvel dc artifacts dont' have the same effect.
they have to be merged or in an inbetween place to work.

Please show us where this is stated and/or depicted.

Don't bother, it's Not true!

That arc took place withIN both realities,
because according to that garbage,
DC and Marvel share not only the same Omniverse,
but the same Multiverse too. dur

Originally posted by fangirl101

the celestial gaurdian cannot wipe out any dc universe as it's been proven marvel artifacts generally don't work. [/B]

So the IG represents all of Marvel's artifacts?

Anyway, if DC and Marvel share the SAME space as that cross-over suggests,
then Roma can erase DC,
because NO Universe in the Omniverse, is beyond the CN's reach:

"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE,
there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

Originally posted by fangirl101

not that i required your opinion on the matter.
all i did was give an example of what happened in the book and what the spectre did.

Originally posted by fangirl101

all of that when it doesn't matter

Originally posted by fangirl101

we know that the writers of both companies
generally think that omniverse is a term that all mediums share.

Hmm...

Marvel claims that TOAA created the Omniverse:

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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There we have Marvel's 2007-8 (BIO) definition of the Omniverse and TOAA!

Hmm ....

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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio concerning Marvel's Omniverse:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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And On Panel the Marvel Omniverse is also ARTISTICALLY depicted in Marvel comics:

(many times ... this is one)

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Exiles (May 2008)

It seems in May 2008 these insane writers of the Exiles
(amongst others like X-Men, Quasar, Earth X, Infinity Abyss, Avengers, FF and Marvel Handbooks)
still think there's a Marvel Omniverse:

"Some heroes protect cities, some countries, some Worlds,
but who's looking out for the ENITRE Omniverse? ...

... One band of heroes shouldered the weight of ALL Possible UniverseS"

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Meh, it's probably just talk.

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Until we see an artistic representation On Panel of the Omniverse they're taling about,
the Omniverse they transcend and protect on the very next page: (same issue May 2008)

"Behold Crosstime ... perhaps more properly known as the Omniverse.

An Infinite number of conceptual Alternatives for All the Worlds of Creation,
we're LOOKING at the variations of SOL III, (Earth-616) better known as the planet Earth,
from this perspective, THIS World looks very much like our own"

Hey look at that,
I guess there are variations of Earth 616 in DC too ey? 😂

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And this Marvel Bio corroborates that,
literally stating that Marvel's numerical system for realities,
directly applies to the Omniverse:

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(Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

Here are a few examples of Marvel's Core Continuum DesignationS:

"Crooked World - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-238"

"2020 - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-8410"

"Earth A - Core Continuum Designation: Earth-721"

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Originally posted by fangirl101

we also know that it doesn't matter how much shit the book is full of,
and there are many books full of shit,
the book is cannon and i merely stated the feat to which the spectre had accomplished.

If you concede, I'll concede.

Originally posted by fangirl101

and it's not out of his wrealm. if god says destroy everything,
it would all be destroyed. so take it as you will.
i dont' care enough about OPINIONS on omniverses and such to care.
I just care what happened on panel.

So this means Wanda tore DC to pieces, and remade it? 😬

I never seen some of those scans before? When was the Handbook for 2008 released?

Anyhow. Marvel seems to be more asware of what happen in their universe. Keeping the advance cosmology, not buffing random characters up for the fun of it. Though Quasada is quite scary, as he seems to have taken a liking to the cosmology and is about to make some adaptions.

PS: Did you get my PM?

Originally posted by Astner

I never seen some of those scans before?
When was the Handbook for 2008 released?

One in 2007 spring,
one in 2007 Summer,
one in 2007 Winter,
and three more single title Handbooks came out between late Nov. 07, and Jan 2008,
although those Nov. Dec. 07 issues were placed under the 2008 publication date.

Originally posted by Astner

Anyhow. Marvel seems to be more asware of what happen in their universe. Keeping the advance cosmology, not buffing random characters up for the fun of it. Though Quasada is quite scary, as he seems to have taken a liking to the cosmology and is about to make some adaptions.

Originally posted by Astner

PS: Did you get my PM?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Same ol, same ol ey?

Posting without first reading the subject matter at hand.

...........................................................................................

I think it's all right to be cool and have fun with it, (cross-overs)
but not to taken into consideration in a vs forum as a concrete piece of evidence.
Because,
issues like that are influenced by an outside factor like fan based complaisance.
Wanting to please both sides, and this imo,
is what leads to the disaster of Marvel/DC crossovers in particular.

(too many fans)

This is why we should keep debate feats withIN the sphere of the character's company.

...........................................................................................

Furthermore,
the stories focus so much on the heroic/villainous aspect of the theme,
that Cosmological sense flies out the window.

Like this bit from JLA/Avengers cross-over:

...........................................................................................

Polemachus is a whole Alternate Universe withIN the Prime Multiverse,

Qward is a whole Parallel Universe withIN the DC Multiverse.

"Another Universe, [B]occupying the same Space,
but a different vibratory plane of reality"
..................................................................................

There's absolutely no way for these Two Realities to "share the same Space"
unless they're both located withIN the same Omniverse.

..................................................................................

BUT ...
..................................................................................

Isn't kinda eerily coincidental,
that DC's 52 Universes
are also separated by a vibratory plane withIN the same Space?

52 identical Earths in 52 identical Cosmos,
the Earths will occupy the same Space,
each on a different vibrational plane"
..................................................................................

But I thought Polemachus (Marvel) & Qward (DC) shared the same Space on a different vibratory plane?

hm

This would suggest,
that Marvel & DC not ony share the same Omniverse,
but the same Multiverse too.

🤨

Or,
do these Two Universes not only "share the Space" in their respective Multiverses,
but outside that too?

Cool, but I'd just like to know what other Space does Polemachus occupy,
if it isn't a piece of Marvel's Omniverse or Multiverse (whatever one prefers)

Same goes for Qward on the DC side.

Where's the evidence that supports Polemachus occupying another Space
besides the Space it occupies withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse?

Which means one would have to prove there are Two Polemachuses,
One withIN the Prime Marvel Multiverse,
and One withIN a mysterious area of Space where coincidentally Qward is a part of too.

You think you'll be able to? ❌
..................................................................................

Oh, so now JLA/Avengers took place somewhere "in-between?"

Please show us where this is stated and/or depicted.

Don't bother, it's Not true!

That arc took place withIN both realities,
because according to that garbage,
DC and Marvel share not only the same Omniverse,
but the same Multiverse too. dur

Really? That's "proven?"

So the IG represents all of Marvel's artifacts?

Anyway, if DC and Marvel share the SAME space as that cross-over suggests,
then Roma can erase DC,
because NO Universe in the Omniverse, is beyond the CN's reach:

"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

"In ALL the OMNI-VERSE,
there is NOT ONE Universe that I cannot DESTROY at the Touch of a Switch"

Straight up and down,
that book is full of shit ... [/B]

Originally posted by fangirl101

reposting stuff over and over does what? use more bandwith?
I don't care about all of that.

The feat you're tagging the Spectre with came from that stuff you don't care about.

Originally posted by fangirl101

as I said, the spectre over came the power of the objects in the story.

all this other smoke and mirrors is nonsense
and has nothing to do with spectre's feat.

so Wanda (amongst others in Marvel) tore DC to pieces and remade it.

And any Marvel Celestial Guardian can erase DC with the flick of a switch.

👆 Just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

I'm actually enjoying this idea of yours nvr,
this places several Marvel characters over the top in feats. 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
4 new editions were released.

One in 2007 spring,
one in 2007 Summer,
one in 2007 Winter,
and three more single title Handbooks came out between late Nov. 07, and Jan 2008,
although those Nov. Dec. 07 issues were placed under the 2008 publication date.

Yea, I was gonna hit you back,
I was wondering, what Eternity scan were you talking about too?

It seemed kinda sweet, and with some photoshopping it would make an awesome wallpaper (desk top.)

Originally posted by Astner
Where can I get these handbooks? It's a bit different in Sweden. I live in the second largest city and we have one (serious) comicbook store. I asked them but they said that they didn't know what I was talking about 😆 .
Chance that I might find them on ebay, are they specific (separate) books. Or simply at the end of some issues?

Originally posted by Astner

Oh, that. I was refering to this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That suff you don't care about states that DC and Marvel share the same Multiverse. 😆

The feat you're tagging the Spectre with came from that stuff you don't care about.

Cool,

so Wanda (amongst others in Marvel) tore DC to pieces and remade it.

And any Marvel Celestial Guardian can erase DC with the flick of a switch.

👆 Just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

I'm actually enjoying this idea of yours nvr,
this places several Marvel characters over the top in feats. 😄

it would place the spectre, who merged and became everything, lucifer and mike who are above the spectre, new earth mxy, who destroyed everything, parallax who wiped away everything, the am who destroyed everything but 5 DC universes, all rediculously powerful as well. no where in the story does it say they exist in the same wrealm. roma hasn't destroyed any dc universe on panel, until she does, her crystal matrix means crack. it didn't forge the universes as such. all of the smoke and mirrors you come up with is for the weak minded and fanboys of marvel. the story stands. the spectre over came the power of the combined artifacts. what is so hard to understand about that? the lt could do the same. it's not worth trying to debunk.

Originally posted by fangirl101
reposting stuff over and over does what? use more bandwith? I don't care about all of that. as I said, the spectre over came the power of the objects in the story. all this other smoke and mirrors is nonsense and has nothing to do with spectre's feat.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That suff you don't care about states that DC and Marvel share the same Multiverse. 😆

The feat you're tagging the Spectre with came from that stuff you don't care about.

Cool,

so Wanda (amongst others in Marvel) tore DC to pieces and remade it.

And any Marvel Celestial Guardian can erase DC with the flick of a switch.

👆 Just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

I'm actually enjoying this idea of yours nvr,
this places several Marvel characters over the top in feats. 😄

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig didnt even work in the dcu. 😂 Real hard to overcome that.

Originally posted by fangirl101
it would place the spectre, who merged and became everything, lucifer and mike who are above the spectre, new earth mxy, who destroyed everything, parallax who wiped away everything, the am who destroyed everything but 5 DC universes, all rediculously powerful as well. no where in the story does it say they exist in the same wrealm. roma hasn't destroyed any dc universe on panel, until she does, her crystal matrix means crack. it didn't forge the universes as such. all of the smoke and mirrors you come up with is for the weak minded and fanboys of marvel. the story stands. the spectre over came the power of the combined artifacts. what is so hard to understand about that? the lt could do the same. it's not worth trying to debunk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig didnt even work in the dcu. 😂 Real hard to overcome that.

it was a merged reality at that point, all artifacts worked. and when the merging happened, it happened from the marvel u where the grandmaster used the artifacts. nice try. it failed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
it was a merged reality at that point, all artifacts worked. and when the merging happened, it happened from the marvel u where the grandmaster used the artifacts. nice try. it failed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said once new earths mxy is omniversal? If this is true why are there more than one? There is only one Lt. He isnt omniversal and you have no proof of that whatsoever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didnt have it in his possession. Scans? Ill look it up myself as I know you wont post a scan.

Originally posted by fangirl101
you mean like i didn't post scans in the xmen wonder woman debate? your on ignore.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Wow according to his logic many marvel characters can simply erase dcu.